Bachar Houli & Adam Saad Friday night MCG response to Senator Anning speech

[Black white]

Holy f***ing s**t are we really going down the route of saying the Nazis are left wing.

Rupert Murdoch, Andrew Bolt, Donald Trump and the like have a lot to answer for.

Seriously, just seriously? Eagleboy68 you are way, way out of your depth on this one. Read up before you contribute anything more to this s**t.

Both Hansons agree on this - Green and One Nation.

Is there a possible antithesis of what your positing to exist as a social phenomenenon - outrage immunity? Why wouldn’t someone be outraged by what he said? It’s f**ked

Go to parliament and protest if you actually know what you're outraged about.
FFS - keep footy out of it.

 

[DapperJong]

The Nazis were far right wing you clown. The article you link to above even says as much!

Rock up to your next political rally if you dont believe me and let the nice Nazis there know they're all leftists and on the wrong side of the police line.

Let me know how that goes for you.

Loving the font size change. Passionate!

 

[Eagleboy68]

Holy f***ing s**t are we really going down the route of saying the Nazis are left wing.

Rupert Murdoch, Andrew Bolt, Donald Trump and the like have a lot to answer for.

Seriously, just seriously? Eagleboy68 you are way, way out of your depth on this one. Read up before you contribute anything more to this s**t.

Lol. Sure thing sir.

Maybe a book called "the rise and fall of the third Reich" would help me?
Something I've already read which consisted of over 1000 pages.

 

[DapperJong]

Go to parliament and protest if you actually know what you're outraged about.
FFS - keep footy out of it.

Keep footy out of politics? I dunno, question time would be ok if they had a ball to kick around.

 

[Malifice]

It wasn't accidental. When interviewed he said he chose the words in the speech himself and refused to deny it was a link to the Holocaust. No apologies at all for his choice of words or saying it was out of context or misinterpreted.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

Oh for sure. No sensible or rational person could assume anything else.

I find people defending him on the grounds of 'it was an honest mistake' to be hilarious.

The lengths people will go to in response to the cognative dissonance caused by the realization of 'It might be the case that my views mirror those of nazis' is astounding.

 

[Black white]

B

Go to parliament and protest if you actually know what you're outraged about.
FFS - keep footy out of it.

Both f'n idiots, that don't know anything about history, humanity.
Let's invite them on the g, holding hands

 

[threesixpio]

Go to parliament and protest if you actually know what you're outraged about.
FFS - keep footy out of it.

Make me

 

[DapperJong]

Lol. Sure thing sir.

Maybe a book called "the rise and fall of the third Reich" would help me?
Something I've already read which consisted of over 1000 pages.

Did you get to the "fall" part yet?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

It wasn't accidental. When interviewed he said he chose the words in the speech himself and refused to deny it was a link to the Holocaust. No apologies at all for his choice of words or saying it was out of context or misinterpreted.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

You see thats the difference. I heard him interviewed and I heard him say he chose the words but he chose them in the context of a sentence he was writing. He said it was the media and the people opposed to his idea of a plebiscite that raised the Final Solution part of the sentence as something different to what he was saying.
You heard it one way, I heard it totally different.

 

[Malifice]

Lol. Sure thing sir.

Maybe a book called "the rise and fall of the third Reich" would help me?
Something I've already read which consisted of over 1000 pages.

You're wrong. Even the link you posted above states clearly the Nazis were far right wing.

Something that is self evidently true if you bother heading to an alt right forum and have a read.

 

[Forward Press]

Lol. Sure thing sir.

Maybe a book called "the rise and fall of the third Reich" would help me?
Something I've already read which consisted of over 1000 pages.

If you have read it you'd realise the first few bits are how the Nazis consolidated their power by being decidedly anti-Communist. Who was blamed for the Reichstag fire? What was the primary reason why Hitler was distrustful of the Soviets?

Or are you saying the communists are right wing?

 

[sataris]

Should we really be pushing religious agendas at the footy? That's one of the great things about sport, it does not judge on race, religious creed or colour - the best man wins, regardless of where they are from or what beliefs they have.

This has only been true in the last 50 or so years, after certain people were allowed to compete.

How did those people get the chance to compete?

I'll leave that as homework. (Not having a go at you Nuggets73, but for others )

Anyone who thinks politics and sports should be separate entities, hasn't been paying attention for the past 5000 years.

Any large event with enough people watching will be politicized.

Can't believe I have to explain reality to figBooty

 

[Eagleboy68]

The Nazis were far right wing you clown. The article you link to above even says as much!

Rock up to your next political rally if you dont believe me and let the nice Nazis there know they're all leftists and on the wrong side of the police line.

Let me know how that goes for you.

Yeah personally I've never worn a clown outfit.

But yes it's a truth to a lot of their policies which left wingers really hate to identify with.
Cry and both and moan all you want but
There was a lot of the policies in the nazi party that were left wing. And a lot that were right wing.

This might help a little bit.

 

[Malifice]

I heard him interviewed and I heard him say he chose the words but he chose them in the context of a sentence he was writing.

The context of the speech he was writing?

It was a Far Right wing political speech designed to appeal to white nationalists that demonised a religious minority before directly echoing Hitler in a call for a 'Final solution to the problem'!

That was the same context Hitler used it in!

Lol. Context doesn't help him here. It makes it more obvious what he was doing!

 

[Black white]

Make me

That's the united as one spirit.
Make people want politics at footy, don't agree with having politics at footy, pile the hatred on them.

 

[sataris]

The context of the speech he was writing?

It was a Far Right wing political speech designed to appeal to white nationalists that demonised a religious minority before directly echoing Hitler in a call for a 'Final solution to the problem'!

That was the same context Hitler used it in!

Lol. Context doesn't help him here. It makes it more obvious what he was doing!

my understanding of the context argument is that his entire speech is 'solutions'

'My first solution to x, my solution y, my final solution for z'

Either way you'd have to be a moron to put the words 'final' and 'solution' together and not expect backlash.

 

[Toump Ass]

Keep footy out of politics? I dunno, question time would be ok if they had a ball to kick around.

And a couple of stray Houli-like elbows

 

[Forward Press]

Yeah personally I've never worn a clown outfit.

But yes it's a truth to a lot of their policies which left wingers really hate to identify with.
Cry and both and moan all you want but
There was a lot of the policies in the nazi party that were left wing. And a lot that were right wing.

This might help a little bit.

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Fairly sure you're just a gutter troll.

From that very same website which you purposely used out of context:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Despite co-opting the name, some of the rhetoric, and even some of the precepts of socialism, Hitler and party did so with utter cynicism, and with vastly different goals. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

Go away.

 

[Godchin]

Then he's clearly unfit to be a senator. He has one opportunity where he's in the spotlight, to grace the beginning of his senate tenure with a speech outlining what is important to him in his role, and he doesn't properly check the speech for problematic language? Incompetence.

Perhaps so, but that's a completely different crime to the one you and everyone else is hanging him for.

Knowing what "the final solution" implies, and using it in a speech about religion-based exclusionary policies? It's highly unlikely to be a coincidence, but it is possible. Though, as I mentioned, this "list of solutions" defence doesn't hold up at all - not when said list was three minutes prior, contained no reference to "solutions", and had clearly concluded.

Yes, it is possible, which is my point.

He uses the word "solution" multiple times throughout. He says "fifth" and then not long after, he begins his final point on immigration and religion with "finally", which contains the phrase "final solution" not long after. It seems like a logical sequence to me, regardless of your arbitrary "3 minutes so it doesn't count" argument.

You don’t honestly believe him do you? Final Solution with respect to race and immigration?

Not only was it clearly intentional - he wanted this attention. The guy is a f**king tool

I'm not sure if I believe him. I'm just not going to throw all my eggs into the "he meant it" basket like most people have.

Lol at the people trying to argue he unintentionally called for 'a final solution to the Muslim problem'.

This far right wing politician accidentally echoed Hitler in a political speech that was otherwise designed to appeal to white nationalists and shock did he?

You said he directly referenced Hitler's speech. It wasn't coined by Hitler. It wasn't a speech. And he didn't "directly" reference "it".

 

[threesixpio]

Yeah personally I've never worn a clown outfit.

But yes it's a truth to a lot of their policies which left wingers really hate to identify with.
Cry and both and moan all you want but
There was a lot of the policies in the nazi party that were left wing. And a lot that were right wing.

This might help a little bit.

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And yet....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust

 

[demontim27]

Lol. Sure thing sir.

Maybe a book called "the rise and fall of the third Reich" would help me?
Something I've already read which consisted of over 1000 pages.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Seems you’re at odds with most people conducting the actual research

Also seems you fell for exactly the play that hitler was going for with the whole “socialist” thing.

 

[threesixpio]

Perhaps so, but that's a completely different crime to the one you and everyone else is hanging him for.


Yes, it is possible, which is my point.

He uses the word "solution" multiple times throughout. He says "fifth" and then not long after, he begins his final point on immigration and religion with "finally", which contains the phrase "final solution" not long after. It seems like a logical sequence to me, regardless of your arbitrary "3 minutes so it doesn't count" argument.


I'm not sure if I believe him. I'm just not going to throw all my eggs into the "he meant it" basket like most people have.


You said he directly referenced Hitler's speech. It wasn't coined by Hitler. It wasn't a speech. And he didn't "directly" reference "it".

I never understood the phrase “I didn’t come down in the last shower” until now

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The context of the speech he was writing?

It was a Far Right wing political speech designed to appeal to white nationalists that demonised a religious minority before directly echoing Hitler in a call for a 'Final solution to the problem'!

That was the same context Hitler used it in!

Lol. Context doesn't help him here. It makes it more obvious what he was doing!

I just don't see how you can think he is saying we should exterminate a group of people here. He just wants them not here in Australia.

Finally, it should go without saying that, as a nation, we are entitled to require that those who come here not only have useful work skills and qualifications but also the commitment to work and pay taxes. In truth, it appears that many of those who claim to be asylum seekers are actually just welfare seekers who only come to Australia to live on welfare in public housing at the expense of working Australians. In the days of Menzies, immigrants arriving here were not allowed to apply for welfare and that attracted exactly the right sort of hard-working people this country needed. We should go back to that and ban all immigrants receiving welfare for the first five years after they arrive. The final solution to the immigration problem is, of course, a popular vote. We don't need a plebiscite to cut immigration numbers; we just need a government that is willing to institute a sustainable population policy, end Australian-job-stealing 457 visas and make student visas conditional on foreign students returning to the country they came from. What we do need a plebiscite for is to decide who comes here. Whitlam didn't ask the Australian people whether they wanted wholesale non-European migration when he introduced it and neither has any subsequent government. Who we allow to come here will determine what sort of nation we will have in the future, so therefore this isn't the right of any one government to decide. It's too important for that. Instead, we need a plebiscite to allow the Australian people to decide whether they want wholesale non-English speaking immigrants from the Third World and, in particular, whether they want any Muslims or whether they want to return to the predominantly European immigration policy of the pre-Whitlam consensus. I for one will be very happy to abide by their decision.

 

[DapperJong]

lol eagle boys pizza

 

[threesixpio]

PS - of course there are parallels between fascism and communism. My old history teacher at school used to teach us that left and right were on a circle which eventually met each other. This is a little simplistic but I imagine hanging out in Nazi Germany wasn’t too different to hanging out in Stalinist Russia