Test Australian squad for The Subcontinent

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Usually Warner gets inked into overseas tours on the back of a dominant home Test season on our roads. He was not great v India and scratchy v the Poms enjoying some slices of luck. He will be missing the roads he used to thrive on.

His record overseas is very ordinary and has been for a long period.

Unfortunately I think he will go but Bailey and Dodders will certainly question his position in the squad.

I see no basis for the selection of white ball specialists like Maxwell, Agar and M Marsh.

Warner's credits in the banks and questions over Puc whilst the next in line (Street, Hunt) may need to back up this years form with another dominant shield season. Marcus Harris won't be dropped off the planet either.

Davy probably sees the next Aussie summer unless he falls off a cliff substantially

 

[Redline]

What's a realistic expectation for our 10 tests in the Sub continent in 2022 ?

I can't see us playing ten. I think there will be a change. History says we play as little test Cricket as possible unless it's against England or India.

 

[frankrizzo]

What's a realistic expectation for our 10 tests in the Sub continent in 2022 ?

Maybe draw in Sl and competitive losses vs india and pakistan, with smith forms going downhill rapidly we aint winning a series in asia with our batting though.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Maybe draw in Sl and competitive losses vs india and pakistan, with smith forms going downhill rapidly we aint winning a series in asia with our batting though.

Rate us more in Pakistan assuming the pitches suit their quicks too.

 

[Blue1980]

So the Indian series has definitely been postponed to next year by the sounds? How about the Afghanistan game?

Where you hear that? Afghanistan I imagine no go, but India series surely going ahead.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Warner's credits in the banks and questions over Puc whilst the next in line (Street, Hunt) may need to back up this years form with another dominant shield season. Marcus Harris won't be dropped off the planet either.

Davy probably sees the next Aussie summer unless he falls off a cliff substantially

He is in deficit at the overseas tour bank.

Oz has been poor overseas for 5 or 6 years. His ongoing failures are a factor. Of course he will go but he is not nor should be an automatic selection.

 

[melanChronic]

Where you hear that? Afghanistan I imagine no go, but India series surely going ahead.

In Cummins' post match press conference he talked about the India series being 'next year'.

 

[Nuggetz]

He is in deficit at the overseas tour bank.

Oz has been poor overseas for 5 or 6 years. His ongoing failures are a factor. Of course he will go but he is not nor should be an automatic selection.

Australia literally don't have any other openers, they used Khawaja who plays in the middle order to replace Marcus Harris. You aren't going to blood a new/young opener on a subcontinent tour from the outset. Warner has plenty of credits in the bank. He is an automatic selection and rightly so.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Australia literally don't have any other openers, they used Khawaja who plays in the middle order to replace Marcus Harris. You aren't going to blood a new/young opener on a subcontinent tour from the outset. Warner has plenty of credits in the bank. He is an automatic selection and rightly so.

That comes back to this summer a bit we wasted 4 tests before finally booting Harris, everyone could have told you that before Brisbane he was not good enough. However you are right it's likely our openers there will be Khawaja and Warner

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Australia literally don't have any other openers, they used Khawaja who plays in the middle order to replace Marcus Harris. You aren't going to blood a new/young opener on a subcontinent tour from the outset. Warner has plenty of credits in the bank. He is an automatic selection and rightly so.

I assume you follow white ball cricket or shuffleboard.

 

[frankrizzo]

Rate us more in Pakistan assuming the pitches suit their quicks too.

Pakistan are a damn good side right now, sl are still the weakest of the 3 and its more conditions we have to overcome with pakistan and india its conditions and two good test sides we have to overcome.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Pakistan are a damn good side right now, sl are still the weakest of the 3 and its more conditions we have to overcome with pakistan and india its conditions and two good test sides we have to overcome.

They are but Pakistan pitches suit their quicks too.

 

[Cainozz]

I'd be more inclined to think we'd do okayish in Pakistan as their conditions are slightly more suited to fast bowling than turning decks. The question remains how many players will actually make the trip or will we be significantly weakened? If we can somehow win that series or atleast draw 1-1 I'd be extremely happy.

SL - they're a young developing side but in no way will it be easy. Can picture it now, them debuting a young spinner who we've never heard of and them ripping right through our line-up. I hope again we'd atleast break even in that series.

India - They have issues themselves with the batting department. Let's hope they keep Pujara and Rahane in the team ahead of guys who'd be hungry to make some success like Iyer & Gill. I'd love to see us winning a series in India but it will require every member of the team and good squad depth to pull a rabit out of the hat. We were so close in 2017 - we had peak Smith producing freakish innings. We will need a performance like that again or we will likely be bundled out for 200 every innings.

 

[Cainozz]

I can't see us playing ten. I think there will be a change. History says we play as little test Cricket as possible unless it's against England or India.

Isn't this the truth. So devastated when they cancelled the tour to SA last March. The Pakistan tour is extremely optimistic and I'll be pleasantly surprised if it goes ahead without a last minute ditch from CA. I really hope test cricket doesn't become this - I'm so bored of the Indians and english.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I am curious that a number of posters are including Maxwell in their squads and XI's.

I thought his window of opportunity for Test cricket had long closed. It is all a bit sad as he arguably should have been given a go in Australia. I would not be surprised if he opts out of the Shield program. I expect Fink will not play Shield.

Henriques and M Marsh are two names also referenced.

Henriques was included in the squad for the doomed SA Tour and I guess he will also feature in selection discussions. He has also toured in the subi-con before and was not a disaster in India. He is my smoky to cover for Green.

Marsh averages 22 from 9 Tests and 18 knocks in Asia. Does a bit better in UAE and is just funny in India.

 

[Voice of the G]

I am curious that a number of posters are including Maxwell in their squads and XI's.

I thought his window of opportunity for Test cricket had long closed. It is all a bit sad as he arguably should have been given a go in Australia. I would not be surprised if he opts out of the Shield program. I expect Fink will not play Shield.

Henriques and M Marsh are two names also referenced.

Henriques was included in the squad for the doomed SA Tour and I guess he will also feature in selection discussions. He has also toured in the subi-con before and was not a disaster in India. He is my smoky to cover for Green.

Marsh averages 22 from 9 Tests and 18 knocks in Asia. Does a bit better in UAE and is just funny in India.

I have said a number of times that Maxwell should have played more test cricket then he has with his talent and at times harshly done by because they know how important he is for white ball cricket for Australia.Perhaps he is being mentioned again by others because of that innings the other night.He will not be selected for Pakistan but India perhaps yes and Chris Rogers idea of him opening as a batsman is not as silly as it sounds.Currently we have the best bowling attack in the world but the attack will be a little different in India I would think and a 2nd spinner might be in or if Maxwell;s selected his spin bowling could be handy as well.

 

[The Passenger]

I assume you follow white ball cricket or shuffleboard.

Anyone who doesn't think Warner is a lock for selection is just being deluded. He wasn't dropped by the end of the '19 Ashes and our opening stocks have somehow gone down further from there.

The only thing that will stop him playing the first test in Pakistan is injury or if it doesn't go ahead.

Will he continue to be a lock for selection if that series and subsequent series go the way things did in the '19 Ashes? Probably not. To be fair, if he can't get past, say, 30 in the Pakistan series I think then there will be questions about whether he should still be in the team on away tours. A lot of that will depend on the development of Hunt or Street or the health of Pucovski (see last paragraph).

But he will be playing the first test and you won't even see his selection queried in the media coming into the series. That matters because almost anytime a senior player is possibly going to get dropped that gets leaked to the media to soften the public perception. Same reason there was talk that Khawaja might get dropped after Sydney - if they stuck with Harris they wanted the public to have had a bit of pre-warning they might be dropping a guy who just tonned up twice.

FTR I totally agree with your assertion that his performances away from home have not been good enough. His away average of 27 since March 2016 is really poor and clear proof that he is the definitive flat track bully. But you know what the problem is? The only guys who have averaged more are Khawaja (76 but only a 2-test sample size and he will be lining up alongside Warner), Finch (45 but again only 2 tests and he won't be playing test cricket again) or SMarsh (39 but again only 3 tests and he won't be playing test cricket again).

So to drop Warner you need to bring in openers who have performed worse overseas (Bancroft, Harris or Renshaw - the latter isn't even opening anymore), a debutant in the subcontinent (Hunt or Street) which is a huge gamble or fast track a concussion prone youngster (Pucovski) back into the XI which is probably an even bigger gamble.

 

[Voice of the G]

Anyone who doesn't think Warner is a lock for selection is just being deluded. He wasn't dropped by the end of the '19 Ashes and our opening stocks have somehow gone down further from there.

The only thing that will stop him playing the first test in Pakistan is injury or if it doesn't go ahead.

Will he continue to be a lock for selection if that series and subsequent series go the way things did in the '19 Ashes? Probably not. To be fair, if he can't get past, say, 30 in the Pakistan series I think then there will be questions about whether he should still be in the team on away tours. A lot of that will depend on the development of Hunt or Street or the health of Pucovski (see last paragraph).

But he will be playing the first test and you won't even see his selection queried in the media (which are always leaked by selectors to soften the public reaction when a player may be dropped unexpectedly) coming into the series.

FTR I totally agree with your assertion that his performances away from home have not been good enough. His away average of 27 since March 2016 is really poor and clear proof that he is the definitive flat track bully. But you know what the problem is? The only guys who have averaged more are Khawaja (76 but only a 2-test sample size and he will be lining up alongside Warner), Finch (45 but again only 2 tests and he won't be playing test cricket again) or SMarsh (39 but again only 3 tests and he won't be playing test cricket again).

So to drop Warner you need to bring in openers who have performed worse overseas (Bancroft, Harris or Renshaw - the latter isn't even opening anymore), a debutant in the subcontinent (Hunt or Street) which is a huge gamble or fast track a concussion prone youngster (Pucovski) back into the XI which is probably an even bigger gamble.

The wild card for India as a opener and does not open any more other then this T20 crap and not played red ball cricket for 3 years is Maxi.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Pucovski isn't really a gamble. He deserves a spot if there's one

Anyone can play poorly or get an injury

 

[Voice of the G]

Pucovski isn't really a gamble. He deserves a spot if there's one

Anyone can play poorly or get an injury

Interesting times ahead with selections especially the tour of India if it happens.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Pucovski isn't really a gamble. He deserves a spot if there's one

Anyone can play poorly or get an injury

It’s a massive gamble as he’s played no cricket and has shown zero continuity

 

[Marcel Proust]

It’s a massive gamble as he’s played no cricket and has shown zero continuity

Yet he won a spot previously showing he is good enough at domestic level.

 

[The Passenger]

The wild card for India as a opener and does not open any more other then this T20 crap and not played red ball cricket for 3 years is Maxi.

It would be pretty wild.

Can't see it happening.

It's the sort of decision that gets people fired if it goes wrong.

Pucovski isn't really a gamble. He deserves a spot if there's one

Anyone can play poorly or get an injury

Gamble was probably too harsh a word. But I think they'll take the slow patient route with him. He's probably the most important piece of our long term batting puzzle.

 

[reggie]

We've laughed at England all summer for their awful selections based on warped theories and yet so many people here are pushing for us to pick a guy who has barely played first class cricket in years and has one score above 45 in 14 test innings on the subcontinent

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yet he won a spot previously showing he is good enough at domestic level.

Never said he wasn’t good enough I just wouldn’t play him for 12 months till he shows continuous form and not getting hit in the head is one thing