Australia's political system is fundamentally compromised

[Caesar]

Don't get pissy because you don't understand context and have no idea what a union actually is.

I’m fine. But it sounds to me like you don’t understand what a corporate donation is or why they are a problem.

If you meant that the Greens don’t take donations from certain types of businesses, you should have said so. But the claim that they don’t take corporate donations is misleading and wrong.

Perhaps the degree to which this thread has been derailed illustrates to you why I can’t be bothered walking you through your mistakes every time you make them. You could have worked all this out yourself if you had taken the time to research your claims.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Sounds to me like you don’t understand what a corporate donation is or why they are a problem.

Sounds to me like you don't.

 

[Caesar]

Sounds to me like you don't.

That would certainly be on a par with your comprehension to date.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

That would certainly be on a par with your comprehension to date.

I wouldn't be talking about anyone else's comprehension when you believe unions, estate funds and political parties are the same as corporations. In every discussion you bloviate like some pompous fruitcake.

 

[Taylor]

And how are they going to pay for all these things? Easy to make promises when you know you have zero chance of ever being in power. I assume that they will want to tax the wealthy even more to try to create their little socialist utopia. So glad that they will never be a serious political,party in Australia.

In Perth during the boom apartment buildings were being built at a cost of $200,000 per floor, with eight apartments on each floor. Lets assume the cost for those has doubled. Assuming that the land would need to be purchased - let's assume a price of $25,000,000 to get to the point where living space begins and a max of 30 stories high. Assuming that 500,000 homes is a per capita thing and not a stand alone number of available places.

That would be $25,000,000 + 30x $400,000 = $37,000,000 for a total of 240 apartments. 2 residents per apartment. 480 people. We will round that up to 500 per building.

1000 buildings across the nation would achieve the desired result - 500,000 homed. For a cost of roughly $37 billion dollars but the assets owned by the government would have a market value (assuming $250,000 per apartment) of $60 billion, excluding the economic benefit of injecting almost $40 billion into the construction industry.

 

[Power Raid]

Tax the Billionaires | Australian Greens

greens.org.au

Happy reading!

they can't even be honest in their language, instead they choose to mislead their followers

 

[Power Raid]

In Perth during the boom apartment buildings were being built at a cost of $200,000 per floor, with eight apartments on each floor. Lets assume the cost for those has doubled. Assuming that the land would need to be purchased - let's assume a price of $25,000,000 to get to the point where living space begins and a max of 30 stories high. Assuming that 500,000 homes is a per capita thing and not a stand alone number of available places.

That would be $25,000,000 + 30x $400,000 = $37,000,000 for a total of 240 apartments. 2 residents per apartment. 480 people. We will round that up to 500 per building.

1000 buildings across the nation would achieve the desired result - 500,000 homed. For a cost of roughly $37 billion dollars but the assets owned by the government would have a market value (assuming $250,000 per apartment) of $60 billion, excluding the economic benefit of injecting almost $40 billion into the construction industry.

I feel building over the top of train lines, is a simple "land free" public housing solution. Also providing residents with easy access to public transport.

It would also make train stations safer.

Who in their right mind would stand on a train platform in places like Lathlain at night......empty, remote and roaming delinquents

 

[Taylor]

I feel building over the top of train lines, is a simple "land free" public housing solution. Also providing residents with easy access to public transport.

It would also make train stations safer.

Who in their right mind would stand on a train platform in places like Lathlain at night......empty, remote and roaming delinquents

That's a clever idea. It would need the train line to be pulled up in order to build the foundations of a tower but the premise is smart - especially if the building over the top is able to form a walkway between the two sides of the track and link suburbs together.

 

[Lebbo73]

The Greens don't take corporate donations.


The Greens want to build 500 000 rent-controlled homes, provide free undergraduate degrees and TAFE courses, increase Newstart and single parenting payments, and provide free or low-cost services like childcare, dentistry and mental healthcare.

My point here isn't just to shill for the Greens, it's that these policies are being offered (again), and people simply don't want them, or are politically prejudiced against those who are offering them.


The NBN could have been one if the Liberals hadn't kneecapped it.

All of these initiatives will bankrupt the country. Jobseeker and jobkeeper has already achieved this. Money doesn’t come out of thin air without consequences you know? Actually you don’t know this.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

All of these initiatives will bankrupt the country. Jobseeker and jobkeeper has already achieved this.

The country isn't bankrupt.

Money doesn’t come out of thin air without consequences you know? Actually you don’t know this.

Why are you so sure about what I know?

 

[Lebbo73]

Tax the Billionaires | Australian Greens

greens.org.au

Happy reading!

You can’t increase tax revenue by shutting down the country. Under the Greens plan for Australia there would be no private investment, everyone will be unemployed and we’d become like Venezuela in no time.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Under the Greens plan for Australia there would be no private investment

Please explain.

 

[Lebbo73]

Please explain.

Everyone will be taxed out of existence. We are one of the highest taxing countries in the OECD. Our company tax rates are some of the highest in the western world. There’s a reason why only 10% of the country votes for the Greens and 30% of their voters are based in Victoria.

 

[Power Raid]

That's a clever idea. It would need the train line to be pulled up in order to build the foundations of a tower but the premise is smart - especially if the building over the top is able to form a walkway between the two sides of the track and link suburbs together.

I'm sure you're right but I feel pensioners and some disabled people would love to live over a train station providing access to transport. Further creating the first floor for shopping and commercial, could be a good utility.

We are trying with Claremont Quater 40 yards from the train line, Carousel Shopping Centre close to rail and now the airport. A shame all three aren't all immediately under the destination to avoid the walking distance, in the weather to reduce the burden on the elderly and disabled.

A big fail is the distance between the rail and Fiona Stanley, especially for the elderly seeking to visit their partner in hospital.

I would look at Singapore as an example of building stations immediately beneath destinations. Singapore has done this for practical and commercial reasons but I would like to see Social Needs added to the decision formula along with public housing.

 

[Number37]

They have tried that in a number of jurisdictions, and it gets loopholes pretty badly

I love the concept, just yet to see it work as intended

They could make it similar to the Persona Designata doctrine that applies to Chapter 3 juidicial officers.

 

[Power Raid]

Please explain.

higher unreliable energy is not great for the environment as you see a rise of diesel generators. It's a killer for refining, manufacturing, processing, mining type industries leading to lost jobs, taxes and exports our pollution to higher polluting jurisdictions.

taxing industry out of existence is not a great outcome

misleading voters to support these policies, with false statements highlights the lack of integrity



so we have a political party that wants to hurt the environment, kill industry and mislead their followers. Sounds like they'd be great.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Everyone will be taxed out of existence.

The Greens want to return tax rates for the wealthy and big business to what they were in 2016. Were the wealthy and big business being taxed out of existence in 2016?

We are one of the highest taxing countries in the OECD.

The OECD themselves say otherwise.

Our company tax rates are some of the highest in the western world.

We have the same effective company tax rate as those well-known economic basket cases Germany and Japan. The Greens haven't made any plan to raise this, they just want to remove the small business discount for businesses that earn over $10 million per year.

There’s a reason why only 10% of the country votes for the Greens and 30% of their voters are based in Victoria.

There are multiple reasons for lots of things. One of them is political prejudice, another is the media convincing the ordinary person to do the bidding of billionaires and corporate hucksters.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

higher unreliable energy is not great for the environment as you see a rise of diesel generators. It's a killer for refining, manufacturing, processing, mining type industries leading to lost jobs, taxes and exports our pollution to higher polluting jurisdictions.

taxing industry out of existence is not a great outcome

misleading voters to support these policies, with false statements highlights the lack of integrity



so we have a political party that wants to hurt the environment, kill industry and mislead their followers. Sounds like they'd be great.

You've proven absolutely none of these things, you're essentially just building a straw man argument.

 

[Taylor]

The Greens want to return tax rates for the wealthy and big business to what they were in 2016. Were the wealthy and big business being taxed out of existence in 2016?


The OECD themselves say otherwise.

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We have the same effective company tax rate as those well-known economic basket cases Germany and Japan. The Greens haven't made any plan to raise this, they just want to remove the small business discount for businesses that earn over $10 million per year.


There are multiple reasons for lots of things. One of them is political prejudice, another is the media convincing the ordinary person to do the bidding of billionaires and corporate hucksters.

What about tax per capita?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

What about tax per capita?

What about it? I've given you the tax to GDP ratio already. Tax is better understood relative to GDP than per capita, because that's what the ability to tax is based on.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

We are trying with Claremont Quater 40 yards from the train line, Carousel Shopping Centre close to rail and now the airport. A shame all three aren't all immediately under the destination to avoid the walking distance, in the weather to reduce the burden on the elderly and disabled.

Ideally we'd be able to do this everywhere. The problem is you need to send the stations and some portions of the line underground, and the cost of building anything underground is enormous. It can be done, but it requires fairly high tax revenues given everything else we need to spend money on. And judging by your other posts, you're not in favour of high taxes.

A big fail is the distance between the rail and Fiona Stanley, especially for the elderly seeking to visit their partner in hospital.

There's a bus from the train station right to the front door of the hospital.

 

[Taylor]

What about it? I've given you the tax to GDP ratio already. Tax is better understood relative to GDP than per capita, because that's what the ability to tax is based on.

But the impact of tax on the individual is felt by the per capita measure, not the as a percentage of GDP.

 

[Power Raid]

You've proven absolutely none of these things, you're essentially just building a straw man argument.

prove? please read your own link

 

[Power Raid]

Ideally we'd be able to do this everywhere. The problem is you need to send the stations and some portions of the line underground, and the cost of building anything underground is enormous. It can be done, but it requires fairly high tax revenues given everything else we need to spend money on. And judging by your other posts, you're not in favour of high taxes.


There's a bus from the train station right to the front door of the hospital.

$1 per ton and you only have to move 50% of dirt to go underground

or simply build up rather than down




perhaps you have me confused with someone else, as I'm pro not reducing corporate tax, increasing GST and introducing property/ wealth taxes.

 

[Power Raid]

There's a bus from the train station right to the front door of the hospital.

that's great if you are a pensioner carrying a bag of supplies.

Same said for the ridiculous airport train line that stops short. HK should have been the model, with an airport check in at the train station.