Autistic Poster Child Denied Visa

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Thursday December 2, 08:37 PM

Disabled poster boy in visa row


A poster boy for international day of people with a disability was denied an Australian residency visa because he was mildly autistic, his parents said.

Pictures of Rophin Morris, an autistic Indian boy, feature in a calender launched by the federal government to promote its commitment to protecting the rights of people with disabilities.


But Rophin's father Jude said the sole reason his family had been denied permanent residency was because his 12-year-old son was autistic.

He said he was perplexed the government could use his son's disability to its advantage while at the same time citing it as the reason to reject their permanent residency claim.

"The minister (sic) at the calendar launch actually said how they value disabled people and this was a way of honouring them and yet our application for residency has been rejected solely because my son has a disability," Mr Morris said.

"That's the only reason our application has been rejected because he's disabled.

"So I find it paradoxical that the government would picture him in the calendar and he was honoured today and another department is actually trying to get us out of this country because he is disabled."

The Morris family arrived in Canberra 10 years ago but failed in its attempt in 2002 to be granted a permanent
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I guess I am perplexed as well. On one hand I have no concerns if the criteria for entry have guidelines attached, yet on the other hand to promote an issue in regards to protecting the rights of people with disabilities, and then abusing those rights at the next outing makes me scratch my head.


I do have concerns as to the length of time someone can be on a business visa. I also have concerns that people who have children here, are allowed to stay long enough that for all intents and purposes the children born here are Australian. Why cant visas be rescinded or allowed before the first Australian born child starts school? I also dont like people holding the government to emotional ransom.

This must be embarrassing for the Howard Government...if they ever get embarrassed at anything they do.

My opinion? The damage is done let them stay.
 

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This must be embarrassing for the Howard Government...if they ever get embarrassed at anything they do.
No they don't.
This Howard govt is one of the most heartless, greed driven, cruelest govts to govern Australia.

My opinion is the poor kid was used and now he has done the job for Howard and Co, they simply dont care about him anymore.
 

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I guess I am perplexed as well. On one hand I have no concerns if the criteria for entry have guidelines attached, yet on the other hand to promote an issue in regards to protecting the rights of people with disabilities, and then abusing those rights at the next outing makes me scratch my head.


I do have concerns as to the length of time someone can be on a business visa. I also have concerns that people who have children here, are allowed to stay long enough that for all intents and purposes the children born here are Australian. Why cant visas be rescinded or allowed before the first Australian born child starts school? I also dont like people holding the government to emotional ransom.

This must be embarrassing for the Howard Government...if they ever get embarrassed at anything they do.

My opinion? The damage is done let them stay.
I have worked with immigration on a busness visa side over a number of years, and its hard to get some one over 45, or almost impossible if they have any minor heart or any other health issues. They reject people all the time for health reasons, to save the tax payer money (there excuse). The final irony is when they pay taxes here they pay the medicare surcharge, but in alot of cases can't claim until they become a permanent resident. Mind you on the business visa side not much has changed since Keating.
 

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I have worked with immigration on a busness visa side over a number of years, and its hard to get some one over 45, or almost impossible if they have any minor heart or any other health issues. They reject people all the time for health reasons, to save the tax payer money (there excuse). The final irony is when they pay taxes here they pay the medicare surcharge, but in alot of cases can't claim until they become a permanent resident. Mind you on the business visa side not much has changed since Keating.
My point with business visas was the length of time and the processes to transfer from business to residence visas. The boy is 12 they have been here for 10 years ..why does it take so long? Or is it once again a money grabbing exercise?

Why when the child was initially diagnosed with autism, werent the family advised that there was a probability that due to Immigration standards they would be asked to return home?
 

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I guess I am perplexed as well. On one hand I have no concerns if the criteria for entry have guidelines attached, yet on the other hand to promote an issue in regards to protecting the rights of people with disabilities, and then abusing those rights at the next outing makes me scratch my head.
It sounds like something out of "Yes Minister"
 

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I am not suprised to hear this. The whole system needs an overhaul thinks mainly to the Libs.

Regardless of wether or not Latham would have done things differently, I proudly declare that I did not vote for this government. Reading about crap like this really ********ed me off.
 

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No they don't.
This Howard govt is one of the most heartless, greed driven, cruelest govts to govern Australia.

My opinion is the poor kid was used and now he has done the job for Howard and Co, they simply dont care about him anymore.
Howard is becomming more and more like Hitler.
 

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Something about this story seems a bit scew.

These people are not refugees nor illegal immigrants or people on holiday who have overstayed their visas.

They have been here 10 years. waited 8 years to get permenant residency. Thats a long time making up your mind..

But Rophin's father Jude said the sole reason his family had been denied permanent residency was because his 12-year-old son was autistic.

The sole reason. Really ?

I think we should hear the full story before we go spewing the usual anti Howard goverment crap.

Comparing Howard with Hiltler. Get real loser.
 

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Listen to or read the whole story hear.


This is part of the transcript. "That said, however, Senator Vanstone did feel at liberty today to discuss the case and lay blame for the family's plight at the feet of their immigration agent, the prominent refugee advocate Marion Le."



Marion Le said. "Well, can I just say no one's attempting to deport this family. Their visas have run out, their migration agent didn't apply for a bridging visa to cover them while they put in further appeals, including a ministerial intervention. They do have a ministerial intervention on foot, and there's no question of them being deported until that matter's dealt with. There is no question of that. The migration officials, immigration officials visited the family's home to save them coming into immigration and to give each of the family members a bridging visa, which in my view should've been applied for at the appropriate time".

Whats the bet these people get residency status and become Aust. citiizens.
 

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These people are not refugees nor illegal immigrants or people on holiday who have overstayed their visas.

They have been here 10 years. waited 8 years to get permenant residency. Thats a long time making up your mind..
Actually that's pretty normal. I've seen this a lot, people get a working visa in another country, simply because they have a job there. For the first few years, they could easily shift back, but after that, they're very much into the way of doing things in the new country, maybe they've married, they've got kids going to school etc. But while they're working, they don't need to get residency visas, so they often don't bother until either their work ceases or they retire.
 

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Actually that's pretty normal. I've seen this a lot, people get a working visa in another country, simply because they have a job there. For the first few years, they could easily shift back, but after that, they're very much into the way of doing things in the new country, maybe they've married, they've got kids going to school etc. But while they're working, they don't need to get residency visas, so they often don't bother until either their work ceases or they retire.
That still doesnt make it ok. A business visa should only be supplied for a 3 year period. After that you should prove you have no ties here and that it is still a business decision to move here.Otherwise apply at that instance for a residence visa and have 2 years to be accepted.
 

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Sad state of affairs.

We need in our Government departments, people who have genuine compassion and empathy..would certainly make things a lot easier all around
 

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That still doesnt make it ok. A business visa should only be supplied for a 3 year period. After that you should prove you have no ties here and that it is still a business decision to move here.Otherwise apply at that instance for a residence visa and have 2 years to be accepted.
Business visa 457 is from 1 day to 4 years, you have to stay and work for 12 months to apply for permanent residency, can take anywhere frm 6 months (bloody lucky) to 18 months. You can reapply for this visa (457) indefinately.

They have been here 8 years before they applied, unusual, especially amongst residents of non 1st world countries. They may not have filled in, or given all the information to immigration; which is a real possibility given the immigration agent didn't lodge anything to get a bridging visa. This is strange in itself, the applicant whilst applying for permanent residency gets a bridging visa that allows them to stay untill it is approved or not, but if they have a 457 (or some other visa) they can stay anyway. This person may no longer be eligible for a 457 because there skill set is no longer in high demand, or no longer has a job (you only get 30 days to get another approved job or you have to get out), or of course is stupid. When this child parent is on a 457 visa the government does not pay for any medical or care services, so I supose you can be as cynical as you like.
 

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Sad state of affairs.

We need in our Government departments, people who have genuine compassion and empathy..would certainly make things a lot easier all around
One story about one family and we have a Government dept thats lacks compassion and empathy. That would be an insult to the people who probably try their best to get fair and equitable outcomes.

This place is loaded with howler monkeys and moonbats just waiting to slip the boots into anything the government does that doesnt suite their vision of what is fair and compassionate.

I work with a refugee (unskilled) from Serbia he says the goverment went out of their way to relocate he and his family it surprised him that government dept could be so helpful. There are many more like him from all over the world who have been relocated into our communuties. Heads down arse up getting on with life.
No one wants to hear good news though. Rather hang around like vultures waiting for something to complain about.
 

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I am not suprised to hear this. The whole system needs an overhaul thinks mainly to the Libs.

Regardless of wether or not Latham would have done things differently, I proudly declare that I did not vote for this government. Reading about crap like this really ********ed me off.
Stuff like this happens everyday. It's a result of beurocracy rather than the present Govt or any past Govt. The system simply cannot cater for every little scenario. You can't have a rule book that can cover everything and you can't have departments who are aware of what is going on in all other departments.

About time people stopped blaming the govt for every little hiccup or injustice.
 

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Sad state of affairs.

We need in our Government departments, people who have genuine compassion and empathy..would certainly make things a lot easier all around
Pfft.

Where do you draw the line? You're idea of empathy and passion is understanding and believing everyone's story and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Will lead to wide scale rorting of our social security and will open the floodgates to people who live in a society worse off (in terms of SOL and opportunity) than ours.

If all the govt departments were filled with people who thought like you our country go to the dogs. Thankfully not many people think like you and thankfully you're only a librarian.
 

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Pfft.

Where do you draw the line? You're idea of empathy and passion is understanding and believing everyone's story and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Will lead to wide scale rorting of our social security and will open the floodgates to people who live in a society worse off (in terms of SOL and opportunity) than ours.

If all the govt departments were filled with people who thought like you our country go to the dogs. Thankfully not many people think like you and thankfully you're only a librarian.
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Pfft.

Where do you draw the line? You're idea of empathy and passion is understanding and believing everyone's story and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Will lead to wide scale rorting of our social security and will open the floodgates to people who live in a society worse off (in terms of SOL and opportunity) than ours.

If all the govt departments were filled with people who thought like you our country go to the dogs. Thankfully not many people think like you and thankfully you're only a librarian.
Why does this post remind me of South Park last night, they took our jerbs. :D
 

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Pfft.

Where do you draw the line? You're idea of empathy and passion is understanding and believing everyone's story and giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Immigration basically has two sides; a smaller refugee side which has empathy and a business visa program which is larger that quite rightly has none. I am sure most people would agree Jobs for Australians first, if there is a shortage of a skill set or indeed no skill set, then you let in an overseas candidate. If the oveseas candidate wants to stay, fine as long as the Government thinks thier will be an ongoing need. For the last ten years or so, business visa's have been rejected if the individual or family memebers have any medical problem that could be a drain on the community.
 
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