Australian t20I side 2020

[LukeParkerno1]

I couldn't justify picking a bloke like Ferguson over him. His international career has been very ordinary thus far but I do feel like he's worth picking.

And 100% he is IMO.

It’s not just Ferguson I’d pick over him. Just don’t see the point of a worker in a t20 really just get another hitter in there

 

[Aussie_boy]

It’s not just Ferguson I’d pick over him. Just don’t see the point of a worker in a t20 really just get another hitter in there

Who else is there though? I'd still be picking Lynn over blokes like Turner and McDermott.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

His IPL record is pretty good and with so much talent at picking up singles where the bigger hitters play around him, I'd prefer Smith (a proven international performer) being the mainstay in the middle order than someone who is unproven in that role. To me, he's the most important player in our line-up (batting 3-4) if we have a rush of top order wickets falling.

Just don’t think we need Smith in t20’s. I know this won’t be popular. Someone like a Mitch Marsh for instance could tap it around but go really big at the end. Just using him as an example.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Who else is there though? I'd still be picking Lynn over blokes like Turner and McDermott.

Ferguson, Mitch Marsh, Weatherald, Head, etc

I’ve seen this Lynn script enough he’s awful at playing spin. International sides know how to get him easily.

 

[Caesar]

Can anyone fill me in on why Smith is suddenly a lock? I don't really keep in the loop regarding T20, but I was under the impression that he wasn't considered a top player in that format.

While we're on the topic, is there a T20 crash-course anywhere? I don't really understand T20 stats (e.g. what's a good balance of strike rate v average), let alone more complicated stuff like tactics and team roles. It all seems very different from one-day matches.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Can anyone fill me in on why Smith is suddenly a lock? I don't really keep in the loop regarding T20, but I was under the impression that he wasn't considered a top player in that format.

While we're on the topic, is there a T20 crash-course anywhere? I don't really understand T20 stats (e.g. what's a good balance of strike rate v average), let alone more complicated stuff like tactics and team roles. It all seems very different from one-day matches.

I’ve gone off 120-130 being a par minimum in terms of a top 4 bat in t20

 

[Hamingja]

While we're on the topic, is there a T20 crash-course anywhere? I don't really understand T20 stats (e.g. what's a good balance of strike rate v average), let alone more complicated stuff like tactics and team roles. It all seems very different from one-day matches.

Hussey was saying on the coverage the other night if average + strike rate = 160 you've got a good player.

So an opener might go at 35 average and 125 strike rate and someone down the order might have an average of 20 and a strike rate of 140 or something like that. Seems a decent guide.

 

[Scorpus]

Ashton Agar's having a pretty ordinary season in the BBL. Is he first picked as a spinning all-rounder?

But then you look at who has been bowling well and not many all-rounder capable spinners pop up. Do we go with a quick all-rounder instead and use Maxwell as second spinner if needed?

 

[eth-dog]

Ashton Agar's having a pretty ordinary season in the BBL. Is he first picked as a spinning all-rounder?

But then you look at who has been bowling well and not many all-rounder capable spinners pop up. Do we go with a quick all-rounder instead and use Maxwell as second spinner if needed?

Agar is the best short form spinner in the country

 

[Cainozz]

Can anyone fill me in on why Smith is suddenly a lock? I don't really keep in the loop regarding T20, but I was under the impression that he wasn't considered a top player in that format.

While we're on the topic, is there a T20 crash-course anywhere? I don't really understand T20 stats (e.g. what's a good balance of strike rate v average), let alone more complicated stuff like tactics and team roles. It all seems very different from one-day matches.

If this tournament were in India or England on post stamp sized grounds I'd agree, just pick the big hitters. However, I feel like you need a solid player in the middle order (like Smith) to control the tempo of an innings and let the bigger hitters around him play their natural game. Smith easily is our best player when it comes to changing gears through an innings. Bigger Australian grounds means there are plenty of 2's on offer and they can be so valuable in T20's. Smith along with Warner are our best runners between the wickets. Ashton Turner has been a brilliant example of this for the Scorchers the last couple of years, he'd hit more 2's and play more orthodox shots without slogging from ball 1 and scoring boundaries.

I feel that will be the difference in this World Cup, it's going to be harder for those teams who solely rely on big hitters (e.g. Windies). Can see either one of India (Kohli @3), New Zealand (Williamson @3) or Australia (Smith @3) having big world cups with their style of play.

 

[carnthemlions]

Agar is the best short form spinner in the country

In current form Maxwell would be a better 2nd spinner. Agar's bowled complete rubbish in the BBL and if his current batting form continues Starc would be more reliable. Of course BBL form doesn't matter all that much etc but he's been seriously bad.

I couldn't justify picking a bloke like Ferguson over him. His international career has been very ordinary thus far but I do feel like he's worth picking.

And 100% he is IMO.

I agree that Lynn's worth picking but the spin issue is a massive concern.

 

[Caesar]

If this tournament were in India or England on post stamp sized grounds I'd agree, just pick the big hitters. However, I feel like you need a solid player in the middle order (like Smith) to control the tempo of an innings and let the bigger hitters around him play their natural game. Smith easily is our best player when it comes to changing gears through an innings. Bigger Australian grounds means there are plenty of 2's on offer and they can be so valuable in T20's. Smith along with Warner are our best runners between the wickets. Ashton Turner has been a brilliant example of this for the Scorchers the last couple of years, he'd hit more 2's and play more orthodox shots without slogging from ball 1 and scoring boundaries.

I feel that will be the difference in this World Cup, it's going to be harder for those teams who solely rely on big hitters (e.g. Windies). Can see either one of India (Kohli @3), New Zealand (Williamson @3) or Australia (Smith @3) having big world cups with their style of play.

Thanks, that's really informative and makes sense.

Are there any other selection rules of thumb that are becoming established in T20? I am mostly used to the unlimited overs way of thinking - you need to bat down to seven, and if you don't have a true fifth bowler you probably need a couple of decent part-timers.

I remember when T20 first started, there was some thoughts that teams wouldn't need to bat as long as other formats and might be able to afford a specialist wicket-keeper. There was also speculation that teams would be go with all-pace attacks. Am I correct to say neither of those have panned out?

Does a team generally hope to get all their runs out of their top six, or does finishing your innings 4 down mean you've underutilised your resources?

Sorry for all the questions. Despite watching a little bit of BBL I am genuinely clueless about this format.

 

[Kyptastic]

Thanks, that's really informative and makes sense.

Are there any other selection rules of thumb that are becoming established in T20? I am mostly used to the unlimited overs way of thinking - you need to bat down to seven, and if you don't have a true fifth bowler you probably need a couple of decent part-timers.

I remember when T20 first started, there was some thoughts that teams wouldn't need to bat as long as other formats and might be able to afford a specialist wicket-keeper. There was also speculation that teams would be go with all-pace attacks. Am I correct to say neither of those have panned out?

Does a team generally hope to get all their runs out of their top six, or does finishing your innings 4 down mean you've underutilised your resources?

Sorry for all the questions. Despite watching a little bit of BBL I am genuinely clueless about this format.

The Cricket monthly did a really good series about the different styles of team that get picked for T20 - http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1170636/the-six-hitting-team (scroll to the bottom for the other 5 articles)

 

[Yoda_]

Hussey was saying on the coverage the other night if average + strike rate = 160 you've got a good player.

So an opener might go at 35 average and 125 strike rate and someone down the order might have an average of 20 and a strike rate of 140 or something like that. Seems a decent guide.

If that’s the case
Smith averages 27.47 with the bat and a strike rate of 128.79 = 156.26

Close enough to that magic number people like


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[Yoda_]

If this tournament were in India or England on post stamp sized grounds I'd agree, just pick the big hitters. However, I feel like you need a solid player in the middle order (like Smith) to control the tempo of an innings and let the bigger hitters around him play their natural game. Smith easily is our best player when it comes to changing gears through an innings. Bigger Australian grounds means there are plenty of 2's on offer and they can be so valuable in T20's. Smith along with Warner are our best runners between the wickets. Ashton Turner has been a brilliant example of this for the Scorchers the last couple of years, he'd hit more 2's and play more orthodox shots without slogging from ball 1 and scoring boundaries.

I feel that will be the difference in this World Cup, it's going to be harder for those teams who solely rely on big hitters (e.g. Windies). Can see either one of India (Kohli @3), New Zealand (Williamson @3) or Australia (Smith @3) having big world cups with their style of play.

That is why the selection of Ferguson in my squad/team makes sense. May be older but a wise head who seems comfortable with his game. Ditto Moises Henriques who has gears to up the tenpo


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[Yoda_]

Thanks, that's really informative and makes sense.

Are there any other selection rules of thumb that are becoming established in T20? I am mostly used to the unlimited overs way of thinking - you need to bat down to seven, and if you don't have a true fifth bowler you probably need a couple of decent part-timers.

I remember when T20 first started, there was some thoughts that teams wouldn't need to bat as long as other formats and might be able to afford a specialist wicket-keeper. There was also speculation that teams would be go with all-pace attacks. Am I correct to say neither of those have panned out?

Does a team generally hope to get all their runs out of their top six, or does finishing your innings 4 down mean you've underutilised your resources?

Sorry for all the questions. Despite watching a little bit of BBL I am genuinely clueless about this format.

Something that’s crept into the BBL this year is that tail generally starts at 7, not 8 like tests/FC does. Sure guys like Coulter - Nile, Daniel Sams can hit a long ball but they aren’t true all founders like Shane Lee, James Hopes, Dan Christian all of yesteryear.


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[Yoda_]

and Smith being a lock may have something to do with averaging 48 at 151 (s/r) when batting at 3. with a meaningul score (100 strike rate &/or 30+ runs) in every innings batted at 3 bar 2/9.

 

[Caesar]

and Smith being a lock may have something to do with averaging 48 at 151 (s/r) when batting at 3. with a meaningul score (100 strike rate &/or 30+ runs) in every innings batted at 3 bar 2/9.

That sounds pretty good. Why was he out of the team for so long then? Did he make himself ineligible for a period?

 

[Millky95]

That sounds pretty good. Why was he out of the team for so long then? Did he make himself ineligible for a period?

We had a lot of T20I series happening as the test side needed to move to another country to prep for the tour

I'd play Smith at 3. Finch and Warner as power openers and when Smith comes out, tell him to rotate the strike and not go out. Can hit plenty of boundaries in that time. Timing and shot placement is better than power hitting for 6s

 

[Yoda_]

That sounds pretty mentagood. Why was he out of the team for so long then? Did he make himself ineligible for a period?

From what I remember, Cricket Australia didn't take T20i cricket nearly as seriously as we should have. Often playing mediocre or younger cricketers to give them a taste of international cricket (see James Muirhead, see Nathan Reardon, see Ben Dunk)

A real change in mentality has seen our best cricketers want, and get to play all forms of the game.

 

[Scorpus]

Agar is the best short form spinner in the country

Not on current form. Done nothing with the bat, isn't taking wickets and his economy rate is 8.7

 

[Yoda_]

Not on current form. Done nothing with the bat, isn't taking wickets and his economy rate is 8.7

Lloyd Pope and his beautiful red locks are going great guns just quietly. That wrong un' is bamboozling even the best players of spin. A real smoky if he keeps this sort of form up

 

[Yoda_]

Not on current form. Done nothing with the bat, isn't taking wickets and his economy rate is 8.7

We either need to get more spin overs from Maxi (or someone else, Labushagne if he comes in, Warner or Smith/Finch) and go with another quick or our tail would become infinitely longer because Zampa is here to stay. Is still the second best T20i bowler in the world iirc at the moment and a lock for our side. Agar provides (more often than not) tight bowling whilst some sort of ability at 7/8/9 with the bat.

 

[juss]

Left field

Warner
Finch
Smith
Maxwell
Carey
Lynn (I'm putting him in as the late order hitter as one of the best strikers in the game)
Cummins
Pattinson
Zampa
Starc
K Richardson

It's batsman heavy and light on spin, but I'd back this side to chase down most targets and set some big ones.
A lot falls on Zampa and Maxwell to bowl tidily as spinners.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

One of the issues we have with BBL dominators like Lynn and Short - is as soon as they come across top class spin bowlers from overseas - they go to water.

It's a pity Agar has fallen off a cliff - because he had the ability to be the perfect number 7 which allows you to have 5 genuine bowlers.

For mine - the most important part if securing 5 frontline bowlers. Using Marsh/Stoinis/Maxwell et all to find 4 overs is asking for trouble.

It's also a pity Dorff is unfit. On Australian wickets bowling 3 off the reel in the PP - he has been as good as there is in Australia