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That's normal.
Look at the percentages preflop.Bad Beat/Vent/Brag thread
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Look at the percentages preflop.
How could AA cant have less of a chance than QQ or 10/10 preflop?That's normal.
Nor could AKs have less of a chance than 67o preflop?
All the other hands are underdogs to mine.
Could you explain?
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Underdogs yes, but not so much that I'd categorise in your worst ever beats. If so, you obviously haven't played much.
I wouldn't call a lost hand a bad beat if your opponent did not make a mistake.
If you're playing for 100 bigs effective and always shove AA pre and always get called by KK and lose every time, they are not bad beats.
Remember there is an element of luck in poker.
If you're playing for 100 bigs effective and always shove AA pre and always get called by KK and lose every time, they are not bad beats.
Remember there is an element of luck in poker.
A mistake is only known after the cards are shown, AA vs KK, the AAs have the KKs well beaten. Likewise AKs vs 67o.
If you could see all the cards, calling for even money with those weaker hands against those stronger hands heads up is a mistake.
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A call with KK is never a mistake.
Depending on the situation, calling with 67o is ok. Like you said, you were short, and 67o is probably winning 1 in 3 times.
Each situation gets weighed up. You defo don't have to be infront preflop, nor do you have to think that you're infront preflop , to make the call.
Regarding AA v KK and AA v 76o, 76o has better equity than KK if both your suits are live.
7c 6d v As Ah gives you 19.4% equity
Kc Kd v As Ah gives you 18.7% equity
In fact the best hand v AA are suited mid-range connectors. Not saying you should call though, unless somehow the pot is giving you correct odds.
7c 6d v As Ah gives you 19.4% equity
Kc Kd v As Ah gives you 18.7% equity
In fact the best hand v AA are suited mid-range connectors. Not saying you should call though, unless somehow the pot is giving you correct odds.
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The 67 was vs AK. What % we got there?
I was using PokerCruncher on my phone, but you can try http://twodimes.net/poker/ (which my work has blocked)
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So maybe it's because the pies are in the grand final that I've been running so well in the last week, but from a mix of live poker and on apps, just 2/5 and 400nl, from 16 hours of playing I'm up $8800!!!
Pretty crazy
Collingwood to just finish it off tomorrow
Pretty crazy
Collingwood to just finish it off tomorrow
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- Mar 11, 2012
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These aren't particularly bad beats % wise, but witnessed two ridiculous runouts within 5 minutes in a live tournament last night. Both all in pre-flop.
AA v QJ
Board: K64 9 T
66 v AK
Board: T86 Q J
AA v QJ
Board: K64 9 T
66 v AK
Board: T86 Q J
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This doesnt quite qualify as a "bad beat" but I hate when you play a tourney and then time restricted you and you have to all in and leave.
Was fairly deep last night in a $1500 live pub tourney, got a phone call and needed to leave so had to push all in with rubbish. Happens to me online a bit where late registrations make the tournaments much longer than expected.
Was fairly deep last night in a $1500 live pub tourney, got a phone call and needed to leave so had to push all in with rubbish. Happens to me online a bit where late registrations make the tournaments much longer than expected.
- Oct 9, 2013
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Had a big winning session over the weekend at Crown. Just could not lose a hand. It was ridiculous. Every c-bet with nothing it would fold around and every time I value bet I got called down. Ended up +750 playing 1/2. Happy days.
edit: prob chump change for y'all but that's a big win for me!
edit: prob chump change for y'all but that's a big win for me!
Nice job, good money, cant complain with $750 over a weekend! Do you adopt the standard Friday and Saturday night play against drunks and casuals strategy?Had a big winning session over the weekend at Crown. Just could not lose a hand. It was ridiculous. Every c-bet with nothing it would fold around and every time I value bet I got called down. Ended up +750 playing 1/2. Happy days.
edit: prob chump change for y'all but that's a big win for me!
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Cheers.
Haha, what's that strategy?
I only consider myself basically a casual anyway but my general strategy at 1/2 is to play patient and then value bet incessantly. At that level, most people are way too loose preflop and/or call too often with middling holdings. Generally works ok but I think I could do with widening my range a bit when in late position.
The strategy is more time of play and opponent. A lot of people hit the poker rooms after 9pm Friday/Saturday night because you get a lot of drunk casual players who are often there just to have some fun with $100 and they can be exploited because of that.
I'm probably crap compared to actual good players but against drunks at Crown (often very young 18-20) I can win fairly consistently
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Ah yep I see what you mean. I don't target those times specifically but generally play Friday arvo after work cos it suits me. Sometimes Sat arvo/night or Sun arvos if I'm free. I've found Sundays to be pretty good in terms of soft play because there's lots of old man coffees around.
I've never played live in the day at the Casino, never tested but that would be when I assume all the seasoned regulars and potentially semi-professional gamblers would be playing, rather than your random bloke out to have some fun on the piss with mates.
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Yeah I only play 1/2 though, 1/3 sometimes. Those guys are at the higher levels. Also people like boozing up on a Sunday there just as much as a Sat night I've found. I've never playing during the day on a weekday tho, maybe it's different then.
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Folding pocket Aces
12 players left I get pocket A
I have approx $60k
Short Stack SS has $6k
3rd player has $42k
SS pushes All In for $6k
I push further to $20k to isolate everybody else
3rd player calls. 3rd player is very tight and a frequent final table player. I put them on high pocket pairs JJ and up maybe an A through to J
Flop KQJ
my 2 black aces dont look so good and its my call. Considering my live opponent I put them on anything from Trips to A to high card
My mistake is checking but I dont think it changes anything. I also had flush going through my head. 3rd players shoves all in
My thinking only changes to a certainty they have Trips or A. Trips I'm dead unless the 3rd A shows and A means they only have to hit 1
After 3 minutes I fold. I hated it but I got blinded by final table being close after so long not being there.
SS flops JQ
for 2 pair
3rd player flops AJ
Turn and river are nothing card and I would have had the main pot and lost the side.
/rant/vent
12 players left I get pocket A
I have approx $60k
Short Stack SS has $6k
3rd player has $42k
SS pushes All In for $6k
I push further to $20k to isolate everybody else
3rd player calls. 3rd player is very tight and a frequent final table player. I put them on high pocket pairs JJ and up maybe an A through to J
Flop KQJ
my 2 black aces dont look so good and its my call. Considering my live opponent I put them on anything from Trips to A to high cardMy mistake is checking but I dont think it changes anything. I also had flush going through my head. 3rd players shoves all in
My thinking only changes to a certainty they have Trips or A
. Trips I'm dead unless the 3rd A shows and A means they only have to hit 1After 3 minutes I fold. I hated it but I got blinded by final table being close after so long not being there.
SS flops JQ
for 2 pair3rd player flops A
JTurn and river are nothing card and I would have had the main pot and lost the side.
/rant/vent
KQJ diamond on the flop a pair of Aces isnt likely to finish the best hand. Of course you could have played to draw for trips or for a straight with a 10, but in that situation it's a fairly easy read that your likely beaten on the flop and probably beaten after the river without luck. Also if you bet here you are either called or raised, so you risk that when you are likely beaten.Folding pocket Aces
12 players left I get pocket A
I have approx $60k
Short Stack SS has $6k
3rd player has $42k
SS pushes All In for $6k
I push further to $20k to isolate everybody else
3rd player calls. 3rd player is very tight and a frequent final table player. I put them on high pocket pairs JJ and up maybe an A through to J
Flop KQJ
My mistake is checking but I dont think it changes anything. I also had flush going through my head. 3rd players shoves all in
My thinking only changes to a certainty they have Trips or A
After 3 minutes I fold. I hated it but I got blinded by final table being close after so long not being there.
SS flops JQ
3rd player flops A
Turn and river are nothing card and I would have had the main pot and lost the side.
/rant/vent
Checking when out of position here is relatively common I reckon, check/raise or check/call means that checking doesnt represent weakness necessarily after that flop.
People often talk about value but with a big stack near the end of a tourney no point you risking your payout on a gamble.
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Pot odds would be a call I think if they definitely have a set. Add in the times you're ahead, and I'm never folding here. What were the blinds?Folding pocket Aces
12 players left I get pocket A
I have approx $60k
Short Stack SS has $6k
3rd player has $42k
SS pushes All In for $6k
I push further to $20k to isolate everybody else
3rd player calls. 3rd player is very tight and a frequent final table player. I put them on high pocket pairs JJ and up maybe an A through to J
Flop KQJ
My mistake is checking but I dont think it changes anything. I also had flush going through my head. 3rd players shoves all in
My thinking only changes to a certainty they have Trips or A
After 3 minutes I fold. I hated it but I got blinded by final table being close after so long not being there.
SS flops JQ
3rd player flops A
Turn and river are nothing card and I would have had the main pot and lost the side.
/rant/vent
IMO this is cash game thinking.
Sure the "odds" might be worth a call, but that still leaves a chance he loses a heap of his stack. If hes trying to make the final table for a payout, why gamble here when you are very likely beaten based on his reads?
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His reads both pre and post flop have more hands that we beat than beat us. And we have at least 5 outs if we're behind.
Depends on if you want to make a min cash or go for higher payouts. If my opponent puts in 50% of his stack pre and I have AA, I'm virtually never folding.
