B Section 2010

[uglydermie]

Did Shanahan step aside or was he not required? When do you expect Maxy H to sign?

 

[bouncing back]

Did Shanahan step aside or was he not required? When do you expect Maxy H to sign?

his business commitments and his part time role at the maggies would make him an extremely doubtful starter.

 

[GetOverIt]

Surely Loewe, Seccull and co cant/wont go on next year? I have heard Joel Smith and Aussie Jones are playing as well.

 

[Ryeboy]

Joel Smith earns too much at Balwyn, Seccull will go on cause he loves it. As for Austin Jones, he could't run a lap of a goal square so would be highly unlikely!

 

[uglydermie]

Joel Smith has been interviewed for at least one div 1 EFL coaching role.

 

[superfreak]

Aussie Jones is coaching Beaconsfield.....wont be at OH.

 

[Jascave]

When does the VAFA fixtures for the 2010 season come out?

 

[Cardio Carl]

When does the VAFA fixtures for the 2010 season come out?

1st week in December Jas

 

[oc37]

1st week in December Jas

Some interesting proposals form the ammos today
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SEMINAR TOPICS FOR CLUB CONSIDERATION
Re-branding of Senior Sections, Re-alignment of Under 19’s and the
Introduction of a Thirds Competition. (Proposed by VAFA)
A) Introduction of a Thirds Competition and Re-Alignment of Under 19’s
Preamble
The population of Victoria has changed over the past 15 years with more young
males in the age group of 15 – 25. Bernard Silk of KPMG has stated that these
are important times to engage young people in sport, as there are increased
numbers which won’t exist in the next decade.
The VAFA have engaged these young players to the competition with five strong
Under 19 divisions and a new Under 18 competition that looks like fielding two
divisions in 2010. However is the competition providing the correct transition for
these under age players into our senior sections? I believe this can be improved
hence the addition of a new Thirds competition.
In our Club XVIII competition we now have a number of clubs that use this
competition as Thirds.
The Club XVIII was purely a social competition not designed as a Third XVIII
competition. Having our young 20 year olds and left over under-age players
matching against more physical and heavier social players who don’t train is not
the most attractive proposal.
For the Association, the Club XVIII is our biggest risk with sub-standard officials,
a lack of medical staff and few volunteers to complete the required tasks.
Proposal
1. To introduce a Third XVIII competition, which will be compulsory for A Section
clubs in 2010 and beyond.
2. In 2012, introduce the Third XVIII as compulsory in B Section and in 2014 C
Section.
3. To align U19 Premier to A Section
4. In A, you would have 1sts, 2nds, 3rds and U19’s with all four teams playing
each other on the same day. 1sts and 2nds at home and 3rds and U19s
away.
5. The introduction of an A Section Champion with weighted points allocated to
the 1sts (4x), 2nds (2x), 3rds (1x) and Under 19’s (3x) could be introduced. In
time this could be added to the B and S Sections
6. In the B Section competition in 2010, there would be 1sts and 2nds and as
many B Section clubs with Thirds, supplemented by any clubs from lower
divisions who want a Thirds team.
Benefits
1. The Thirds would play 18 rounds per year rather than the current 15.
2. Higher self esteem for young people playing in their club’s Thirds than the
clubbies.
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3. Make the transition from under age football to the senior competition easier
for the young players.
4. To make the clubs Third XVIII under greater control of the club therefore
making the experience of football more organised and credible for our young.
5. Increases the talent pools at clubs.
6. Better integration of clubs in A Section and in time B and C Sections, as you
will be fixtured to play a club in 3 or 4 teams rather than having four teams
playing three different clubs.
7. Clubs entering A Section will need quality through the four teams
8. Clubs entering the three highest sections will need a correct pathway in place
therefore increasing the strength of the competitions.
9. There is a clear distinction in our sections making clubs take on more as they
climb up the grades. Section D1 – D4 allows for clubs with two teams and will
cater for clubs with Under 19, Thirds and Club XVIII. B and C Section will add
the compulsory Thirds team and A will add the Under 19’s.
10. Clubs who are having an issue with their Club XVIII team will now have the
opportunity to reassess their aims for that team.
11. Places more emphasis on clubs to ensure they have more depth in their
seniors and quality in their juniors at the higher end.
12. Club XVIII would be back to its original intention – a social competition.
13. The VAFA administration, including umpiring, would have a tighter control
over the Thirds than currently exists in the Club XVIII.
Short Term Effect on Competition in 2010
1. In 2010 six of our A Section clubs already have a genuine Thirds team – Old
Xaverians, De La Salle, Uni Blues, St Bede’s Mentone Tigers, Old Scotch and
Old Melburnians. Three of the other four sides have a mixture of social and
leftovers with Marcellin mainly a social team.
2. In 2010 at least 6 of our U19 sides would be in Premier anyway – De La
Salle, Old Xaverians, Uni Blues, Old Scotch (The top 4 from last year), St
Bede’s Mentone Tigers and Old Melburnians. The bottom two sides from this
year’s Premier Marcellin and Old Trinity would remain. Old Brighton (U19
South 1 Grand Finalists) and Collegians would be promoted. Beaumaris (5th),
Uni Blacks (7th), Rupertswood (8th) and Old Camberwell (North 1 premiers)
would play in the re-named Section 1.
3. In time all clubs in B and C Sections will also field 1sts, 2nds and 3rds, with
the 3rds comp aligned with their seniors and reserves.
4. It is not the intention to align Under Age teams with senior teams, other than
A Section.
B) Re-Branding Of Senior Sections
Proposal:
As we are changing the nature of the competition we think it is an excellent time
to re-brand the sections:
• A would become Premier Football
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• B and C would be re-named.
• D1 to D4 would be called Division 1 to Division 4.
Benefits:
• To change A Section to Premier Football promotes the inference that this is
the highest standard and best competition in Victoria not just in the VAFA.
• Aligning our brand alongside Premier Cricket, the highest in the state.
• The naming of Premier Football allows the reserves to be renamed Premier
Seconds and the Thirds, Premier Thirds. A familiar name for the young
players, due to Premier Cricket, and shows that they are aligned to the
Premier Section not just playing in a random Thirds competition.
• B and C Sections, when re-named, would also have the same naming with
their seconds and Thirds.
• The A section name and traditions are only known in our community but we
are trying to envelope people from outside our community
• D1 to D4 clubs as they will be known as Division 1 through to Division 4. This
helps when dealing with all outside agencies including councils for funding,
recruiting of players and their standing in the community.
Composition of the Senior Sections
2010/2011
Section Teams
A – Premier Football Seniors, reserves, Thirds and Under 19’s
B - Re-named Seniors, seconds and Thirds available for all other clubs
in the VAFA
C – D4 – Re-named Same
2012/2013
Section Teams
A – Premier Football Seniors, reserves, Thirds and Under 19’s
B - Re-named Seniors, seconds and Thirds
C – Re-named Seniors, seconds and Thirds available for all other clubs in
the VAFA
D1 – D4 – Re-named Same
2014+
Section Teams
A – Premier Football Seniors, reserves, Thirds and Under 19’s
B - Re-named Seniors, seconds and Thirds
C – Re-named Seniors, seconds and Thirds
D1 – Re-named Seniors, seconds and Thirds available for all other clubs in
the VAFA
D2 – D4 – Re-named Same
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Sunday games at SCA to commence at 1.15pm (proposed by VAFA)
With the working week commencing the following day, it would benefit club
administrators, officials, players and families if the games concluded at 3.30
rather than 4.30. It gets very cramped completing duties and everybody’s mind
seems to be on the time constraints rather than enjoying the post match.
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Five year history at tribunal (proposed by VAFA)
Current Rule
2.3.10 Penalties given
(a) If a player has been found guilty of a previous offence during the past five
years, this will be taken into account when setting the penalty.
Proposed rule
2.3.10 Penalties given
(a) If a player has been found guilty of a previous offence during the past five
seasons, prior to the current one, this will be taken into account when setting
the penalty.
Rationale
Clubs were stating that it was five years to the day from the offence rather than
five seasons which is the intention of the rule. There is a need to clarify the
wording.
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Nineteen men on the ground – penalty at time of offence. (proposed by
VAFA & Uni Blues)
Current rule
5.5.3 Players Exceeding Permitted Number
Where a Team has more than the permitted number of players on the Playing
Surface, the following shall apply:
(a) a field umpire shall award a Free Kick to the captain or acting captain of the
opposing team, which shall be taken at the Centre Circle or where play was
stopped, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending team.
(b) a Twenty-Five (25) Metre Penalty shall then be imposed from the position
where the Free Kick was awarded;
Proposed rule
5.5.3 Players Exceeding Permitted Number
Where a Team has more than the permitted number of players on the Playing
Surface, the following shall apply:
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(a) a field umpire shall award a Free Kick to the captain or acting captain of the
opposing team a free kick at the top of the attacking goal square.
Rationale:
• The construction of the free kick is currently confusing.
• Small penalty at the time for a serious break of the rules.
• Clean, strong penalty at the time and gets the game moving again.
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Conduct Unbecoming on the VAFA website (proposed by St Johns)
When an individual has been reported under the conduct unbecoming rule and
been proven guilty, then the person should be named on the website and in the
record and not the club.
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Naming the charged and witness on the website (proposed by VAFA)
Current
We name all witness and charged to be in attendance at the tribunal without
differentiating between the two.
Proposal: We would prefer to name those charged and the witness on the
website.
Rationale:
• Stop answering phone calls from the public about who is charged and
who are the witnesses
• People assume that those in attendance have been charged and
therefore this implicates unnecessarily the defendants.
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Video access for umpires at tribunal (proposed by VAFA)
Current Rule
2.3.6 Use of video at tribunal.
If a club wishes to make use of a video at a tribunal hearing, should video be
available.
Proposed rule
2.3.6 Use of video at tribunal.
If a party to a report wishes to make use of a video at a tribunal hearing, should
video be available.
Rationale
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All parties, including the umpires, should be able to produce a video to the
tribunal.
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Timekeeping (proposed by VAFA)
a) Proposal:
That one time clock is used to time a match. The “home” timekeeper is
responsible for the operation of the clock, with the “away” timekeeper observing
ensuring that the match is being timed correctly, with their clock being used as a
back-up mechanism. If the “away” timekeeper feels that the match is being time
incorrectly they can refer the “home” official to the VAFA Handbook or report the
matter to the umpire at the next quarter break. The umpire can report the matter
on the incident report sheet which enables the VAFA to follow up accordingly.
Rationale:
During the 2009 season, we had a number of cases where the timekeepers failed
to keep in sync with the timing of matches. One case led to an investigation over
the result of a match and another (personally observed) led to squabbling
between timekeepers as to whose clock was correct. The more they argued the
more their timings become removed.
b) Proposal
Prior to the commencement of the season, one timekeeper from each club to
attend a meeting to fully explain the rules.
Rationale:
There is too much confusion and conflict.
Advocates at Tribunal Hearings (proposed by VAFA)
During the season there were a number of queries in relation to advocates at
tribunal hearings.
Proposed change
Schedule “A” 18 (c) – add (iv) cannot appear as a witness.
18. (c) Where the reported player or umpire appears with an
advocate, the advocate -
(i) may ask questions on behalf of the reported player of
any witness called before the Tribunal;
(ii) may ask questions of the reported player;
(iii) may make oral submissions to the Tribunal on behalf
of the reported player.
(iv) cannot appear as a witness.
Rationale:
Brings Tribunal Rule in line with Investigation guideline regarding Advocates.
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Investigation Rule Change (proposed by Old Xaverians)
Proposal
Rule 124A add the words “In relation to matters arising in round 18 or in a
finals match (other than a grand final), before 3 pm on the Monday
following the playing of the match”.
124A. A protest or complaint or charge which a person, player or Club wishes to
be investigated by the Board or its delegated sub-committee against any
other person or player or Club shall be submitted to the Chief Executive
Officer of the Association not later than 3pm on the Wednesday following
the match in which the same is alleged to have arisen. In relation to
matters arising in round 18 or in a finals match (other than a grand
final), before 3 pm on the Monday following the playing of the match.
The protest, complaint or charge shall be accompanied by a fee of
$200.00. If the protest, complaint or charge relate to matters arising out of
more than one incident, the Chief Executive Officer, in consultation with
the Chairman of the Investigations and Tribunals Sub-Committee, may
require a fee in excess of $200 (but in any event not more than $200 in
relation to each such protest, complaint or charge) to be lodged before the
same is to be investigated by the Board. The fee deposited pursuant to
this sub-rule may be forfeited in whole or in part if the Board considers any
such protest, complaint or charge to be frivolous.
Proposal:
Rule 124A b) delete the words “before 3 pm on the Monday following the
playing of the match. These investigations must be heard”.
The protest, complaint or charge shall be heard by the appropriate body –
a) in relation to matters arising in rounds 1-17, on the second Tuesday
following the match in which the same is alleged to have arisen.
b) in relation to matters arising in round 18 or in a finals match (other
than a grand final), before 3 pm on the Monday following the
playing of the match. These investigations must be heard on or
before the Thursday following the match in which the alleged
complaints arose.
c) in relation to matters arising in a grand final, on a date to be
determined by the Chief Executive Officer.
Rationale:
Rule 124A. The rewording is required to cover the timeline for Round 18 and final
matches (excluding Grand finals).
124A b) changes to fall in line with a) and c) – when the cases will be heard.
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Tribunal (proposed by Williamstown)
a) Proposal: We have just the one submission for a rule change and that is that
there ought to be an appeal mechanism for players reported for offences ‘above
the line’ [part (i) of the Report of Umpire form - option for prescribed penalty or
tribunal hearing].
Rationale
It is illogical for an appeal mechanism to exist for offences covered in part (ii) but
not for offences covered by part (i).
b) Proposal: The wording of rule 119A parts [a] & makes the intent of the rule
unclear. Is it that both a & b are required for an appeal to be lodged or is it a or b
[which has an entirely different implication]
Current rule:
119A. An appeal from a decision of the Tribunal shall be permitted –
(a) if the charge against the player is one within part (ii) of the Report of
Umpires form (Schedule D of the VAFA Rules) under the heading “Charges
MUST be heard by Tribunal
(b) if the appeal is notified to the Chief Executive Officer not later than 3.00
pm on the day after the Tribunal hearing. The notification of the appeal must be
accompanied by the prescribed appeal fee of $750. If the appeal is successful,
$500 of the fee will be refunded.
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Kick in after a point (proposed by VAFA)
Current Rule
13.3 GOAL UMPIRE MUST FINISH WAVING FLAGS
A player from the defending team may only kick the football into play when the
Goal Umpire has completed waving the flag to signal that a Behind has been
scored. If a defending Player kicks the football before this time, the field Umpire
shall direct the Player to kick the football again.
Proposed Rule
13.3 KICK INTO PLAY AFTER GOAL UMPIRE SIGNAL
A player from the defending team may kick the football into play when the Goal
Umpire has signaled that a behind has been scored.
Rationale
• The problem that was foreseen club goal umpires hasn’t
eventuated in other leagues
• Come in line with AFL rules
• The game has become more free flowing as a result
• It is a skill of the game that should be encouraged
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• We play it in most representative matches
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Finals Policy (proposed by VAFA)
a) Proposal:
That the grounds schedule for finals not be released until the week prior to the
matches. Clubs will be advised of match times and dates (with some degree of
flexibility), however the grounds where these matches will be played will not be
released until the combatants and their finals placing are decided.
Rationale:
Enables us to move games without the clubs having issues with information
already been distributed to players, officials and supporters when changes are
forced upon us by outside factors. It also allows us to ensure that matches are
scheduled to ensure crowd maximisation and ease the volunteer burden on clubs
should they have clashes with other grade finals.
b) Proposal:
That an official guideline be introduced that when it suits the majority of clubs and
as long as none of the clubs are “severely” impacted, Reserves finals may be
moved to ease volunteer burden on clubs and maximise attendances.
Rationale:
When changes were made in this years finals series, those objecting to moves
that where made demanded to see an official VAFA policy relating to the
scheduling of Reserves finals.
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Finals eligibility – Club XVIII players to reserves finals (proposed by VAFA)
Proposal:
To allow players who are eligible for Club XVIII finals to be automatically eligible
for Reserves finals. Therefore, if they have played their 4 matches in the Club
XVIII and become eligible for that finals series they can be selected in Reserves
finals even though they may have not played the 4 Reserves matches needed to
qualify for Reserves Second Round matches.
Rationale:
The majority of Club XVIII sides have become genuine 3rds teams and this
allowance enables players to be selected for higher grade finals should the need
arise (i.e. injuries, unavailability etc.). On the negative, quality Club XVIII players
could be promoted to the Reserves to prop up their finals chances however
anecdotally it would be hard to see Club XVIII players having a dramatic impact
on Reserve finals.
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Finals eligibility for U19 players (proposed by VAFA, De La Salle,
Beaumaris)
Current rule relating to U19 qualifications states: “Players must be registered
and hold a permit. If a player has played 6 or more senior and reserve matches
he must have played 6 or more Under-19 matches during the season.
Where a Club is represented in a match in the Second Round of the Senior
Grade OR Reserve Grade on the same day OR on the same weekend the 6
match provision above shall not apply.”
Proposed change to the rule to state: “Players must be registered and hold a
permit. If a player has played 6 or more senior and reserve matches he must
have played 6 or more Under-19 matches during the season.
Where a Club is represented in a match in the Second Round of the Senior
Grade on the same day OR on the same weekend the 6 match provision
above shall not apply. Where a Club is represented in a match in the
Second Round of the Reserve Grade on the same day OR on the same
weekend the 6 match provision above shall not apply only if the player has
met the eligibility criteria for Second Round Reserve matches.”
Rationale:
In the 2009 finals series, we had some U19 players who played in the seniors all
year become eligible for U19 finals because their club’s Reserves where playing
in finals on the same day or weekend. This anomaly is unfair to the opposition.
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Finals eligibility for U18 & U19 players 2 (proposed by VAFA)
Proposal:
To be eligible for U18 and U19 finals, registered players must have played at
least 2 Round 1 matches for that club.
Rationale:
Currently, players only have to be registered to be eligible for U18 and U19
finals. Clubs are registering school and junior players by the required timeframes
(July 31st for U18/U19 players) and bringing them into compete in finals once
their school and junior commitments have ceased. For example, an Old Boy’s
club can register gun school players and bring them into U18/U19 finals without
them having played a game for the club during the season. Alternatively, a
district club can register exceptional juniors and bring them into finals sides
without them having played a match. Both these cases can affect the integrity of
the matches and goes against the spirit of finals competition.
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Grand Final Best on Ground Medals – panel rather than umpires. (proposed
by VAFA)
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Current Practice
At the conclusion of the match the ground manager goes to the umpires and
requests the name of the best on ground.
Proposed change
A panel of two or three independent observers be charged with assessing who
the Best on Ground is.
Rationale
• Umpires’ focus on GF day should be on getting their decisions
correct the flow of the game and not on individual player
performances.
• They do not have a cooling down period and time for discussion in
the hurly burly of the after match and presentations.
• A panel, whose sole focus is to watch for the best players in the
match, would be in a better position to make a more thoughtful
decision.
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Best on Ground in Reserve Grade Finals (proposed by VAFA)
Proposal:
That Reserves Grand Finals have a “Best on Ground” Medal awarded.
Rationale:
Every other section of the VAFA has a Best on Ground medal awarded for Grand
Finals.
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Structure of Under 18 (proposed by VAFA)
Proposal:
Given the strong interest in the U18 competition for 2010 and the likelihood that
the number of teams entered will enable two sections, it is proposed that the
competition be structured as follows:
a) Competing teams are divided into two sections based on geography with
the best fit most likely to be a North / South classification.
b) At the half way mark of the 2010 season, the Sections are divided based
on competitiveness into Section 1 and Section 2. This is an equal divide
based on ladder position.
Rationale:
This provides the “best of both worlds” for competing teams. They are able to
limit travel in the early part of the season when recruiting players etc., then slot
into a Section based on their competitive strengths in the second half of the
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season leading into finals. This structure ensures that “blow-outs” and
competitive imbalances are limited, without the impression that teams are being
graded. The geographical sections could be named North and South
Conferences which alludes to the fact that they will be consolidated at the half
way stage.
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Overage Players in U18 (proposed by VAFA)
Proposal:
That the number of U19 players eligible to play in the U18 competition be limited
to a maximum of 4 each week. Players will still need weekly approval in order
that Operations can monitor the overage players being selected.
Rationale:
Whilst the overage players competing in the U18 competition in 2009 had no
impact on the integrity of the competition, it was concerning that some clubs had
as many as 6-8 U19 players being sent back to the U18s. In one case this was
due to quality U18 players being selected in the U19s ahead of lesser quality
U19 players. The limited of 4 will still allow clubs to give U19 players missing a
game the opportunity to play without allowing clubs to operate outside of the
spirit of the allowance.
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Number of interchange in Under 19’s (proposed by FITZROY)
The rule change I would like to comment on is the fact that in the Under 19s
there are six players on the interchange bench.
The whole purpose of the Under 19 competition is to bridge the gap between
junior and senior football and to prepare the players to play senior football. That's
why we play at 2 p.m. on Saturday, the same as the seniors. With that in mind, I
ask why we field two extra players than the seniors?
The argument for having two extra players when it came in a couple of years ago
was that it provides two more players the chance to play. Whilst that is good in
theory, it actually impacts on the game time that a player can spend on the
ground, and becomes counter-productive to improving your football.
With Fitzroy having two Under 19 teams, I have players that tell me they would
rather play a full game in the twos than a half or less in the ones. It also impacts
on and compromises me as a coach; I am taking players off and making change
simply for the sake of "giving a kid a run." Quite often I would rather let the game
sit, but I have to take off a player that is playing okay just for the sake of putting
someone on. This can completely unbalance the side and change the course of
the game.
I know the VAFA argue that we don't have to field six, we could in fact only have
four on the bench, but that creates an unequal playing field if we go into the
game with four and the other team has six. If we both have the four to start with,
we are on equal footing, then it becomes a matter of using the four effectively.
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Every other competition in the land gets by with four on the bench, from AFL
through to TAC Cup, so why can't we? I just think that by having six on the
bench, it is fostering a "junior mentality" and it is completely unnecessary.
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Emergency Umpires in Junior Grand Finals (proposed by VAFA)
Proposal:
All U19 and U18 Grand Finals are to have Emergency Field Umpires allocated.
Rationale:
An emergency umpire is able to assist with the control of any unsightly incidents
occurring behind play as well as providing backup systems should any unforseen
circumstances occurring within the umpiring group. The image and reputation of
the VAFA’s underage competition is of the highest standard and we should be
doing everything in our power to ensure that image and reputation is protected.
An emergency umpire portrays professionalism and helps to ensure any
unsavoury act or incident is not missed and diffused quickly, particularly when it
involves adolescence.
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Length of Quarters (proposed by VAFA)
Proposal:
Timing of matches for 2010 Home and Away Season:
Seniors: 20 minutes plus time-on
Reserves & Club XVIII: 25 minutes no time-on
U19 (2pm matches): 20 minutes plus time-on
U19 (all other times): 25 minutes no time-on
U18: 25 minutes no time-on
Timing of matches for 2010 Finals Series:
Seniors & U19: 20 minutes plus time-on
Reserves, Club XVIII & U18: 17 minutes plus time-on
Rationale:
All finals matches need to include time-on to ensure the integrity of the match.
Home and Away season U18 matches increase from 20 minutes with no time-on
to 25 minutes with no time-on to increase the actual playing time that their skill
level demands. 20 minutes with no time-on is also the timing used for junior
matches so increasing this time assists with the “senior” feel of the matches,
making that break from junior football.
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Water Carriers
Fitzroy proposal
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In the VAFA Official Fixture Handbook document, under Laws of Australian
Football (involving VAFA By-Laws) section 6.1(b)(iii) states that water carriers
can only enter the field of play once a goal has been scored. The Heat Policy
from the start of season 2008 provides an exception to the rules relating to water
carrying if the temperature is 30oc or higher and has been announced to be in
effect on the VAFA website, either day before or day of match.
The Fitzroy Football Club (incorporating the Fitzroy Reds) is proposing an
amendment to the rules relating to water carriers to allow them to enter the field
of play in any quarter where no goal has been scored after the first 10 minutes,
duration not playing time, of that quarter. The water carriers will have to adhere
to all other rules such as they not go within 50 metres of play, and not interfere in
any way with play. This amendment will ensure both clubs and the Association
are providing appropriate duty of care to players.
Or Old Scotch proposal
As requested on 23/09/09, we seek to amend Rule 6.1(b)(iii) to allow water
carriers to deliver water while the player is taking a set shot and up until the ball
is bounced in the centre to restart play, not limited to only ... “after a goal is
scored and before the ball is bounced in the centre to restart play” (Page 53).
Or Beaumaris proposal
Rule 6.1 (iii) is clear that water carriers are to deliver water after a goal has been
scored and before the ball is bounced in the centre to restart play. Under 6.1 (v)
the water carriers are not to deliver messages to players or remain on the ground
once water has been delivered. Our observation is that neither is being policed
by the umpires so why have the rule? In any event, we believe that if strictly
enforced, it could give rise to health and safety rules in a low scoring game on a
hot day. We believe either some discretion be allowed for the umpires to
increase the number of times water carriers are allowed on field or a limit be
placed on the number of times it occurs which could be policed by the
interchange steward. If the limit is exceeded, a free kick is awarded to the
opposition from the centre circle.
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Ground Changes (proposed by Beaumaris)
Rule 3.9 - In Round 4 our under 19s Premier section experienced a situation this
year where a ground change was made by Xavier (of which were notified about
on the Thursday night before), from Stradbroke Park to MacLeay Park. On
arrival it became apparent that MacLeay Park was not suitable for a number of
reasons. Another venue was chosen hastily and the game commenced. This
situation could have been avoided. The fact that Stradbroke Park was unsuitable
for playing must have been known for some time because of its condition after
summer and the fact that it was scheduled for Round 4. We believe that the rules
should be amended to make it mandatory that ground changes must be notified
to the opposition at least a week before the game is due to be played and that an
inspection be carried out by the VAFA before approval to change is granted.
15
Game forfeits (proposed by Beaumaris)
During the year our Under 19 Premier section team experienced a unique
situation. It was against Marcellin where they forfeited the game at half time
because they had incurred a number of injuries. Marcellin were offered to
continue but declined. Beaumaris were awarded a percentage based on the half
time score. Although this result ultimately had no impact on Beaumaris making
the finals because it finished one game plus percentage out of the final four, it
could have. It also impacts League and club best and fairest voting. It is our
understanding that no League votes were awarded for the match. Either Rule
10.7 should be amended to expressly state that if a team has the requisite
numbers at the start of the game, then once the game is started it cannot be
forfeited. Alternatively, if it is forfeited after the game has started the fine needs
to be increased to say $1,000 or $1,500.
Senior eligibility for finals (proposed by Beaumaris)
We believe that even though a senior player may have a permit before 30 June,
there must be a requisite number of games played by that person, before they
can play senior finals. Apart from VFL and TAC cup players there is currently no
limit. Accordingly, an ex-AFL player can sit out the whole season and still play
finals. We believe this is unfair and should be changed.
Under 19 vote count night (proposed by VAFA)
Current:
At the presentation night the Under 18 and 19 best and fairest awards were
announced and the winner came up and received their medal.
Proposal:
In line with the success of the senior best and fairest awards we have a vote
count for the 5 under 19 and 2 under 18 best and fairest.
Rationale:
• The under age competitions are our life blood and we should be promoting
these competitions.
• It was too hidden amongst the Senior Best and fairest awards.
• A vote count would bring together the best 10 players from each of the
sections adding to the camaraderie of the competition.
• Give the opportunity to highlight our under age representative teams.
16
Clubs to submit senior teams by midnight Thursday prior to games.
(proposed by VAFA)
Current:
Clubs have no time limits on submission of lists and many clubs name larger
squads which are not changed on-line before the Monday morning deadline.
These squads are usually not available publically until after the game has been
played, unless the VAFA synchronises their database before the game.
Rationale:
• The changes to operating software will mean that details will appear
immediately they are entered, without synchronisation. In order that
results are entered accurately and in a timely fashion on Saturdays, it is
imperative that the lists online are as close as possible to the team that
played.
• Imposing a deadline on clubs to list their teams will generate great
discussion on Friday, as happens in other competitions and will mean
greater number of revenue generating hits to vafa.com.au
• Early submission will enable better discussion from our media, who will be
able to openly discuss notable changes to teams.
• There is no reason that a veil of secrecy should surround team selection in
the VAFA. Other competitions impose a deadline.
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[Ryeboy]

Sounds like Sholly and his private school hobknobs are finally working towards a fully fledged ex school competition. Very hard for some schoolboy clubs let alone district clubs to get a competitive thirds team. To make teams stay below D1 if they can't get a thirds team is a disgrace. If it ain't broke don't fix it!

This will be the end of the amateurs!

 

[Scribe]

A few good points in there. I like the idea of differentiating between the alleged offender and the victim/witness in the Tribunal Attendance notices. Also think bringing the kick in rule into line with the AFL is a monty to get up.

As for the restructure of the competition, in the long term it will be very effective. As it stands now, there might be a couple of A/B section clubs which will struggle to field the 4 (mandatory?) sides. I think both Old Haileybury and Old Ivanhoe only fielded 3 teams each in 2009, so they would both have to work hard to recruit more players. However, given they're both in B section for 2010, they've got 2 seasons to get things moving, unless the senior side manages to get the club promoted for 2011. All A section clubs for 2010 already meet the mark with 4 sides being fielded.

Having said that, I would presume there'd be no hard and fast penalty for failure to field the requisite number of sides. Perhaps a fine of sorts rather than something as serious as demotion/relegation for the club as a whole.

I think its a very good idea, and it may assist in clubs being able to have some volunteers 'double up' on game day without having to travel to get from one ground to another (i.e. they'd be either home with the 1st/2nds or away with the 3rds/U19s from 11.30am until 5pm).

 

[Jascave]

The interesting thing for me to come out of the seminar notes would be (apart from the restructure of the VAFA comp-possibly one of the biggest changes in the VAFA's history-wait for the backlash to come from traditionalists) is that clubs submit their teams to the VAFA by midnight Thursday prior to games so it can be put up on the VAFA's website by Friday morning. What are the VAFA going to do-have a VAFA version of 'League Teams' on the website?

I do agree with Scribe however re the Tribunal/Investigations listing. It can be confusing to work out when reading the VAFA's website and seeing the players that are coming before the Tribunal on a Tuesday night which one was reported and which player is going to be the witness at the Tribunal hearing. It saves everyone who's using the website to work out which players are reported rather than lumping both the reported players & the witness in together.

Another interesting point is that the VAFA will appoint a panel of 3judges to vote on the medal for the best player on the ground at a VAFA grand final, rather than the umpires. I think this is a good idea, because as we all know the umpires on grand final day have already got enough troubles to deal with such as paying free kicks, breaking up brawls/fights, worrying about their own performance etc.

 

[AM]

Seems to me much of it is peripheral. Changing things like the voting in GF’s to the AFL model; renaming the grades; coming into line with the AFL by allowing players to kick in immediately after behinds; earlier commencement of Sunday games and so on aren’t much more than a bit of streamlining. All worthwhile though.

The suggestion of changing ClubXV111 to a thirds comp is commendable. I doubt the A grade clubs would see it as a stretch and because the proposal is to roll it out over years I don’t see it as a major issue for B and C grade clubs either. My main concern is producing umpires of a reasonable standard to cover the third level, because the standard this year in ClubXV111 has been ordinary.

I wonder whether this proposal and the push for more U18 teams also has a bit to do with putting the squeeze on the SFL which seems to have quietly but effectively become the MSJFLs major partner – an area once very much the preserve of the ammos for both umpires and players.

 

[bouncing back]

while ryeboy is over the top i sort of agree that it will be tougher for district sides to get together competitive 3rds.

why is this topic buried here? it should be a separate thread.

 

[bedford]

Interesting to see a timekeepers course proposed, also the waterboys issue has to be looked at

 

[Max Leader]

Old Ivanhoe has appointed Craig Hunter as senior coach for season 2010.

Craig has spent the past three years as assistant coach of the Northern Knights in the TAC Under 18 Competition.

Previous to that, Craig was the senior coach of Heidelberg in the NFL/Diamond Valley from 2004-2006, taking the team to three grand finals and two premierships.

Hunter played senior football with Subiaco in the WAFL including a premiership in 1991, Wanneroo Amateur Football Club in the WAAFL and Heidelberg from 1996-2003. He was Captain in 2001.

He lives in Ivanhoe and brings a wealth of player and coaching experience to the OIGFC.

 

[bouncing back]

Old Ivanhoe has appointed Craig Hunter as senior coach for season 2010.

Craig has spent the past three years as assistant coach of the Northern Knights in the TAC Under 18 Competition.

Previous to that, Craig was the senior coach of Heidelberg in the NFL/Diamond Valley from 2004-2006, taking the team to three grand finals and two premierships.

Hunter played senior football with Subiaco in the WAFL including a premiership in 1991, Wanneroo Amateur Football Club in the WAAFL and Heidelberg from 1996-2003. He was Captain in 2001.

He lives in Ivanhoe and brings a wealth of player and coaching experience to the OIGFC.

how's the proposed amalgamation with ivanhoe progressing?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Sounds like OI have got a good one there.

Now all they need is some players.

 

[Kapil Hawk]

Another interesting point is that the VAFA will appoint a panel of 3judges to vote on the medal for the best player on the ground at a VAFA grand final, rather than the umpires. I think this is a good idea, because as we all know the umpires on grand final day have already got enough troubles to deal with such as paying free kicks, breaking up brawls/fights, worrying about their own performance etc.

The ground manager effectively awards the Best on Ground in Grand Finals. On a number of occasions the umpire have been over ruled in this department that I know of. Whilst on the scheme of things this is better, do we really want the typical VAFA seventy year old funny duddy's selecting the BOG. The only case that this would be good was if Jason McNiece were to reapppear in these parts (heaven forbid)

 

[Melb High Graduate]

No one really cares what you think Kapil Hawk. Were you up late with your mate 'cc' snuggling on the couch together, whilst watching the cricket again?

 

[Caulfield Carla]

Hope your referring to Cardio Carl and not Caulfield Carla.. MHG!!

I’d be in a alot of trouble if I was caught snuggling up on the couch with Kapil… hehehe

Good luck to you boys in 2010, look forward to catching up in B section in 2011


Kind regards,

Caulfield Carla (Cardio might have to start signing of with the full name, might become a little bit confusing to the fellow posters)

 

[bouncing back]

robbins rovers start the 2010 campaign on 9 november. all aboard.

 

[bedford]

Who cares he can get stuffed

 

[Chazz M Michaels]

Who cares he can get stuffed

Bedford, you're a very hostile person and you hold on to things for way to long, i.e. the time keeper incident.

I suggest seeing someone about this. You're either a has-been or a never-been, I'm guessing the latter..

The Ormond Football Club isn't the be all the end all of amateur football.

 

[bouncing back]

Who cares he can get stuffed

just a rhyming thing bedford. didn't mean to raise your ire. players and coaches come and go. it's part of the footy merry-go-round. i'd love to see the monders and beauie play off for the 2010 flag. good for local footy. good for district footy clubs.