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I think what Blues supporters should realise is not to panic at this stage in the competition. It's Round 4 and you played one of your fiercest rivals - of course it was going to go either way and be a full on contest! I wouldn't have it any other way.

Against Fremantle you should have a comprehensive win and be back to where you always are going to be in 2012 - a top 4 side.

It was a great game - next time we play I hope we're both at 100% strength and we can see another great show of footy!
 
40yearBLUE said:
Let me decipher that for you. We probably werent as on the front foot as they were? In other words, we raised the white flag. Just say it. We were challenged and didnt object to their challenge appropriately. I needed to see Lonergan rag dolled by multiple of our players. Perhaps even a mellee. I even saw the pea hearted Rider giving Hammer the treatment. We surrendered to their physical pressure. I said it at the ground, they hurt us physically and mentally. The physical we can easily deal with, the mental not so easily.

The rhetoric did not match the intent. We had been lied to. Lets see if the club underlines that performance or lack thereof and makes its on field talk more of a statement than the off field. Otherwise, its all just smoke mirrors and membership drives.
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So you want to see a melee every time someone is ridden to the ground in a tackle. If that were to happen the AFL coffers would be bloody full at seasons end.

It was a crude tackle and, whilst Carrazzo didn't look good, who would have known how bad it really was?

After all, Laidler looked gone for all money with his knee and I know that I would have seen Carrazzo as a better chance of returning than Laidler. Seen plenty of stingers that looked bad but the player returned none the worse.

What we didn't do was match their intensity for the rest of the game. If we had we'd have won and and the too often seen impotent and laughable chesting and pushing retaliation would have had no influence on the result.

I don't think we've been lied to. FFS we played an arch rival who always bring their A game for the first match of the year (they should have beaten us this time last year) and we were some distance off the form we displayed last week.

I just can't understand how we've gone from hard nosed heroes to soft ****** pretenders in one week.

It was disappointing but let's move on, regain the intensity and give Freo a whacking on their own dunghill. I expect our guys will be ready to run through brick walls by next Friday.
 
BLUES crusade said:
Midfield rotations including Curnow, Mclean, Carrazzo, Robinson & Scotland is far too slow for a game plan built on speed and spread.
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Agree, actually, before the game I was a bit concerned that we had both Curnow and McLean in the same team. I thought we'd go more one or the other.
 

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I think for a lot of supporters, it's worse cos it's a bitter rival, and the lack of effort, carazzo going down was massive, players going down can happen, we need to adjust, I feel we will bounce back, this loss will sit with the group....bombers had lots of motivation, we humiliated them in the finals, as someone else mentioned you can't afford to drop intensity a little these days, how they played was a mirror image of us last week, they controlled the tempo when needed and ran,

How they let stanton run amok :mad:

Our intensity, and hard at it was fine v collingwood ... Nothing went right yesterday

Anyways we move on
 
I do think ppl overexaggerate the loss cos it was arguably to our most bitter rival. We were terrible and not lot went right for us. But in saying that, the most disappointing aspect of yest is they are the games we need to win if we are to finish top 4. If we played WCE or Haw yest, we would have been flogged by 15 goals.
 
pepalenko said:
Would have been interesting to see the reaction if this foeum was around in 95 when we lost consecutive games to Swans and Saints. Not saying we will have the same kind of year (would be nice), but we were down today and Essendon were up for it. Goes to show how mental tgis game can be.
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Um, I was around for those games - let me assure you these were stunning aberrations which came out of absolutely no where and meant nothing to our positions as absolute masters of the comp.

Yesterday was not an aberration - we have seen it over and over again, yet we were being led to believe this kind of crap was behind us.

What bothers me is that we went down like pansies - on top of that the boys who go missing tend to be the same show boaters - Marc murphy is the only one who deserves to be wearing his ridiculous boy band hair cut - Gibs needs to knuckle down and become a man on the footy field before he sports his Boyz to Men hair cuts, while Yarren and Garlett are several years away from being the rock stars of the AFL they seem to think they are.

Just blows me away watching players putting in cameo performances with Liberace boots. Its completely the wrong image and message to be putting out there - it just wreaks of Farmer, Capper, w***er behaviour - needs to be stamped out.

Watching the Eagles Hawkes and Cats and there is one very, very clear message these teams are full of serious men playing a mans sport and are hard as nails - Carlton are a boy band concerned with fashion, looking good, are little boys prancing about like pansies in dancing with the stars - pretty boys.

If we play any of Eagles, Hawkes or Cats they are going to put us over their knee and give us a hiding like Mad Dog Morgan dealing with Peter Allen. Will not be pretty - there is no way we can go forward with this type of softness - and it surprises me greatly with Ratten and Sticks at the helm that this is happening.

Setanta would have belted Lonegran - would have run the field to do it, dont advocate it, but sure as shit would have fired up the team.

Bryce Gibbs needs to man the hell up - cut his hair, grow a sack.
 
audas said:
Um, I was around for those games - let me assure you these were stunning aberrations which came out of absolutely no where and meant nothing to our positions as absolute masters of the comp.

Yesterday was not an aberration - we have seen it over and over again, yet we were being led to believe this kind of crap was behind us.

What bothers me is that we went down like pansies - on top of that the boys who go missing tend to be the same show boaters - Marc murphy is the only one who deserves to be wearing his ridiculous boy band hair cut - Gibs needs to knuckle down and become a man on the footy field before he sports his Boyz to Men hair cuts, while Yarren and Garlett are several years away from being the rock stars of the AFL they seem to think they are.

Just blows me away watching players putting in cameo performances with Liberace boots. Its completely the wrong image and message to be putting out there - it just wreaks of Farmer, Capper, w***er behaviour - needs to be stamped out.

Watching the Eagles Hawkes and Cats and there is one very, very clear message these teams are full of serious men playing a mans sport and are hard as nails - Carlton are a boy band concerned with fashion, looking good, are little boys prancing about like pansies in dancing with the stars - pretty boys.

If we play any of Eagles, Hawkes or Cats they are going to put us over their knee and give us a hiding like Mad Dog Morgan dealing with Peter Allen. Will not be pretty - there is no way we can go forward with this type of softness - and it surprises me greatly with Ratten and Sticks at the helm that this is happening.

Setanta would have belted Lonegran - would have run the field to do it, dont advocate it, but sure as shit would have fired up the team.

Bryce Gibbs needs to man the hell up - cut his hair, grow a sack.
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Weren't pansies against colingwood, maybe us supporters need to 'man up'
Lets see how we respond, thats the judgement

Just sayin'
 
Ok this is why you play 22 home and away games before finals - to identify weaknesses. Yesterday was pathetic and I am still very mad, but we are 4 rounds in and in the top bracket of teams that can win this thing. The key points to take out of yesterday are:

1. Hardness - we need to shake aside the soft tag. That can only be done by beating hard teams like Hawthorn, Essendon etc that hit you time after time. The coaching staff should test the male ego of our boys this week - point to video showing them they were soft. We need to set a culture that says you look after your mates. If someone has a crack at one of our boys it is all in. If that means a few fines or even a few weeks suspension, so be it. You set the standard of hardness from next week and any player who doesn't live up to it spends a week in the reserves.

2. Remove the individual statements - coloured boots etc gone. We are a team not flashy individuals - reinforce that by removing the things that differentiate us. Also get rid of the flashy antics when we belt teams - it isn't a good look.

3. Team balance - it is clear we went in too slow yesterday. Someone said earlier you can't have Laidler, Duigan, Bower etc in same back line. Jamo is not quick and Hendo is average speed wise (both great defenders). Jamo, Hendo and Laidler are the 3 falls we take. Yarran and Tuohey/resting mid give pace. We need a lock down small defender in the back 6 - I believe Joseph can fill that role or Armfield. The key is to get the balance right. Same point in the midfield - you need the cream like Judd and Murphy and Simmo, but you also need the tough as nails (Robbo who else???) and taggers. The thing that annoyed me yesterday was the amount of zoning off in our midfield and defence. When you concede two goals in a row the team must be drilled to go into lock down mode - man on man and slow the game down. We have a habit of letting teams quickly score against us - that needs to end.

4. Our forward structure needs tweaking - you need two key forwards. Waite is one (but needs kicking practice) but he is a roaming CHF. We need the stay at home FF who creates a contest. That isn't Walker and Betts isn't big enough to be a leading FF against the best. We either play one of Hampson or Kreuzer as a permanent FF (and I believe it should be hampson - give him 10 games as a FF only) or bring in Rowe. That person's job is to be anchored to the forward 50 - no going up the ground, no rucking (that takes the key forward target out of the goal square). Around those two key targets we let Betts, Gartlett and Walker loose.

5. Body positioning and strength - someone needs to teach our KPP how to use their bodies. Particularly Hampson and Kreuzer - too often they get pushed out of contests. Waite does this very well. Hendo and Jamo above average. Our big men need to use their bulk.

Friday will tell us whether this is a top 4 team or not. I am expecting a tough as nails response where we absolutely punish the Dockers, not on the scoreboard (this will be very close), but at the contest. Ironically I think the Dockers are probably a bit soft - so one of the key parts of our game plan should be physical pressure. The coaching staff need to get the structure into the team and demand a physical effort.
 
I agree that sometimes its really just mental. I think physically we CAN match anyone.

Admittedly just before the Collingwood game I looked at both sides run out and I was a little concerned because the Pies, to me, overall looked like a bigger stronger side whilst we looked more like short people. But looked what happened. We were extremely hard at it and monstered them.

Essendon hardly strike me as a big tough team, they have a lot of dweeb-looking players running around too. It's amazing what a difference in intensity can do.
 
I'm pretty confused all-round about what happened yesterday. I didn't feel we "played like millionaires", because it wasn't showing off or being overly fancy that let us down. It was basics. Fumbled marks, fumbled gathers, guys falling over in contests. I lost count of how many scrubbed kicks we launched inside fifty. 12m kicks along the ground, or picking out a Essendon defender all alone. It was as though we turned up and were surprised there was a football game on.

Belted in clearances, definitely, but going forward... I can't remember a long kick where Hampson was the actual target? Instead of our "nominated kickers" delivering the ball it was Robinson on the left under pressure -> direct turnover. It was just a debacle. Very disappointing. Letting Stanton get THAT off the chain is also embarrassing. Are we saying Carrots is the only mid we have with a defensive game? WTF? How does a midfielder take 15+ uncontested marks without getting some serious attention.

Bah. Shocker.
 
blue healer said:
So you want to see a melee every time someone is ridden to the ground in a tackle. If that were to happen the AFL coffers would be bloody full at seasons end.

It was disappointing but let's move on, regain the intensity and give Freo a whacking on their own dunghill. I expect our guys will be ready to run through brick walls by next Friday.
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If you dont understand the importance of sending mental images as well as physical to both your opposition and your team mates then lets not bother debating it.

And yes, the beauty of the home and away season is that you get next week to atone and in some cases (fortunately for us the Bombers is one of them) you get another go around later in the year. Actions speak way louder than words, cliches like this dont become cliches for nothing. Lets see what their actions tell us. So far their actions have been sending very mixed messages.
 

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Bluesque said:
Weren't pansies against colingwood, maybe us supporters need to 'man up'
Lets see how we respond, thats the judgement

Just sayin'
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We were against Essendon - end of story. No one can deny it - even Ratten has acknowledged that.

The way the game is being played over the last ten years you can not afford to ever put in an effort like that - ever. Pies did against us last week and it was the end of the dynasty according to the media.


Just saying - next week is next week , if we just turn our backs and walk away from our failures then what the living hell have we learnt ? Whats the point in that.

You celebrate the wins and make that performance the standard - you take the losses and vilify yourself and SWEAR never to repeat it - you dont walk away from it and ignore it - you wear it, you understand it and you fix it.

And the lesson learned is we were a massive bunch of pansies running around like tinkerbell on pixie dust - we need to make personal committments to cut that crap out -

Just saying.
 
Daytripper said:
Any team that loses a runner for the full game early on is going to be in big trouble. Not only that, Laidler and Curnow looked to be hampered as well.

People can say that injuries during a game aren't an excuse but that's rubbish in my opinion. It puts fatigue on the remaining players out there and from fatigue comes mistakes. I would think a real positive from a Carlton point of view was how your guys were able to run out the game so strongly. That would indicate to me that your fitness blokes have done a good job

That said, happy that Essendon were able to take advantage of Carlton.
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Underrated post ! :thumbsu:
 
audas said:
We were against Essendon - end of story. No one can deny it - even Ratten has acknowledged that.

The way the game is being played over the last ten years you can not afford to ever put in an effort like that - ever. Pies did against us last week and it was the end of the dynasty according to the media.


Just saying - next week is next week , if we just turn our backs and walk away from our failures then what the living hell have we learnt ? Whats the point in that.

You celebrate the wins and make that performance the standard - you take the losses and vilify yourself and SWEAR never to repeat it - you dont walk away from it and ignore it - you wear it, you understand it and you fix it.

And the lesson learned is we were a massive bunch of pansies running around like tinkerbell on pixie dust - we need to make personal committments to cut that crap out -

Just saying.
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No denying it was a very poor effort, but lets see how they respond, see if they have learnt, this one will stick in their guts, no doubt, lets judge them after next week, maybe it was just a really bad day at the office, we all have them
 
audas said:
Um, I was around for those games - let me assure you these were stunning aberrations which came out of absolutely no where and meant nothing to our positions as absolute masters of the comp.

Yesterday was not an aberration - we have seen it over and over again, yet we were being led to believe this kind of crap was behind us.

What bothers me is that we went down like pansies - on top of that the boys who go missing tend to be the same show boaters - Marc murphy is the only one who deserves to be wearing his ridiculous boy band hair cut - Gibs needs to knuckle down and become a man on the footy field before he sports his Boyz to Men hair cuts, while Yarren and Garlett are several years away from being the rock stars of the AFL they seem to think they are.

Just blows me away watching players putting in cameo performances with Liberace boots. Its completely the wrong image and message to be putting out there - it just wreaks of Farmer, Capper, w***er behaviour - needs to be stamped out.

Watching the Eagles Hawkes and Cats and there is one very, very clear message these teams are full of serious men playing a mans sport and are hard as nails - Carlton are a boy band concerned with fashion, looking good, are little boys prancing about like pansies in dancing with the stars - pretty boys.

If we play any of Eagles, Hawkes or Cats they are going to put us over their knee and give us a hiding like Mad Dog Morgan dealing with Peter Allen. Will not be pretty - there is no way we can go forward with this type of softness - and it surprises me greatly with Ratten and Sticks at the helm that this is happening.

Setanta would have belted Lonegran - would have run the field to do it, dont advocate it, but sure as shit would have fired up the team.

Bryce Gibbs needs to man the hell up - cut his hair, grow a sack.
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Umm I was around in those days too and I remember a team that was knocked out in straight sets in '94 and tagged by all and sundry as being "too old - too slow". Also remember Parko saying we'd gone from the best side in the comp to the worst in 2 games.

You say we'd get a hiding from Eagles, Hawks and Cats, how do you account for an inferior team to this one going down by less than a kick to an Eagles side that was better than last nights?

Hawks and Cats have both lost 2 games so how much better are they really than us?

I saw your earlier post about last nights game and gotta say it was pretty ordinary. I would be confident that, if we played anywhere near our best, we'd handle both quite easily if that's all they can bring to the table.

Hair seems to be a serious issue with you, what is your preference mullet or SB&S and did you happen to notice some of the cuts on the Eagles boys?

Grow up, one swallow doesn't make a summer. We'll have bad games and be disappointed but as the season progresses I'm prepared to bet that there will be worse losses than that by top teams. Geelongs against North might already qualify.
 

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Well it seems like you guys will still be underestimating us come Rnd 21 too..

Likening this to 95 is laughable.. we weren't some cellar dwelling team that played out of their skins to beat you, we will be a Top 6 team this year and you may well still be a Top 4 team.. but I would argue that you, as a club, should not take clashes against fellow finals teams lightly.

AFL teams in the top 6-12 are often VERY close in terms of skills etc.. luck, injuries, form and intensity play big factors in victory or defeat. Bombers have also suffered for many years by not being able to get 'up' against the teams that are near us but need to be beaten.. (Port/North/Tigers) I always believed it was a mental thing and maybe your guys need to take a look at what happens to a potentially good season when you start to lose games you had pencilled in for a win.. looks ugly fairly quickly.
 
rines said:
Well it seems like you guys will still be underestimating us come Rnd 21 too..

Likening this to 95 is laughable.. we weren't some cellar dwelling team that played out of their skins to beat you, we will be a Top 6 team this year and you may well still be a Top 4 team.. but I would argue that you, as a club, should not take clashes against fellow finals teams lightly.

AFL teams in the top 6-12 are often VERY close in terms of skills etc.. luck, injuries, form and intensity play big factors in victory or defeat. Bombers have also suffered for many years by not being able to get 'up' against the teams that are near us but need to be beaten.. (Port/North/Tigers) I always believed it was a mental thing and maybe your guys need to take a look at what happens to a potentially good season when you start to lose games you had pencilled in for a win.. looks ugly fairly quickly.
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Dunno about 95, but youve apparently put last years elimination and round 20 matches behind you!
 
40yearBLUE said:
The rhetoric did not match the intent. We had been lied to. Lets see if the club underlines that performance or lack thereof and makes its on field talk more of a statement than the off field. Otherwise, its all just smoke mirrors and membership drives.
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This coming from the bloke who spent all last week telling us about the upcoming 100 point flogging? Amusing.


I dunno if the Blues did actually talk themselves up that much. Media had been - and there's enough Blues people in the media who trot it out every week.
Certainly Ratten was trying the cold-spoon approach, talking up our form pre-game. Perhaps he could've gone harder but you went in as flag favourites - very little you can do to escape the hype, in that position.
 
blue gunslinger said:
congrats lance
happy to see you turned up after the game
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Thanks mate, would have turned up for my medicine too if we'd lost.

Your boys will still finish top 4 IMO, hopefully lessons are learned, and I'm sure it's no consolation, but it's another chapter in this epic rivalry and just shows why we're so passionate and hate each other so much :thumbsu:
 
Now that I've had some time to calm down and think, it doesn't seem as bad.

We were pretty even with CP, even had more hard ball gets IINM or would've atleast broke even. We had 1 MORE mark I50 than they did, took 2 more contested marks, 5 more inside 50's. Only 3 less Clearances even though it felt like we got smashed in that department.

Here's the negatives; -20 uncontested possessions, nearly 40 less kicks but 20 more handballs which shows we stuffed around with it when we had it, we took 2 more contested marks yet they still had 27 more marks than us overall. We didn't work hard enough simple as that. Yes we had 4 injured players, but only 1 was serious, the other 3 were still able to play but Laidler was clearly struggling. Now here's the biggest one for me, 15 more clangers. For a side that's meant to have more talent and skill it shocks me to see something like that. There's no excuse for that, you can't blame rotations that's the unbelievable stat for me.

Now, one could argue that tired players don't dispose of the ball as effectively and can't chase as hard because the rotations hurt us. To that I say that's a bullshit excuse. We were running all over them in the last quarter (you know, when the effect of less rotations should have hurt us the most) Where we lost the game was that DREADFUL second quarter. We were even playing all over them for most of the third quarter but couldn't convert set shots if our lives depended on it, whereas they'd take it off the rebound and score goals.

The mistakes in decision making were unreal for a side claiming they want to finish top 4. In that third quarter, Murphy was running towards goal from about 40 out directly in front and instead of taking the shot, he decides to try and pass to Betts who has Fletcher right on him. Waite missing a shit load of set shots, Simpson missing them on the run. It was so uncharacteristic.

I would love to just call this one an aberration, but it's happened too many times against this mob. They just worked harder to spread and provide options for their team mates. That's why they had a lot more uncontested possessions and that's why we were beat. And this is what frustrates the lot of us the most because if there's any team that we want them to bring full intesity against it's this mob and when we play them with a lack of effort it stings bad.

After watching how hard the Hawks and Eagles were going at it it's no surprise we lost to these teams last year. The Bombers have the ability to bring the hard edge game but they aren't consistent enough with it and when the season reaches the later stages their intensity drops off which is the reason why we belted them the last 2 times prior to yesterday.

We keep cracking against teams willing to come at us hard. It's almost like we get intimidated and crawl up into a ball and say this is too hard for us. The good news is, Ratten said this in response to the loss yesterday so at least he's aware of it and will definitely address it to the playing group.

Now, I expect us to bounce back hard and win every game until we play the Eagles in Perth and the Hawks. We need to be hard at every single contest and smash teams into the ground not just belt them based on our skill and talent.
 

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