Bad Beat/Vent/Brag thread

[go you pups]

Yeah your Aces held up but could you extracted better value by playing them different next time?

You're surely trolling...

 

[OnTheRocks]

You're surely trolling...

and youre just taking the blinds....
idk what your stack sizes are but if the players are rec pub players then they have defined tendencies that can be exploited.
Shoving pre with aces is the safe 'I dont have to make any tough decisions now' option. sure they will hold up a fair percent of the time and youll feel good about winning the blinds, but is it good enough?
Most pub games start with deepish stacks and end up as a short stack game, hence a lot of loose plays at the beginning and a shove fest at the end. Perhaps some different bet sizing might extract better value than just "Ive got the best hand pre" shove and then whinge about going bust when AA gets cracked?
Surely Im not....

 

[go you pups]

and youre just taking the blinds....
idk what your stack sizes are but if the players are rec pub players then they have defined tendencies that can be exploited.
Shoving pre with aces is the safe 'I dont have to make any tough decisions now' option. sure they will hold up a fair percent of the time and youll feel good about winning the blinds, but is it good enough?
Most pub games start with deepish stacks and end up as a short stack game, hence a lot of loose plays at the beginning and a shove fest at the end. Perhaps some different bet sizing might extract better value than just "Ive got the best hand pre" shove and then whinge about going bust when AA gets cracked?
Surely Im not....

I had aces 2 weeks in a row both in early position at the 1/2k bb level.

If you scroll up you can see my alternative play where I tried to get "value" and how that worked out...

 

[OnTheRocks]

I had aces 2 weeks in a row both in early position at the 1/2k bb level.

If you scroll up you can see my alternative play where I tried to get "value" and how that worked out...

Obviously no-one gives a s**t about position, stacks or cards for that matter at the games you are in. Keep experimenting with bet sizing and although
I wouldnt be happy with a 'family' pot with AA (still fav) but if I hold up then Im more than happy to bust a table in 1 hand

 

[MrKK]

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Check out the sick final hand from this local tournament on Sunday. Imagine losing with aces full heads-up.

Tournament poker is an easy game when you run this good. Quads over aces full on the final hand twice in two months.

 

[go you pups]

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Tournament poker is an easy game when you run this good. Quads over aces full on the final hand twice in two months.

Jerry again?

Lel, on a heater

 

[MrKK]

Jerry again?

Lel, on a heater

The dude is on a lifetime heater.

Meanwhile, my end of tournament luck runs like last week. Final 3 players, I'm in 2nd then:
A2 v QT, opponent rivers a Q
J9 v 78, board 644 6 5.
Back to back hands, out in 3rd. FU poker.

 

[go you pups]

Wowee wowee wowee

Go card dry for ages aside from one double up at 2/4k bbs where I nailed a straight to stay afloat for a bit, then I get jacks with 4 bbs left (3/6k bbs) about 5 hands after my double up (got whittled down again missing flops/blinded down), I jam, get 2 callers

Flops comes 325, they both check, out comes an 8, still checks, then another 3 comes out on the river

Pegging both had ace high, flip the jacks over, they're good and I'm up to about 75k

Another day a 4 or an ace comes and I'm out, lel, can't remember the last time I've had jacks hold, not to mention they were an overpair to the board for a change, now for pocket 8s to finally deliver

Crawled to the final table with 60k at 10/20k bbs, first FT of the year, got drawn to UTG though which stunk, picked up a suited A4 and jammed up against 7s, hit my 4 but didn't catch anything else.

May I run better in February though

 

[GreyCrow]

I had a bad night but its all on me - chased dead straights and counterfeited on the river a few times to be very stack poor at 2/4k blinds.

Basically any 2 good cards. Which given my previous hour might take a while. Oh wait

KJ - this is it boyo - talk or walk - all in

Fold , fold , maniac calls , fold, fold - heads up for a 30k pot - I turn my 2 over he turns his 45.

Flop is 7,4,7 no diamonds. Ehh yeah there goes my night Turn 10 river Q

Shrug

I would want to be playing a lot better this weekend at the SA Open

 

[MrKK]

Last night I went 0/2 with AA (lost to 77 flopped set and turned quads; second time lost to idiot calling gutshot draw on the flop and hitting on turn) and 0/1 with QQ (same idiot calls my 3-bet with 95 and flops trip 9s).
But strangely 2/2 with KK, my nemesis hand.
And also had a huge double up with J9 over 55 on 95J 9 4 board, massive cooler for my opponent.

All of the above was in the first 6 levels. Crazy times.

I would want to be playing a lot better this weekend at the SA Open

Good luck on the weekend. If you see someone with a figurine of Southampton legend Matt Le Tissier as their card protector, say hi.

 

[go you pups]

Last night I went 0/2 with AA (lost to 77 flopped set and turned quads; second time lost to idiot calling gutshot draw on the flop and hitting on turn) and 0/1 with QQ (same idiot calls my 3-bet with 95 and flops trip 9s).
But strangely 2/2 with KK, my nemesis hand.
And also had a huge double up with J9 over 55 on 95J 9 4 board, massive cooler for my opponent.

All of the above was in the first 6 levels. Crazy times.


Good luck on the weekend. If you see someone with a figurine of Southampton legend Matt Le Tissier as their card protector, say hi.

How didn't you get stacked with those losing hands?

Aside from my jacks, I got 7s twice and someone got something better both times I had them, saw a flop once then gave them up, then had to fold preflop another time as a shove came

But yeah, always seemed like I was coolered/well behind whenever I had something playable

AT vs queens (saw a flop and turn, flopped a ten, put him on jacks or queens after two big barrels, he showed at least when I showed him my laydown)
AQ vs kings (saw a flop then threw them away when I didn't hit, he had a caller pay him off though)
QT suited vs AQ (I had a draw but missed, guy read me here )
A8 suited vs A4 (they hit two pair and I paid it off, probably my worst play of the night in regards to my stack, lost about 40% here, put him on a weaker ace than mine as he would've raised with a stronger ace, I was kinda right in that regard, this hand stuffed me up for well over half an hour before I tripled up with my jacks, then hit top pair ten with KT the next hand and picked up a decent pot there too)
7s vs ?? (guy doesn't bluff)
7s vs ?? jam (guy doesn't bluff, probably AK)

4/8k bbs onwards
9T suited vs kings (limped in for 8k, got raised to 35k, would've been 40% of my stack, so threw it away, he showed)
56 suited in the SB vs queens in the BB (again I limped in, then threw it away, he showed at least)
KJ suited vs 7s and 8s (7s raised, 8s jammed, call came, so obviously I threw it away, 7s hit the 2 outer on the river, same guy with the queens in the BB who was running over this table)

Eh

 

[juss]

Pretty close to giving up the game for a while. Sick of morons chasing with gut shots or pairs/two pairs and hitting the river when I have them crushed all the way through and they are making wrong calls on my value bets.

This whole long term thing is bullshitly frustrating as well, unless you are putting in multiple hours a day online or at the casino the variance isn't evening out and I've got a hell of a lot of catching up to do to make up the beats I've had in big pots over the last few months.

It's a paradox to solve too because the lower stakes you go to the worse the play is and people don't realise (or don't care) they are making horrible calls when they catch 1 outers or 2 outers on the river.

 

[MrKK]

How didn't you get stacked with those losing hands?

They were early on when the blinds were low, plus I never improved on my starting hand so I was exercising pot control. They were also intermingled with some success:
Lost with AA and QQ to get down to 8k (started with 30k)
Won twice with KK plus some other small wins to get back to 20k
Doubled in the J9 boat over boat hand to over 40k
Then lost half of that with AA.

 

[GreyCrow]

Pretty close to giving up the game for a while. Sick of morons chasing with gut shots or pairs/two pairs and hitting the river when I have them crushed all the way through and they are making wrong calls on my value bets.

This whole long term thing is bullshitly frustrating as well, unless you are putting in multiple hours a day online or at the casino the variance isn't evening out and I've got a hell of a lot of catching up to do to make up the beats I've had in big pots over the last few months.

It's a paradox to solve too because the lower stakes you go to the worse the play is and people don't realise (or don't care) they are making horrible calls when they catch 1 outers or 2 outers on the river.

Firstly I dont pretend to have a solution to any of this. I feel your pain and I understand the frustrations.

But I also recognise I make plays that would send you crazy.

I think part of the problem is when I started pockets were the kings of poker. There was a coded betting structure to let people know you had pockets and mostly those raises were respected.

Pockets are good for a heads up where your pockets are higher - but its still a card flip

You are right to say the low stakes/ Blinds also contribute to more players ''coming along'' . What then happens is the players in the later positions start saying ''i'm valued in'' as if 72 is a value hand - then it becomes a free for all where many variations of hands start to connect.

Ultimately I think it wont come down to the cards at all!! Huge statement I know but recognising personality types is one way to maximise your wins and minimise your losses

ie Tight , Loose , Maniacs - any two cards players - and passive, aggressive etc should structure your betting more than the cards ( yes the cards do help) by overbetting the passive tight players , underbetting the maniacs and controlling the loose aggressives.

Going back to the structured betting style - by varying your Xraise you can hopefully hide your hands. ie Raising 6x each time you have pockets is good - raising 3x each time you have a picture or an A - it gives information to the others at the table. I heard some players are now clock raising ie if the minute hand on the clock determines the Xraise instead of any pre-determined level.

But that all means nothing when someone calls in all in with 45 !

Good luck and I hope we dont lose you to the game. Your comments and responses have been valuable

 

[go you pups]

Firstly I dont pretend to have a solution to any of this. I feel your pain and I understand the frustrations.

But I also recognise I make plays that would send you crazy.

I think part of the problem is when I started pockets were the kings of poker. There was a coded betting structure to let people know you had pockets and mostly those raises were respected.

Pockets are good for a heads up where your pockets are higher - but its still a card flip

You are right to say the low stakes/ Blinds also contribute to more players ''coming along'' . What then happens is the players in the later positions start saying ''i'm valued in'' as if 72 is a value hand - then it becomes a free for all where many variations of hands start to connect.

Ultimately I think it wont come down to the cards at all!! Huge statement I know but recognising personality types is one way to maximise your wins and minimise your losses

ie Tight , Loose , Maniacs - any two cards players - and passive, aggressive etc should structure your betting more than the cards ( yes the cards do help) by overbetting the passive tight players , underbetting the maniacs and controlling the loose aggressives.

Going back to the structured betting style - by varying your Xraise you can hopefully hide your hands. ie Raising 6x each time you have pockets is good - raising 3x each time you have a picture or an A - it gives information to the others at the table. I heard some players are now clock raising ie if the minute hand on the clock determines the Xraise instead of any pre-determined level.

But that all means nothing when someone calls in all in with 45 !

Good luck and I hope we dont lose you to the game. Your comments and responses have been valuable

Yeah agree

A big problem I had across all of January at my Thursday night venue was the inability to chip up from about the 400/800-2/4k levels where I always seemed to run incredibly card dry and was knocked out twice in the 4/8k level (I was merely just hanging on both times here waiting for a hand that never came and shoved with a bit over 2bbs both times) and once at the 2/4k level, even this week it was largely the same scenario, but I had 1 double up at 2/4 and 1 triple up at 3/6 which kept me going. Then I was able to play a few blind on blind hands later on and chip up there to keep afloat, but I never got above 100k.

When I played my 1 game for the month at my Monday night game, I was able to chip up regularly until 3/6k and build a solid 150k+ stack or so. From then on I had a few hands to try eliminate a few short stacks yet they always seemed to be second best. For example 2 hands where I couldn't get away from was pocket 8s against about a 25k short stack, 4 callers, not much action on the board being a mix of low cards and checks flop and turn (I had a gutter but didn't catch too), I value bet the limpers out of it come the river as I was sure I was good against a mix of overcards that didn't hit, short stack shows queens and is very healthy again. The hand I played before that was a similar situation, I pick up K8 suited, a 12k shove comes, 2 callers me and queens guy, flop comes KQT, queens guy checks, I put him all in as he only had like 14k left and I've got top pair and am pot committed, he of course flips over KQ and the 12k short stack flips over AQ and rivers an ace for the higher two pair, those two hands saw me dip under 100k for a few levels and go very card dry until I quadrupled up all in at 5/10kbbs where I flopped a nut straight and it held.

Sure it's frustrating, particularly my Thursday night trends of the month, but I was able to get a lot of information from players either due to their hands going to showdown, or they were happy to show a big starting hand, I simply just haven't been getting enough strong starting cards, but going by my 1 Monday game, I'm able to chip up if I'm getting playable hands/hitting.

 

[GreyCrow]

I would want to be playing a lot better this weekend at the SA Open

Good luck on the weekend. If you see someone with a figurine of Southampton legend Matt Le Tissier as their card protector, say hi.

Made it to day 2 - 180k stack. Could have been more but had variances ie down to 70 back to 220 - etc. Gives me enough to look at some orbits, pick my spots and hopefully get cards to play with.

I didnt see you but tomorrow you should be able to spot me fairly easily - username

 

[MrKK]

Made it to day 2 - 180k stack. Could have been more but had variances ie down to 70 back to 220 - etc. Gives me enough to look at some orbits, pick my spots and hopefully get cards to play with.

I didnt see you but tomorrow you should be able to spot me fairly easily - username

I made it too, but only 134k after losing 100k on the last hand. I raised with AhKh 2 callers, flop T75 one heart, I bet and 1 call, turn 3d, I bet again, villain shoves. Obviously I can't call, and villain shows 67.
Horrible bluff in his spot, which he didn't even realise was a bluff. Any T or an overpair and I am snap calling. And dealer rabbit hunted the deck to reveal the river would've been an A.

Good luck today.

 

[GreyCrow]

I made it too, but only 134k after losing 100k on the last hand. I raised with AhKh 2 callers, flop T75 one heart, I bet and 1 call, turn 3d, I bet again, villain shoves. Obviously I can't call, and villain shows 67.
Horrible bluff in his spot, which he didn't even realise was a bluff. Any T or an overpair and I am snap calling. And dealer rabbit hunted the deck to reveal the river would've been an A.

Good luck today.

Cheers , all the best to you

A mate had a table where a guy said ''I'm feeling it'' and shoved K2 to an AA and rivered the flush.

 

[MrKK]

Cheers , all the best to you

A mate had a table where a guy said ''I'm feeling it'' and shoved K2 to an AA and rivered the flush.

I just checked the Day 2 seating. My stack is not as bad as I thought it was relative to the field and there are no enormous stacks. The guy who took the 100k off me last hand is actually the chip leader.

 

[GreyCrow]

I just checked the Day 2 seating. My stack is not as bad as I thought it was relative to the field and there are no enormous stacks. The guy who took the 100k off me last hand is actually the chip leader.

Yeah I got the feeling most played to make Day 2 - ie conservative , nothing outrageous. I know my table did. I was able to take some chips by pushing a raise on some hands

Today will be the sausage fest.

117 left? Should see 30 out in the 1st session

 

[GreyCrow]

Ok - I got the 30 out in the 1st session correct. Luckily one wasnt me. Though it was close

3rd hand in I am in BB - Middle Position raises to 15 - I play with this guy a little bit and this is his standard MP raise - I had A6s - (shush) and decide to see a flop. 2 spades hit so I figure to come along if he doesnt get too out of line. Bets 15k again and I call. I thought about shoving but too early in the day for me. Rather walk away from a pot at this time of day ( and maybe this is something I need to address - and I will further on) rather than chase a possible flush draw with all my chips in the middle

Turn is a nada and he bets 15k again and I call. River was not a spade and he bets 15k again and I get out of it. Should I have bet harder? Possibly but again too early . This ate into my chips a bit but the payoff was to get me above 200k in chips

Blinds are 6/12 and I look down at KQclubs. 85k in chips and MP. I shove and get SB call

He turns over AQo - flop is JQK - 10 gets him the straight and sees me out of the comp. Turn is the K and I double up.


I wait for a while , try and push BB off a couple of hands but he isnt having it. Blinds are 8/16 had 68d in the SB and raised it and he called. Flop is all clubs - ugh but 59 is there. Check. 10clubs is turn - check check. River is Jack of spades. No 7 - he bets big and I fold he shows AJ with 1 club.

Again running dry 100k in chips and this time I have AJo in MP. Woman next to me bets 45k - she usually bets this kind of amount with 2 pictures or small pockets ie under 10s. My thinking is if I call her and wait for a flop I invite SB and BB to have a sniff - good for chip stack - bad for variance.

I shove again and the blinds fold out. She turns over KQ this time.

I must have been tired and had a micro nap because by the time I sort my chips out and look up the flop is down and there is a J. Turn is nothing and the river is the K to give her the win and sees me walking out with 8-9 tables left.

This seems to be my standard finish position ie good enough to avoid getting donk rolled but not good enough to break through to that top 25 consistently. I talked about gambling at stages and my reluctance to do so. As above shoving on the flush draw may have been a good play and seen him walk away but I cant say. ( he was top 5 chip leader and finished in the money)

Yet when I did try and gamble it also cost me chips - something I have to consider working on for $5 games to play with

All in all happy to make 2nd day - happy to finish in that position and extremely happy for the winner.

 

[GreyCrow]

I went and played a game after and decided to push the gambling idea a bit

The woman who I have described before as the Chaser ( flushed me out in a previous post) and I had a tussle. I had AhJs. Flop is 3 hearts. Chaser bets 2k ( this is 100/200 blind levels) and I called. Turn is a spade and she bets 2k again. I call. River is a heart to give me the nut flush. No pairs - all good. She bets 2k and I raise it to 5 and she calls with the 9H ???

Couple of hands later, blinds are still 100/200 - young fella on his phone a lot ,has already pushed 1 all in -I have QJD - raises to 600. I call. Flop is AcKcJh - he bets 2k I call. Turn is 10h to give me the straight and 2 clubs and 2 hearts on the board. He shoves all in and I figure he has a Q and wants to steal the pot or is chasing the flush - if its a chop then the shove is good. If it is a flush draw then that makes things tricky

And this is where I make a choice I should be doing more in the bigger games but dont because its too early in the game. I call and he turns over 9Jclub - I was surprised to be honest as I thought the Q was more likely. I close my eyes and turn over the Heart for the river and take his stack.

But poker teaches us humility at times. KQ blinds are 5/10k and I have a nice stack and KQo in the BB. Folds around to SB and she calls. I raise to 20k and she cries and says ' oh ok bugger it '' and goes all in for about 60k. I have the stack and the cards and i call her. She turns over 68o.

Yep hits the 8 on the turn. She ends up winning the whole lot while I finish outside the money

 

[MrKK]

I went and played a game after and decided to push the gambling idea a bit

The woman who I have described before as the Chaser ( flushed me out in a previous post) and I had a tussle. I had AhJs. Flop is 3 hearts. Chaser bets 2k ( this is 100/200 blind levels) and I called. Turn is a spade and she bets 2k again. I call. River is a heart to give me the nut flush. No pairs - all good. She bets 2k and I raise it to 5 and she calls with the 9H ???

Couple of hands later, blinds are still 100/200 - young fella on his phone a lot ,has already pushed 1 all in -I have QJD - raises to 600. I call. Flop is AcKcJh - he bets 2k I call. Turn is 10h to give me the straight and 2 clubs and 2 hearts on the board. He shoves all in and I figure he has a Q and wants to steal the pot or is chasing the flush - if its a chop then the shove is good. If it is a flush draw then that makes things tricky

And this is where I make a choice I should be doing more in the bigger games but dont because its too early in the game. I call and he turns over 9Jclub - I was surprised to be honest as I thought the Q was more likely. I close my eyes and turn over the Heart for the river and take his stack.

But poker teaches us humility at times. KQ blinds are 5/10k and I have a nice stack and KQo in the BB. Folds around to SB and she calls. I raise to 20k and she cries and says ' oh ok bugger it '' and goes all in for about 60k. I have the stack and the cards and i call her. She turns over 68o.

Yep hits the 8 on the turn. She ends up winning the whole lot while I finish outside the money

Played both hands well.
Sometimes the limp followed by "oh bugger it" shove is a monster hand with a bad acting job.

 

[go you pups]

Cheers , all the best to you

A mate had a table where a guy said ''I'm feeling it'' and shoved K2 to an AA and rivered the flush.

Lol, I did this in December when I was card dead in the big blind getting blindied down 4/8k bbs

Raise of 35k came in early position, I've only got 38k total, picked up J2 spades, everyone folded, I thought **** it and jammed

He has KQ os, he flops a queen, I get 1 spade on the flop, then I runner runner spades to river my flush, lel

Ended up eliminating the same kid at the FT that night to troll him further

 

[go you pups]

Big week this week

Will play a couple of cheap games outside of my usual games for a bit of practice/play against unfamiliar faces, then play the Vic tournament on the weekend

Will probably have at least a week or two off after the weekend