Australian Wrestling thread

[pleasetakealemon]

As someone who started attending local shows again after covid because of DMDU i feel I’ve walked into a very fitting night of conversation.

I second a lot of what people are saying, that first Geelong show felt like the high point, War Games was the beginning of the end and i would very much agree that Baxter/Dusk was the last gasp.

As stuff kept getting more worse for wars I pulled back on going to shows, I went to that first show in the warehouse to see the cage match with Tyson and Edward and as mentioned above, it was fantastic but everything preceded was more and more evidence the promotion was done.

I think it’s cool there’s people here that have good memories with what could’ve been but for my two cents i really wish it would just be left to die.

Seeing photos of two out of shape people breaking blades over each other in front of 19 people is a far cry from the shows I remember seeing with people like Matt Hayter, Tarlee, Delta, Ritchie Taylor, Royce Chambers, Charli Evans, JXT, Edward Dusk, Tyson Baxter, Gore, Krackerjak and Lochy Hendricks.

 

[jayw66]

Poor H from Steps, must be awful having the same name as such a disgusting human being

He got proper death threats didn't he?

 

[KirkvanHurten]

He got proper death threats didn't he?

Yep, some news sites also put up a photo of him instead of LP Ian Watkins

 

[nobbyiscool]

As someone who started attending local shows again after covid because of DMDU i feel I’ve walked into a very fitting night of conversation.

I second a lot of what people are saying, that first Geelong show felt like the high point, War Games was the beginning of the end and i would very much agree that Baxter/Dusk was the last gasp.

As stuff kept getting more worse for wars I pulled back on going to shows, I went to that first show in the warehouse to see the cage match with Tyson and Edward and as mentioned above, it was fantastic but everything preceded was more and more evidence the promotion was done.

I think it’s cool there’s people here that have good memories with what could’ve been but for my two cents i really wish it would just be left to die.

Seeing photos of two out of shape people breaking blades over each other in front of 19 people is a far cry from the shows I remember seeing with people like Matt Hayter, Tarlee, Delta, Ritchie Taylor, Royce Chambers, Charli Evans, JXT, Edward Dusk, Tyson Baxter, Gore, Krackerjak and Lochy Hendricks.

Even the death matches on those early shows were so groundbreaking in the local context, I don't think any of us had ever seen anything like that before, or not in over a decade since Mad Dog and Lobo (and then Krackers) were doing it, but that was before my time.. I remember Gweedo vs Callen at the "Juice" title tournament show was a lot, even bringing the ref to tears. But I'd never seen anything like it before, I found the storytelling in that context captivating. And then they did this incredible match in Shep that I only saw on the stream between Bateman and Atlas, and I was hooked from that match. I love wrestling for it's stories, and I'd never seen local wrestling stories told like that.

But I think the last gasp came before that Baxter/Dusk match. (I hope Tyson is doing ok, I think he hurt his knee again in that match and I haven't heard anything of him in the wrestling scene since.)

They announced the Arena opening, then cancelled the show 2 days out, and held a relocated show the next week. I attended that "FOOTSCRAY" show - in Yarraville - then the arena collapsed in a haze of carnyism. A month later they held a Tournament/Spiders double shot on a Saturday, which they had to relocate the morning of the show, and they'd cancelled o/s talent for, and it looked, sounded, felt, even smelled like the end of a company.

Every show they've announced since then has shocked me, cos that was supposed to be a big weekend for them. But they were down to their last 40 fans, then they disappointed - if not outright pissed off - nearly all of them that day.

(Everyone knew that Arrow had kicked them out previously, they'd begged their way back in cos they were desperate at the last minute... then they broke their stuff and bled on their chairs and carpet - as a fan of the broader scene who knows that wrestling can't afford to get a reputation for treating venues like that, it was such a turn off that detracted from the show.)

 

[Senor M]

First of all I joined because I've been meaning to for a while and second of all, why on earth would you give anyone money without doing the slightest bit of research on the matter, or is pressing see more too effort. Also Jeff Cannonball announced his diagnosis for ALS on the 29th of May and DMDU announced the show 4th of June, it's not like they knew for months and were only saving it to be announced now. The Big Freeze is June 9th, the DMDU show is July 20th, over a month between them, that's enough of a difference for it to not be correlated. Not everything is a grift or conspiracy

Other than being a new account; this post is a massive red flag in my opinion for multiple reasons.

1. Motor Neurone Disease (MND) is diagnosed using the terminology of MND in Australia— using the acronym “ALS” reads like an outsider, because you’re using the terminology Cannonball is using on his socials rather than the Australian terminology.

2. Implying that the FightMND fundraising efforts are limited to the BigFreeze @ the MCG is either being deliberately misleading or suggests that you have no idea about what is happening within the community in Melbourne. The FightMND community fundraising efforts have increased over the past decade; with a focus by the organisation for community groups to fundraise this year—- it’s happening at every second sporting club & school over the next month.

3. Neale Daniher is the current Australian of the Year, he’s the spokesperson for FightMND and a very high profile name in Melbourne, especially this time of year. The first thing most Melbournians think of when they read/hear MND is Neale Daniher.

4. Tickets are on sale now, so using “Raise funds for MND” during this campaign is misleading when it’s not going to MND research, but the bank account of some American. It’s not our responsibility to pay for his medical bills because the U.S. Health system is ducked.

But please, hide behind the 4-5new accounts created to push the narrative onto another topic and don’t acknowledge that it is misleading. It’s absolute carny behaviour.

 

[Cleavy]

just would like to point out, there's a gofundme to donate direct to him/his family, currently sitting at $103k of the $125k goal (USD)

 

[jayw66]

just would like to point out, there's a gofundme to donate direct to him/his family, currently sitting at $103k of the $125k goal (USD)

I saw Mark Cuban donated 10k

 

[HankPanky]

They sold themselves as "Punk Rock Pro Wrestling" and I guess they hit that to a point, they've become the equivalent of GG Allin throwing shit into the crowd and had people like the wrestling version of Jesse Lacey from Brand New involved. Rock'n'roll!

I see your GG Allin and raise you a Justin Sane from Anti-Flag

 

[jayw66]

I see your GG Allin and raise you a Justin Sane from Anti-Flag

Genuinely devastating.

 

[pleasetakealemon]

Even the death matches on those early shows were so groundbreaking in the local context, I don't think any of us had ever seen anything like that before, or not in over a decade since Mad Dog and Lobo (and then Krackers) were doing it, but that was before my time.. I remember Gweedo vs Callen at the "Juice" title tournament show was a lot, even bringing the ref to tears. But I'd never seen anything like it before, I found the storytelling in that context captivating. And then they did this incredible match in Shep that I only saw on the stream between Bateman and Atlas, and I was hooked from that match. I love wrestling for it's stories, and I'd never seen local wrestling stories told like that.

But I think the last gasp came before that Baxter/Dusk match. (I hope Tyson is doing ok, I think he hurt his knee again in that match and I haven't heard anything of him in the wrestling scene since.)

They announced the Arena opening, then cancelled the show 2 days out, and held a relocated show the next week. I attended that "FOOTSCRAY" show - in Yarraville - then the arena collapsed in a haze of carnyism. A month later they held a Tournament/Spiders double shot on a Saturday, which they had to relocate the morning of the show, and they'd cancelled o/s talent for, and it looked, sounded, felt, even smelled like the end of a company.

Every show they've announced since then has shocked me, cos that was supposed to be a big weekend for them. But they were down to their last 40 fans, then they disappointed - if not outright pissed off - nearly all of them that day.

(Everyone knew that Arrow had kicked them out previously, they'd begged their way back in cos they were desperate at the last minute... then they broke their stuff and bled on their chairs and carpet - as a fan of the broader scene who knows that wrestling can't afford to get a reputation for treating venues like that, it was such a turn off that detracted from the show.)

Last gasp might be too generous, death rattle might be more fitting. I just didn’t want to sound like I was shitting on the match that those two had!

Yeah, where the Baxter is now I hope he’s doing well! That feud really felt like a big I’m not going anywhere statement. They worked great together, but hopefully he’s happy wherever he is.

I was never a fan of death match. I tried out the shows just because the response to them was so great and I was really came to enjoy it through that early stuff . Thought Butchers story as a no body was fantastic. But yeah it really just devolved into all the worst parts of what people says deathmatch is.

I didn’t know about all the arrow stuff but none of it comes as a shock. I think it just sucks that it was a really cool alternative to what the state offers and it’s shit that all that failed it was those running it.

I think there’s room for that brand of wrestling (punk rock not deathmatch specifically) but just not the money for someone to do it

 

[Senor M]

I used the terminology "ALS" because that's what Jeff Cannonball, who is an American, said he has. I meanwhile am from South Australia and I didn't realise there wasn't a difference between MND and ALS, I thought ALS was a form of MND

So here's the thing, I only mentioned The Big Freeze, because it was mentioned to me. I personally have never heard of The Big Freeze, because despite the fact this is a footy forum, I don't actually care about football (I support the crows because family members do). This was the only Australian Wrestling discussion I could find (that's not on Facebook). So yep no clue

Ok what's that got to do with the price of eggs? When at any point did I imply that DMDU or Jeff Cannonball are the faces of MND and again as previously stated I'm from SA, so yes I don't know what the first thing Melbourians think

My point was they organised an event as quickly as the information was made available to them, if this happened in March or April and they only announced it now, yeah that's 100% deliberate. It's only misleading if you can't be bothered reading the actual post because they say it's going to him and no, it's no ones responsibility to pay his medical bills, that's what the whole point of charity is about, you don't actually have to donate a cent, it's only if you feel like it.

And don't take what I said as some big defense of DMDU, I have been quite critical of DMDU since the beginning. I'm not denying they've scammed people and will continue to scam people, but i genuinely don't believe this is one.

The whole Australian wrestling scene and wrestling in general is full of filth and corruption, some are just better of hiding it than others. We're not good people and anyone who watches us should be wary.

If you’re a non-AFL fan from South Australia, why did you sign up to an AFL football forum to write a post defending a poor decision made by a Melbourne based wrestling company promoting an event in Melbourne?

 

[Senor M]

Did you not read the part where I specifically said why I signed up or did you just skim what I said, which was my point in this whole conversation.

Your first post was defending DMDU advertising that they are raising funds for MND in Melbourne.

Since then you’ve openly said you don’t know what MND is, you’re not from Melbourne and you don’t understand what the FightMND foundation does.

I’ll be going to a show at Party@Peak tomorrow night, I’m aware of the Melbourne wrestling scene and the perception of the wider community.

But please continue to defend a carny group for using MND as a tool to sell tickets during the same week that FightMND is trying to raise money to find a cure.

I’d prefer any money donated go to an Australian charity, not a U.S. independent wrestler who’s getting money from Mark Cuban.

If you don’t know what you’re talking about— maybe don’t post, instead of taking pot shots at wrestling fans while sitting on your high horse over there in South Australia

 

[nobbyiscool]

I think there’s room for that brand of wrestling (punk rock not deathmatch specifically) but just not the money for someone to do it

And I wish that formed part of DMDU's very complicated legacy. In the midst of hot early shows, diverse crowds, a spectacular collapse, unpaid bills et al...

It would've been cool if there had been an understanding that there's an audience for that diverse punk wrestling crowd if you keep it on a very local scale.

Unfortunately almost the opposite is true - the legacy of its post-War Games existence appears to be a belief among wannabe promoters that people are happy to pay for hot shit, resulting in a proliferation of garbage wrestling companies in Melbourne featuring some people who are barely trained, and barely above backyard level. (Not all of them, there are absolutely some good workers on some of these shows, and I don't want to paint them with the same brush.)

The fact that there are now just as many garbage shows as there are reputable shows means that there's a 50% chance that someone who is ignorant to the scene and just sees local wrestling in street press and decides to go is going to walk into something rubbish and never return.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I used the terminology "ALS" because that's what Jeff Cannonball, who is an American, said he has. I meanwhile am from South Australia and I didn't realise there wasn't a difference between MND and ALS, I thought ALS was a form of MND

So here's the thing, I only mentioned The Big Freeze, because it was mentioned to me. I personally have never heard of The Big Freeze, because despite the fact this is a footy forum, I don't actually care about football (I support the crows because family members do). This was the only Australian Wrestling discussion I could find (that's not on Facebook). So yep no clue

Ok what's that got to do with the price of eggs? When at any point did I imply that DMDU or Jeff Cannonball are the faces of MND and again as previously stated I'm from SA, so yes I don't know what the first thing Melbourians think

My point was they organised an event as quickly as the information was made available to them, if this happened in March or April and they only announced it now, yeah that's 100% deliberate. It's only misleading if you can't be bothered reading the actual post because they say it's going to him and no, it's no ones responsibility to pay his medical bills, that's what the whole point of charity is about, you don't actually have to donate a cent, it's only if you feel like it.

And don't take what I said as some big defense of DMDU, I have been quite critical of DMDU since the beginning. I'm not denying they've scammed people and will continue to scam people, but i genuinely don't believe this is one.

The whole Australian wrestling scene and wrestling in general is full of filth and corruption, some are just better of hiding it than others. We're not good people and anyone who watches us should be wary.

This was a hell of a way to say that you don't know literally a thing that you're talking about, and you're either too stupid or too lazy to bother doing any research before squealing like a pig. It doesn't make you the best defender or spokesperson for a company

I said that launching that event this week with that poster was either really ignorant or mindblowingly stupid - you're proving the point.

If you don't know anything about MND, FreezeMND, Neale Daniher, and what this week means in Melbourne, then why, oh why would you bother commenting? It almost seems like a determination to tell us all that you're a meathead.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Well that was unhinged.

 

[Senor M]

My whole *ing point this whole ****ing time was this time I believe it was a coïncidence, but ya just kept ****ing needling and ignoring what the * I was saying so I will repeat it again

THEY SAID IN THE POST IT WAS GOING TO HIM, IF THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO CHARITY AND WASN'T THAT IS A SHITTY THING TO DO, BUT NO ONE SHOULD LOOK AT A POSTER TO A SHOW THAT THEY DON'T KNOW AND WITHOUT ANY RESEARCH GIVE THEM MONEY. THAT IS ALL I SAID AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M LECTURED BY A BUNCH OF PRETENTIOUS campaignerS ABOUT SOMETHING I SAID I DO NOT SUPPORT, JUST CALM DOWN FOR A SECOND, IT'S NOT THAT BAD, BUT THAT APPARENTLY MAKES ME WORSE THAN ****ING HITLER, SO HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS GO OUT THE SAME WAY AS ****ING MOJSTACHE BOY OR PLAY IN ****ING TRAFFIC YOU ****WITS.


Thank you kindly

I don't understand what you're getting so mad about, they clearly say in the post the proceeds are going to him and his family. Are you mad at the wording because it's not wrong, they never mention MND charities once

 

[Senor M]

KirkvanHurten — based off your unhinged melt, it’s apparent that you’re a new account that’s involved with DMDU.

At least own it, rather than pretend you’re from South Australia.

Just because you think it’s reasonable to use the phrase, “raising funds for MND” instead of “raising money for Cannonball and his family” a poster doesn’t mean that other people have to agree with you.

The poster was published for a Melbourne event at the same time as many in this city is focusing on raising money for FightMND . Yes, it’s the weekend of the Big Freeze @ ‘G, but most local football teams are doing Big Freeze fundraisers this month, as are many schools.

You clearly don’t understand the wider Melbourne community, especially those that live near the venue of the aforementioned DMDU show (Brunswick).

 

[Battslotto]

My whole *ing point this whole ****ing time was this time I believe it was a coïncidence, but ya just kept ****ing needling and ignoring what the * I was saying so I will repeat it again

THEY SAID IN THE POST IT WAS GOING TO HIM, IF THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO CHARITY AND WASN'T THAT IS A SHITTY THING TO DO, BUT NO ONE SHOULD LOOK AT A POSTER TO A SHOW THAT THEY DON'T KNOW AND WITHOUT ANY RESEARCH GIVE THEM MONEY. THAT IS ALL I SAID AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M LECTURED BY A BUNCH OF PRETENTIOUS campaignerS ABOUT SOMETHING I SAID I DO NOT SUPPORT, JUST CALM DOWN FOR A SECOND, IT'S NOT THAT BAD, BUT THAT APPARENTLY MAKES ME WORSE THAN ****ING HITLER, SO HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS GO OUT THE SAME WAY AS ****ING MOJSTACHE BOY OR PLAY IN ****ING TRAFFIC YOU ****WITS.


Thank you kindly

 

[pleasetakealemon]

I feel like if you’re coming here, of all places, specifically just to defend DMDU, of all things things, and you can’t understand on a base level why people aren’t ready to trust DMDU I have to believe either

A - you are involved in DMDU and for some reason are choosing to defend the company and this thing in a forum where people talk about local wrestling versus actually publicly where you time would be far better spent

B - have way to much time in your schedule and would say maybe it’s time for a hobby, I get wanting to defend something but you’re clearly very invested in this and arguing it here so intensely just feels odd.

 

[auswrestlinginsider]

I feel like if you’re coming here, of all places, specifically just to defend DMDU, of all things things, and you can’t understand on a base level why people aren’t ready to trust DMDU I have to believe either

A - you are involved in DMDU and for some reason are choosing to defend the company and this thing in a forum where people talk about local wrestling versus actually publicly where you time would be far better spent

B - have way to much time in your schedule and would say maybe it’s time for a hobby, I get wanting to defend something but you’re clearly very invested in this and arguing it here so intensely just feels odd.

100% Option A but not an overly educated member of their team given that anyone with two brain cells would be able to understand the issues brought up in the previous page.

 

[pleasetakealemon]

Enough DMDU, too much good wrestling happening in next month to be wasting time on that.

 

[jcartwright771]

mcw seemed to have moved a hell of a lot of tickets for the Pavilion

 

[Big Time Greg]

The Renegades of Wrestling show on Sunday was a lot of fun

 

[nobbyiscool]

I've been watching Indistructible this arvo, goddamn Gino is good on commentary. I was surprised to hear him - he was so damn good on a global stage, I think I probably assumed that he'd priced himself out of commentating local shows, cos I've never been able to understand why he wasn't/isn't on every single one of them. Gino as a commentator could've been a draw, people from all over the world loved him on New Japan.

King of the Metro on Friday night was probably the most obvious result they could've gone for, when you think about it Tuckman and Cherry are about the only 2 stars that PWA has created in the 4-5 years since COVID (since they won't pull the bloody trigger on Braxton.)

I was surprised that they immediately announced his title challenge. I thought he'd ultimately go for Robbie, but I thought they might tease it out a bit more, cos he's been on the peripheral of that Cherry/Jess story as well, and there was money in the chase of Robbie.

Good show I thought, it's worth the 2.5 hours. It does make me wonder about Colosseum, it doesn't really feel like there's another top wrestler "in the queue" who deserves to win it with Ricky moving overseas. And that's clearly what PWA wants it to be, and who the winners have always been - major names who they like to reward for excellence and longevity, but who also give the sword prestige. In other words, they're still in the phase where they believe the wrestlers are making the sword.

Obviously the aim is that one day it'll be be the opposite, and you can use it to push someone and make an instant star out of them (ie. the sword makes the wrestler). But I don't know who that would be at the moment either.

If Robbie Thorpe was a Sydney guy, I think he'd be the super obvious choice to be the first guy who receives the sword as a push, but I'm not sure they'll book a Melbourne guy for such a departure of winners.

 

[Cleavy]

who else remembers High Risk Championship Wrestling on Ch9?