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And O'Keefe has played 2 Shield matches this season which isn't a huge sample size either.
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And O'Keefe has played 2 Shield matches this season which isn't a huge sample size either.
How was Swepson a poor selection?
Best leg spinner easy bar possibly Ahmed who is 35. Holland is too similar to OKeefe anyway
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He might be the best leg spinner we have but 1. He's not ready to play test cricket and 2. He's not even in the squad to play test cricket.
In my opinion he would have been much better served actually playing the next 5 shield games then twidling his thumbs on the bench.
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IMO the real reason so many people are unhappy about this is because it confirms a bunch of problems people already have with the selection panel
O'Keefe's record at test level is 14 wickets in 4 matches at an average of 32. Not great but its decent enough especially when you consider that he broke down mid game in one of those tests and another was pretty much washed out.
Add his strong career record at FC level and the fact that he's a fairly reliable lower order bat and him getting selected isn't a surprise to anyone.
O'Keefe's record at test level is 14 wickets in 4 matches at an average of 32. Not great but its decent enough especially when you consider that he broke down mid game in one of those tests and another was pretty much washed out.
Add his strong career record at FC level and the fact that he's a fairly reliable lower order bat and him getting selected isn't a surprise to anyone.
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In those same 5 matches Ashwin took 32 wickeets at 23 though. Was still second fiddle.
Hope Lloyd Pope continues to progress...
http://www.cricket.com.au/news/lloy...19-national-championships-adelaide/2016-12-18
Its a bit harsh to say Holland wasn't selected because he didn't perform in Sri Lanka when he had quite a few chances missed off his bowling.
Can't believe I'm about to defend the selectors here....
What kind of self-important princess must Jon Holland be if he thinks he deserves a phone call? Why should they? How many blokes are they supposed to call? Do they call every first class cricketers who doesn't get picked?
I can understand them calling Hilton Cartwright to tell him he wasn't going on tour because he was only in the side last week, but other than that, what is there to talk about?
"Hi Jon, it's Trevor Hohns here. Yeah, seventh call in the last two months to say you're not in the side. Why? Because we picked the others guys instead. Talk soon!"
If my employer demoted me without a heads up I'd be livid
Even though the bloke you'd been filling in for was back from sick leave?
This is blown up out of nothing. I agree with the above posters. Are they meant to call everyone who's played for Aus in the past three years and apologise for not picking them on the tour? That's a s**t pile of phone calls.
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“I haven’t spoken to a selector since the last Test in Sri Lanka,” Holland said.
I reckon he's got a case to have a bit of a whinge at this juncture.
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I think if we're just considering "best spinners available", given his Shield form (both this season and in parts of the last two seasons), along with the fact that he was considered "next in line" as recently as the Sri Lanka tour, Holland has the right to be a bit puzzled at his non-selection.
Don't know that he necessarily required a personal phone call to inform him that he wouldn't be touring, but to get no feedback or communication or indication whether you're still in the frame since getting dropped is poor from CA, to say the least.
Don't know that he necessarily required a personal phone call to inform him that he wouldn't be touring, but to get no feedback or communication or indication whether you're still in the frame since getting dropped is poor from CA, to say the least.
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Is there any reason to think his coaches at state level aren't getting that info and passing it on/working on it with him?
All we know is he hasn't had a personal conversation with a selector.
Seriously, why should they call him? What are they supposed to say? The selectors have had bigger things to worry about since Sri Lanka than Jon Holland.
It's called feedback mate. Let the bloke know what he needs to be doing in their eyes in order to be considered. It's also about accountability for their decisions. Pretty basic principles of leadership
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Would there be as big a whinge on here if it was SOK left out? Doubt it. Holland was nothing special in his test matches, was solid at best (on a good day). SOK can do that, and he can bat/feld much better.
If SOK was left out and he came out and said that he had not been spoken to regarding it then I for one would have the same opinion as I do Holland. These blokes are professional cricketers...it is their job. The deserve to be given feedback in relation to their professions
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Then Holland can pick up the phone and call them. I would be shocked if they wouldn't at least provide him an answer- albeit the answer is obvious anyway. Forget Swepson he's there to improve and he will do that by getting 1 on 1 tutoring by some of the Indian spinners. Agar and Maxwell are there as AR's, one a batting version and one a bowling version. Lyon is first picked. Was always a choice between SOK and Holland as the 2nd spinner, and SOK played the last test and was in the side before the SL series (Holland covered due to SOK breaking down). The only iffy one is Mitch Marsh, and I guess that was a possibility to a degree, but we sort of need that fast bowling AR to cover all bases.
The issue is not Holland's non-selection, but Cricket Australia's communication.
As the head body of cricket in Australia it should be part of their job description to be in regular contact with EVERY cricketer in the team, on the fringe and even regular state level cricketers who don't have a CA contract.
If we want to have the best possible infrastructure in Oz, then that should involve selectors regularly updating state players on what they think they need to improve on in order to be considered, as well as constant updates with injuries etc. It should not be hard to have a few people employed to do this job.
It's laughable to suggest that it's the players should be calling the selectors up.
Very slack and concerning that this breakdown of communication exists.
As the head body of cricket in Australia it should be part of their job description to be in regular contact with EVERY cricketer in the team, on the fringe and even regular state level cricketers who don't have a CA contract.
If we want to have the best possible infrastructure in Oz, then that should involve selectors regularly updating state players on what they think they need to improve on in order to be considered, as well as constant updates with injuries etc. It should not be hard to have a few people employed to do this job.
It's laughable to suggest that it's the players should be calling the selectors up.
Very slack and concerning that this breakdown of communication exists.
If I was given a week in a higher role and wasn't sure how I went, I'm definitely not calling my boss Monday morning saying "boss did I do good?"
That's a nonsense. The national selectors should be in contact with state coaches and state selectors to get information on performances of players, updates with injuries, etc, not the players themselves. And it is the state reps who should then pass that on to their players.
There are 53 people who have played at least four shield games this year, and some of them are just nowhere near national selection, nor will they ever be.
And hey, maybe they do call everyone on the fringes of national selection, and they still didn't call Jon Holland.
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