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GreyCrow said:
Yeah he would have - he is the typical pub player - there for fun and to make wild arse calls - but good luck to him he has a ticket to Sydney and I dont
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Lol, always happens

Yeah I won't see another state APL tournament until May. And they've changed the rules regarding qualification/buy ins too this year. Used to be qualify through venues, then pay $25 for a chip up, which everyone did.

Now it's $150 to play if you qualify, can use PT credits that you win when winning a pub night (so I've got 50 already which = $50), but I dunno if that is $100 still to buy in or $125 if they use chip ups still?

Anyways, won't worry about it for another two months, hopefully I win another by then. Apparently it's a bigger prizepool, eh wait and see.
 
GreyCrow said:
Yeah he would have - he is the typical pub player - there for fun and to make wild arse calls - but good luck to him he has a ticket to Sydney and I dont
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Sadly players like that won't adjust to the Syd tournament and get ripped apart.
Even if they try to adjust...old habits will reappear
 
go you pups said:
He was such a conservative player, yet still called a raise with 67s when he was short. Like the very next hand when he was in the SB it folded around to him, the BB is all in for exactly 8k having lost a big pot 4-5 hands earlier, he's already in for 5k in the SB as it went up to 5-10k. I tell him it's only 3k to call, he hates his hand but calls, then he sees what he's up against (98) and immediately mucks his 53os giving her an unnecessary free walk without a flop. Such a mess...
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I know it's only pub poker, but did no-one at the table have an issue with how this went down? Firstly, you shouldn't be saying anything to influence SB when it's his action.
Secondly, once someone calls an all-in then both hands must be shown and the board run out to showdown. He's not allowed to muck his hand. Both of these things are standard rules worldwide.

GreyCrow said:
Yeah he would have - he is the typical pub player - there for fun and to make wild arse calls - but good luck to him he has a ticket to Sydney and I dont
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I've been shaking my head at some of the people I've heard are going to Sydney, absolute free money for everyone else. Fair enough if you've won a seat, but some of these people are buying in direct and are terrible players.
 

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MrKK said:
I know it's only pub poker, but did no-one at the table have an issue with how this went down? Firstly, you shouldn't be saying anything to influence SB when it's his action.
Secondly, once someone calls an all-in then both hands must be shown and the board run out to showdown. He's not allowed to muck his hand. Both of these things are standard rules worldwide.
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We had 1 BB only needing to call 4k and he hesitated so much we had time to look around the table with waggling eyebrows and holding our mouths shut until he folded - he had 105k stack

It was such a dumb play that we questioned why he didnt play .

' I only had 2 low cards'' - mate its a flip and for another 4k why not??
 
GreyCrow said:
We had 1 BB only needing to call 4k and he hesitated so much we had time to look around the table with waggling eyebrows and holding our mouths shut until he folded - he had 105k stack

It was such a dumb play that we questioned why he didnt play .

' I only had 2 low cards'' - mate its a flip and for another 4k why not??
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Thursday night, BB is a guy I've never played against. 4-handed, 50/100k blinds and he has ~600k. SB shoves for 170k, he tanks for ages then folds 78s. 😲
He should be calling with any two cards, let alone one with a ton of equity heads up.

P.S. SB busts out shortly after, and BB guy from above says "see you in Sydney". SMH.
 
MrKK said:
I know it's only pub poker, but did no-one at the table have an issue with how this went down? Firstly, you shouldn't be saying anything to influence SB when it's his action.
Secondly, once someone calls an all-in then both hands must be shown and the board run out to showdown. He's not allowed to muck his hand. Both of these things are standard rules worldwide.
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I had a problem with it on many fronts, but the old bloke had one massive brain fade imo which made it worse, but it was one cluster**** from the start. I had to get clarification at the start of the hand from the supervisor that we always pay BB first before ante as she was 7k short all up to make the 10 + 5, she only wanted to put out 3bb 5a. I knew it was BB first then ante, but I got overruled by a few on the table so called him over to back me up which he did.

Anyways, so as I was dealing, I didn't think there was any issues with me saying 3k to call as soon as I folded and action was on him (blinds were 10k, but everyone folded so he only needs to match the 8). Then he had the brainfade, said he hated his hand, called then mucked. I was pretty annoyed on a few fronts that hand, but felt I had to let that one slide, the table didn't seem to care he let her have a double up walk (didn't help 2 of her friends were also on that table which was part of the early blind/ante disagreement which was on my mind if I called the supervisor over again to clarify over the mucked call)


I've been shaking my head at some of the people I've heard are going to Sydney, absolute free money for everyone else. Fair enough if you've won a seat, but some of these people are buying in direct and are terrible players.
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Lel

The 4 that I know who are playing are at least reasonable players with good pub results/good state championship/grand slam results. So hope they go well.
 
MrKK said:
Thursday night, BB is a guy I've never played against. 4-handed, 50/100k blinds and he has ~600k. SB shoves for 170k, he tanks for ages then folds 78s. 😲
He should be calling with any two cards, let alone one with a ton of equity heads up.

P.S. SB busts out shortly after, and BB guy from above says "see you in Sydney". SMH.
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The night I won a few weeks ago I had about 320k after 2 big double ups, folds around to the SB who's a solid player with a range of tricks, he only has 55k total and jams on me in the BB and I know he's been extremely card dead all night having played with him most of the night aside from when 4 tables was cut down to 3 (final two tables now).

It's 5-10k bb with 5k ante, so 45k for me to call in the BB with a big stack, however I know the SB could be jamming with anything but I don't want to get him back into the game either, so I look at my J6os, think about it then give it up, if I call and he wins the pot he's up to 115k and 1 more double up from potentially doing damage, but at 70k he still has to jam elsewhere

He showed 93os, so my read was fine, was largely a coin flip but one I could've lost. I probably call if I had J9-JT etc but.

He ended up getting busted by queens a few hands later with AJ by one of the guys I doubled up through.
 
MrKK said:
Thursday night, BB is a guy I've never played against. 4-handed, 50/100k blinds and he has ~600k. SB shoves for 170k, he tanks for ages then folds 78s. 😲
He should be calling with any two cards, let alone one with a ton of equity heads up.

P.S. SB busts out shortly after, and BB guy from above says "see you in Sydney". SMH.
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They're the players you want in the tournament though.

Like a guy I recently watched fold to a 3k river bet into a 45k pot.
KK8 flop
2 turn
3 river
He said all he had was a pair of 3s
I asked him if he was holding a pair? He said he was.
The look on his face as I told him he just folded a FH for 3k and at 16 to 1 on ya money ya call with any cards you've called to the river.

Like when people fold to an all in shove when the board is the nuts.

Brain fades or just faded brains
 
go you pups said:
Anyways, so as I was dealing, I didn't think there was any issues with me saying 3k to call as soon as I folded and action was on him (blinds were 10k, but everyone folded so he only needs to match the 8). Then he had the brainfade, said he hated his hand, called then mucked. I was pretty annoyed on a few fronts that hand, but felt I had to let that one slide, the table didn't seem to care he let her have a double up walk (didn't help 2 of her friends were also on that table which was part of the early blind/ante disagreement which was on my mind if I called the supervisor over again to clarify over the mucked call)
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Yeah, it can suck being the rules Nazi when no-one else seems to give a s**t. They should however realise that clear, consistent rules both benefit and protect every player in the tournament.

Re you telling the SB it was 3k more to call, it's potentially a violation of OPTAH (one player to a hand). It's a grey area for sure, and I see heaps of players do it. I even had someone who is a TD at other venues do it while playing on my table last week. Also every dealer in every Australian casino I've played in does this whenever there is a raise, although I presume it's so they can track the pot size for calculating the take.

Ultimately it's the SB's responsibility to know the BB is all in for less than the BB amount, and how much they need to call.
 
Anyone who plays at multiple venues notice differences in general play, or you just run better at different venues?

Had a game at my regular Monday venue from last year tonight, only the second time I've played there this year (won't play Thursday this week as I'd imagine I'll have too much on my plate Thurs/Fri this week), but had the same old standard night there, chipped up early, then plateaued after the break come 3/6k bbs with about 85k and fairly card dead afterwards as blinds got higher, jammed twice with AA and AT around a 45-65k stack (standard table practice ATT), no takers, then eventually got a shorter stack to call when I was UTG with a weak suited ace and had 55k with the prospect of being blinded down next hand. He had me outkicked with AK, board ran clean for him and I was out next hand getting blinded down with T5 nothing.

Finished in the points in 12th and busted out at 5/10k bbs, but like normal never got a much needed chip up when I needed to.

Standard night there is crawl to an 8th-9th FT place with a short stack or 10th-15th etc, don't think I made too many mistakes either, anyways, might cash there one day, but I seem to run better at two other venues.
 
Made one of the best/worst/sickest (delete as appropriate) calls of my life last night.

Blinds 300/600 and I have 40k
I raise to 2k with Ad9c in MP position after 1 limper. Button and SB call (both have ~60k), limper folds.

Pot 7200
Flop Tc 6h 5h, SB checks. I figure it's worth one stab so I bet 3k, both call. Ugh.

Pot 16200
Turn Ks. SB looks like he's about to get but checks, and it checks around.

Pot 16200
River 2c.
The blankest of blanks, but SB bets 18.8k. Now this guy had been making a lot of bets on later streets without showing and I'd figured he was FOS a lot of the time. My gut said it was a bluff so I called him with Ace-high (and not even the nut A-high).

Button folds and villain tables Qh3h. Button had KhJh and is sitting there with his mouth hanging open.

I'm hindsight it's a suicidal call in a tournament as I couldn't even beat all of his bluffs. But I'm trying to trust my gut more and I was so unbelievably sure he had nothing. At least if you're going to be epically wrong it's better to do it in a $25 pub game 😁
 

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MrKK said:
Made one of the best/worst/sickest (delete as appropriate) calls of my life last night.

Blinds 300/600 and I have 40k
I raise to 2k with Ad9c in MP position after 1 limper. Button and SB call (both have ~60k), limper folds.

Pot 7200
Flop Tc 6h 5h, SB checks. I figure it's worth one stab so I bet 3k, both call. Ugh.

Pot 16200
Turn Ks. SB looks like he's about to get but checks, and it checks around.

Pot 16200
River 2c.
The blankest of blanks, but SB bets 18.8k. Now this guy had been making a lot of bets on later streets without showing and I'd figured he was FOS a lot of the time. My gut said it was a bluff so I called him with Ace-high (and not even the nut A-high).

Button folds and villain tables Qh3h. Button had KhJh and is sitting there with his mouth hanging open.

I'm hindsight it's a suicidal call in a tournament as I couldn't even beat all of his bluffs. But I'm trying to trust my gut more and I was so unbelievably sure he had nothing. At least if you're going to be epically wrong it's better to do it in a $25 pub game 😁
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I think it's a great read and I wanted to hear that you reraised him so you didn't have to show haha
 
MrKK said:
Made one of the best/worst/sickest (delete as appropriate) calls of my life last night.

Blinds 300/600 and I have 40k
I raise to 2k with Ad9c in MP position after 1 limper. Button and SB call (both have ~60k), limper folds.

Pot 7200
Flop Tc 6h 5h, SB checks. I figure it's worth one stab so I bet 3k, both call. Ugh.

Pot 16200
Turn Ks. SB looks like he's about to get but checks, and it checks around.

Pot 16200
River 2c.
The blankest of blanks, but SB bets 18.8k. Now this guy had been making a lot of bets on later streets without showing and I'd figured he was FOS a lot of the time. My gut said it was a bluff so I called him with Ace-high (and not even the nut A-high).

Button folds and villain tables Qh3h. Button had KhJh and is sitting there with his mouth hanging open.

I'm hindsight it's a suicidal call in a tournament as I couldn't even beat all of his bluffs. But I'm trying to trust my gut more and I was so unbelievably sure he had nothing. At least if you're going to be epically wrong it's better to do it in a $25 pub game 😁
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Yeah the way it played out hearts or QJ (open ender on the turn) were possible bluffs there

34 got there though, but not a lot will call a 3x bb raise with that.
 
Played a different venue last night - bigger stack poker. Couple of hands I was A: amused B: flabbergasted

Blinds are 5/1 and the call for last (cheap) drinks had gone around the room and some had vacated seats. Cards are dealt and one lad BB sits down putting his drink into the holder but causing his cards to flip over showing JJ : when told he could muck them or keep them - knowing everybody knew his cards - he decided to play them

I look down at TT - but even knowing his cards we had 7/8 callers , including BB - including me. Its all about the flop isnt it? 7k pot

Flop is T8Q - happy with that. Checks to me and I decide to slow play it knowing JJ had to make the bigger decisions and I would play off him. With everybody checking I figured I was ahead

Turn is K - still it checks around to me so I decide to represent the K and to see what others have. I bet 2k. BB with the Jacks calls as do 2 others. 15k pot

River is a K , giving me a fullhouse - which I consider is better than trip 8s - better than trip Ks- Straight was problematical but JJ guy blocks that and the betting didnt suggest AJ and I have it covered now with the FH

UTG bets 2k next to act calls. 19k in the pot . I raise it to 6k and BB hums and hahs and then says - he could be bluffing - and puts in 6k. The others just look at him and say he cant be bluffing as they fold

Nice 31k pot

Made final table which i was extremely happy with and had about 330k - Prize structure is such that 6th gets 2x on investment. Just absolutely drew dead - so much so people must have thought I was a NIT - but I had 69 3 times , T2 4 times etc etc - pick up the blinds with an AQ shove but basically do play tight and wait for the small stacks to disappear.

Made final 3 and we started talking about a split but Big Stack said nah - and to be fair he had a nice big stack so his ICM wasnt going to be met. I had 220k? blinds are 50/100k and I am BB. I look down at 3c4c - ugh

Now my thinking is I have 120k left, I am SB next for 50k - leaving me 70k for the next orbit which with 3 people will be 2 hands away. So I am already considering my options

UTG shoves his 180k stack , big stack SB folds and I figure 3rd is good at a new venue and I am in the money 6x my investment - so I shove as well

He turns over AA - it gets better

Flop is A26 - 2 clubs :D

Turn is the 5 and I cracked his Aces and to make matters worse the river is a 7 for a 7 card straight and 2nd place

Even with 500k approximately I am well behind Big Stack. I am BB again heads up - though it doesnt matter as I see KT - SB calls I shove he calls and turns over J9

And hits the J to confirm his win

Happy with my 12x return and can now afford toilet paper on ebay
 
OnTheRocks said:
I think it's a great read and I wanted to hear that you reraised him so you didn't have to show haha
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That would've been next-level sick, but honestly didn't occur to me at the time.

It was a play that just screamed "bluff". Passive the whole hand then overbetting the pot when an offsuit 2 hits the river. Even the amount itself required a lot of chips to construct, like how people used to do it online by betting odd amounts.
 
MrKK said:
That would've been next-level sick, but honestly didn't occur to me at the time.

It was a play that just screamed "bluff". Passive the whole hand then overbetting the pot when an offsuit 2 hits the river. Even the amount itself required a lot of chips to construct, like how people used to do it online by betting odd amounts.
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And poor old KJ with the best hand outplayed by air haha but bit of a tough spot for him to call there with the over bet and a caller.
I particularly like how the play would impact your table image
 
OnTheRocks said:
And poor old KJ with the best hand outplayed by air haha but bit of a tough spot for him to call there with the over bet and a caller.
I particularly like how the play would impact your table image
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KJ only has himself to blame for not betting the turn with top pair + flush draw after we'd both checked. He said he wouldn't have called even if I'd folded.
 
go you pups said:
Anyone who plays at multiple venues notice differences in general play, or you just run better at different venues?
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I generally prefer to play against different unknown players rather than the regular venue players. Some venues might attract different players for various reasons ie; food, drinks, entertainment, lighting, ambiance etc. and this may marginally correlate to the quality of the players that attend. I find some venues make me feel more relaxed, comfortable and confident than others.
 
I feel the players at my regular venue are better than the APL average. I'm basing this on the larger events I've played where the fields are full of strangers from other venues and the majority seem to be bad players. I find that every starting table has >50% of people who are total marks at these events, compared to 1-2 per table at my weekly game.

There is another venue I've played at a few times in order to get the requisite number of games for state champs qualifying. I absolutely hated the venue and always played badly, I think because I just wanted to end the experience as quickly as possible. Just a sketchy pub with similar clientele.
 
MrKK said:
I feel the players at my regular venue are better than the APL average. I'm basing this on the larger events I've played where the fields are full of strangers from other venues and the majority seem to be bad players. I find that every starting table has >50% of people who are total marks at these events, compared to 1-2 per table at my weekly game.

There is another venue I've played at a few times in order to get the requisite number of games for state champs qualifying. I absolutely hated the venue and always played badly, I think because I just wanted to end the experience as quickly as possible. Just a sketchy pub with similar clientele.
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A few out my way have won states/made FTs at best of the best or grand slams so standard is reasonable normally, only 2-3 hacks most nights and they'll bomb out before the first break anyway.

But yeah, played Monday again and it stunk big-time, same scenario with under 20 again playing but was extremely card dead and when i wasn't, I'd be getting crushed with top pair or getting rivered by 2-3 outers. Won only 2 pots for the night (1 of those was a preflop jam with KQ suited at 1-2k bbs) and was out at 2-4k level. Lasted as long as i did as the only postflop pot i won was like 15k so was able to see flops/play blinds when i could.

Found out other regulars are chasing a 2021 APL millions ticket elsewhere on the same night, hence the low turnouts. Back to playing against 30+ on Thursdays then, much more enjoyable having a bigger field.
 
I watched a fair bit of the APL Millions stream on Twitch over the long weekend. Very enjoyable and the pace was great - the speed of decisions even when heads-up was astonishing, like a weekly APL game.

Some of the Day 1/2 play on the feature table though...jeesh, don't know how some of those folk qualified or had enough faith in their ability to buy in.
 
MrKK said:
I watched a fair bit of the APL Millions stream on Twitch over the long weekend. Very enjoyable and the pace was great - the speed of decisions even when heads-up was astonishing, like a weekly APL game.

Some of the Day 1/2 play on the feature table though...jeesh, don't know how some of those folk qualified or had enough faith in their ability to buy in.
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Would that have been Ladies Day?

One of our regulars was on that stream. She bombed out around the same time I was picking up cash on Friday night
 
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