Australian Touring Squad for India

[roscreasl98]

Shaun Marsh 100% deserves selection. The two biggest mistakes with this squad are Maxwell and Swepson.

S. Marsh's been poor lately (yeah I know its only BBL, but he opens and gets a full 20 overs to face).
His test form prior to that was ok.
But I'd say an injury on this tour, and it's curtains for him.

Maxwell's on his last chance, that's for sure.

Swepson's a look into the future, reckon its a great selection.

 

[MALTSY]

The level of mouthbreathing on here about Shaun Marsh is pretty staggering. In the face of all reason and statistics, yet there's still many who hang onto their initial observations in a series five years ago. Quoting BBL scores is hilarious given all the muppetry about him being picked for tests off the back of one day form.



There is a reasonable argument that we'd be better off trying Faulkner than Mitch Marsh given he's had a horror time of it with the bat of late (well other than BBL form, but that doesn't count when it's in his favour right?). But lol regarding the populist argument for Head and Sayers, there is literally no point in Sayers going other than to continue his form as a drinks mixer. Bird has claimed his rightful spot as the third seamer and it'd be highly unlikely even he will feature a role in the series unless there's an injury to Starc/Hazlewood.

Geez...you need some educating about fast bowling mate.
Sayers and Bird are very different bowlers. Have you seen Bird swing the ball lately? I like Bird but without bounce he will be gobbled up.
Sayers would have been touring if he had been selected to play a test on home soil and was able to prove himself. I still can't believe he wasn't given an opportunity.
I struggle to see how you could lol at the thought of Head being selected.

 

[eth-dog]

S. Marsh's been poor lately (yeah I know its only BBL, but he opens and gets a full 20 overs to face).
His test form prior to that was ok.
But I'd say an injury on this tour, and it's curtains for him.

Maxwell's on his last chance, that's for sure.

Swepson's a look into the future, reckon its a great selection.

Shaun Marsh has more tons in the sub continent than anyone in Australian FC cricket currently. Absolutely deserves selection.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I reckon Faulkner is a decent bat. He has a solid defence which he doesn't demonstrate enough in the hit and giggle nonsense he is always asked to play. All of his best shield innings have come with his team in crisis and have been long and stodgy. His 87 in a shield final against Harris and hopes was key in TAS eventually winning that.

I agree he hasn't played enough in the top order to be selected at 6, but he could be selected at 7. And I believe he is good enough to bat 6, but needs some time to play there in the shield first.

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That's where I disagree, I don't feel Faulkner is near a test quality number 6, even 7 is pushing it. We haven't seen him do it enough with the bat. 1 Shield hundred isn't what I'd be calling a test number 6.

I think his bowling would be very handy over there but lets cut to the chase Starc and Halewood are better. He's not replacing those two barring injury, and Bird has had a good summer as the 3rd seamer. We are playing two spinners.

Maxwell is probably the most "top 6" batsman material. Agar and MMarsh are number 7/8's, more likely number 8's. Faulkner isn't much better than those two with the bat.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I struggle to see how you could lol at the thought of Head being selected.

You seen him attempt to play spin? It makes Khawaja look positively brilliant against spin. For a bloke who bowls some spin, he looks clueless against the spinners. You know a batsman is struggling against spin when his go to show is the slog sweep/sweep.

I don't feel Head is near ready. Will play in the future, but Maxwell is the better option right now.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

That's where I disagree, I don't feel Faulkner is near a test quality number 6, even 7 is pushing it. We haven't seen him do it enough with the bat. 1 Shield hundred isn't what I'd be calling a test number 6.

I think his bowling would be very handy over there but lets cut to the chase Starc and Halewood are better. He's not replacing those two barring injury, and Bird has had a good summer as the 3rd seamer. We are playing two spinners.

Maxwell is probably the most "top 6" batsman material. Agar and MMarsh are number 7/8's, more likely number 8's. Faulkner isn't much better than those two with the bat.

Except that Hohns made it clear MMarsh this tour was selected as a bowling all rounder, so no6 would have seemed unlikely. That makes Faulkner a possibility as he'd be the same. No8 bowling allrounder.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Except that Hohns made it clear MMarsh this tour was selected as a bowling all rounder, so no6 would have seemed unlikely. That makes Faulkner a possibility as he'd be the same. No8 bowling allrounder.

Just don't see the point as Starc is basically one and OKeefe has multiple FC 50's. Bird is on the squad if we need another quick.

Personally I'd be picking another pure bat- not sure who but that's the way I'd go.

 

[roscreasl98]

Shaun Marsh has more tons in the sub continent than anyone in Australian FC cricket currently. Absolutely deserves selection.

Sure. Can he see a whole series through though????

 

[eth-dog]

Sure. Can he see a whole series through though????

We don't know but to not select our best bat in Asia when he is fit would just be stupid.

 

[PhatBoy]

Sure. Can he see a whole series through though????

In his defence his last injury was a busted finger so he can hardly be blamed for that. And he's not like Nasser Hussain (nicknamed Pappadum Fingers apparently) who suffered the injury multiple times because he played with very low hands

 

[Sando22]

You seen him attempt to play spin? It makes Khawaja look positively brilliant against spin.

Truth.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Swepson selection is a good one. No harm in him touring. And is probably 5th in line to play behind Lyon, Okeefe, Agar and Maxwell.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Given the squad it look like we have 2 options for a test X1

Option 1 - average indian pitch - not a raging dust bwl

Warner
Renshaw
Khawaja/Marsh
Smith
Handscomb
Maxwell
Wade
O'Keefe
Starc
Hazelwood
Lyon

Would see Maxwell perhaps toss down a few tight overs to rest the other spinners.


Option 2 - raging turner

Warner
Renshaw
Khawaja/Marsh
Smith
Handscomb
M Marsh
Wade
Agar
O'Keefe
Starc/Hazelwood
Lyon

Would see Mitch Marsh open the bowling and that's about it.

Mind you - put me in the camp that wouldn't mind seeing a specialist bat at 6 in lieu of Marsh and have Wade open the bowling and Handscomb keep.

 

[eth-dog]

Swepson selection is a good one. No harm in him touring. And is probably 5th in line to play behind Lyon, Okeefe, Agar and Maxwell.

Would have been better if he were playing for Queensland in Shield cricket IMO. What do everyone think the practice game XI will be? I'd be going with:

Renshaw
S Marsh
Khawaja
Handscomb
Wade (+, c)
Maxwell (for the lols)
M Marsh
Agar
O'Keefe
Starc
Bird

The top 3 are essentially competing for the openers and #3 spot (if Renshaw outperforms Khawaja Marsh bats 3), Maxwell and Marsh are competing for the allrounder spot, Agar and O'Keefe for the second spinner spot and Starc and Bird competing for the second seamer spot.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Swepson is mainly a developmental pick, I don't mind it.

And Maxwell may surprise if given a shot, I firmly believe that. Has the skill set to succeed in India (not many do). Whether his mindset will allow it is the question.

 

[Kram]

I don't at all mind giving Maxwell a go but if he tries a reverse sweep or whatever else dumb s**t he has in his bag of 'tricks' he should be sent on the first plane home and told he is never playing for Australia again.

 

[PhatBoy]

I don't at all mind giving Maxwell a go but if he tries a reverse sweep or whatever else dumb s**t he has in his bag of 'tricks' he should be sent on the first plane home and told he is never playing for Australia again.

Fair enough in theory but if someone gets out trying to play a back foot cover drive - one of the toughest shots to play properly, they aren't going to get dropped. Likewise someone playing a hook off their eyebrows (unless they're a hilditch and doing it for the 50th time). I don't see why a reverse sweep - a reasonable common shot these days - should be any different.

 

[carnthemlions]

I reckon Faulkner is a decent bat. He has a solid defence which he doesn't demonstrate enough in the hit and giggle nonsense he is always asked to play. All of his best shield innings have come with his team in crisis and have been long and stodgy. His 87 in a shield final against Harris and hopes was key in TAS eventually winning that.

I agree he hasn't played enough in the top order to be selected at 6, but he could be selected at 7. And I believe he is good enough to bat 6, but needs some time to play there in the shield first.

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I think he's a pretty limited long form batsman. Can hang around, but the problem is that he only scores in certain areas and is therefore easy to put pressure on. Would be found out at test level.

Geez...you need some educating about fast bowling mate.
Sayers and Bird are very different bowlers. Have you seen Bird swing the ball lately? I like Bird but without bounce he will be gobbled up.
Sayers would have been touring if he had been selected to play a test on home soil and was able to prove himself. I still can't believe he wasn't given an opportunity.
I struggle to see how you could lol at the thought of Head being selected.

Not really sure why people are keen on Sayers in India. Can swing it, but when there's not a lot of movement he's essentially limited to bowling long spells of sub 130 military mediums.

Except that Hohns made it clear MMarsh this tour was selected as a bowling all rounder, so no6 would have seemed unlikely.

* that's even worse. The fruitless search for an all-rounder is bad enough, going down the the England road of picking several bit-part players will be disastrous.

 

[iluvparis]

Fair enough in theory but if someone gets out trying to play a back foot cover drive - one of the toughest shots to play properly, they aren't going to get dropped. Likewise someone playing a hook off their eyebrows (unless they're a hilditch and doing it for the 50th time). I don't see why a reverse sweep - a reasonable common shot these days - should be any different.

It's not a reasonably common shot in tests.

 

[PhatBoy]

It's not a reasonably common shot in tests.

It is for many players. Duminy plays it heaps, Younis Khan plays it heaps, De Villiers plays it heaps. Du plessis from memory does too.

 

[eth-dog]

I think he's a pretty limited long form batsman. Can hang around, but the problem is that he only scores in certain areas and is therefore easy to put pressure on. Would be found out at test level.

Not really sure why people are keen on Sayers in India. Can swing it, but when there's not a lot of movement he's essentially limited to bowling long spells of sub 130 military mediums.

**** that's even worse. The fruitless search for an all-rounder is bad enough, going down the the England road of picking several bit-part players will be disastrous.

The best 4th seamer in India that's currently fit and available would probably be Tremain. Not really a swing bowler.

 

[Kram]

I'll give Maxwell permission to play the reverse sweep if he's gone past 200.

 

[Docker82]

Honestly the reverse sweep is a shot you decide to play before the ball is bowled. Without seeing what ball the bowler the bowls you run the risk of looking like an idiot by either missing an obvious scoring opportunity or worse getting out. If Smith tells Maxwell he's going to declare soon I've got no problem with him playing it, although I doubt we'll ever get to that stage tbh. The reverse sweep (and switch hit/swoop etc) are shots that just carry way too much risk when the game is in the balance or you're trying to save the game.


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[Docker82]

Would have been better if he were playing for Queensland in Shield cricket IMO. What do everyone think the practice game XI will be? I'd be going with:

Renshaw
S Marsh
Khawaja
Handscomb
Wade (+, c)
Maxwell (for the lols)
M Marsh
Agar
O'Keefe
Starc
Bird

The top 3 are essentially competing for the openers and #3 spot (if Renshaw outperforms Khawaja Marsh bats 3), Maxwell and Marsh are competing for the allrounder spot, Agar and O'Keefe for the second spinner spot and Starc and Bird competing for the second seamer spot.

Play the first test XI IMO. Everyone who we plan on playing needs every chance they can get to play. Going into the first test with our best players having not played in those conditions is asking for trouble. Sure if we had two or three tour games I'd play this lineup (Anyone but Wade captain though, having him in the team/squad is bad enough) but with one tour game we need everyone as ready as they can be so we can lose by as little as possible.

 

[Carlos Danger]

You seen him attempt to play spin? It makes Khawaja look positively brilliant against spin. For a bloke who bowls some spin, he looks clueless against the spinners. You know a batsman is struggling against spin when his go to show is the slog sweep/sweep.

I don't feel Head is near ready. Will play in the future, but Maxwell is the better option right now.

How contradictory can you be inside one post. Head is bad at playing spin cos he has to go to a slog sweep or sweep but maxwell is a better option. His go to shot when he gets bogged down is a reverse sweep & that makes him a masterful player???

Head has his struggles against spin but is hardly any better/ worse than the average australian batsman.

You cant judge someone on their T20 & 50 over technique as many have on here cos its irrelevant. There is a big difference between slogging & having to score against spin vs playing yourself in and waiting for balls in your areas like can be done in long form cricket.

Head has scored plenty of runs in shield, how has he managed to avoid every shield spinner the whole time? He can still play spin ok

FWIW I'm not surprised he was overlooked for the tour but I reckon he was a lot closer than you think. Being left handed might have cost him more than anything else