Bailey sacked!!

[Demon 86]

i bet brocks sitting back thinking 'i told you so'

Yeah Brock's living the good life playing VFL

 

[JAMSTER]

thank god.


Horrible coach, although I do respect the fact he put the MFC first and blooded many young players this year when he could have played the likes of Bate, Dunn and Warnock.

Im now excited to see who will coach us, I got the feeling we will land a big fish.

If he was that horrible why was the Board about to offer him a new contract? I checked the playing list again and pretty sure I did not see Dean Bailey out on the ground, although he could not have done any worse. If you believe a new coach will be the answer you are kidding yourself. Malthouse even if he was available would run away do fast it would your head spin. This week you meet Carlton who laughingly accused the Dees of bruise free footy, and they were probably right.
I can only imagine what Geelong was saying.I hope some of the Melbourne players have a good long hard look at themselves this week because what they did to their supporters on the weekend was unforgiveable.

 

[Bartram_Class]

If he was that horrible why was the Board about to offer him a new contract? I checked the playing list again and pretty sure I did not see Dean Bailey out on the ground, although he could not have done any worse. If you believe a new coach will be the answer you are kidding yourself. Malthouse even if he was available would run away do fast it would your head spin. This week you meet Carlton who laughingly accused the Dees of bruise free footy, and they were probably right.
I can only imagine what Geelong was saying.I hope some of the Melbourne players have a good long hard look at themselves this week because what they did to their supporters on the weekend was unforgiveable.

If it wasn't for your mob, we wouldn't have had him in the first place.

I blame you, personally. You Jamster. Yes you.

 

[Major Colvin]

I do actually feel awful for Bailey. He had to go, admittedly, because members and the board cant be seen to tolerate such a performance. But lets be honest, we've tolerated mediocrity for so long anyway. Bailey was sacked to send a message and is not a reflection that for his near four years, he has been a bad coach of the club.

Someone noted quite correctly, Bailey until the end of last year had done exactly what was required. High draft picks, cleaned out dead wood, improvement in the last year. 2011 has been disappointing at yet we are still amazingly not out of the finals race. Despite that we have turned in some terrible losses this year. The players are very much to blame for what happened on saturday, but we had this coming (not to this magnitude) but a string of 10 goal plus losses to good sides illustrates that we are still, a long way from being anything half decent.

Our board really shits me. They are renowned for being biggest knife-wielding back-stabbing admin in the game, once again this is no exception. It should not be lost on anyone, Bailey presented as the exact person they wanted...someone with a developmental background, methodical, with an understanding rebuilding doesnt happen overnight...what this meant was someone who would definitely bottom out and get the right picks to take the club forward. He did that. Mature aged players disposed of before their expiry date, in order to blood youngsters at the expense of results. He did that. Now everyone's up in arms as to why we could possibly lose like that? Its simple. Years of losing. And by lots. So many thrashing under Bailey's era. Cant blame him for it really, just following the directive from the club. Unfortunately his limitations have come to the fore this year in terms of match-day decisions, which are poor.

Bailey may not be the coach to take this group forward but his tenure has not been a complete waste of time. I hope him all the best and hope this hasnt ruined his career (though it most certainly has).

Just another MFC coach/player to walk away/shoved out the door from this club with an entirely negative experience. I wonder if anyone thinks fondly of their time at the club - barring the special stories like Stynes?

 

[dee64]

I do actually feel awful for Bailey. He had to go, admittedly, because members and the board cant be seen to tolerate such a performance. But lets be honest, we've tolerated mediocrity for so long anyway. Bailey was sacked to send a message and is not a reflection that for his near four years, he has been a bad coach of the club.

Someone noted quite correctly, Bailey until the end of last year had done exactly what was required. High draft picks, cleaned out dead wood, improvement in the last year. 2011 has been disappointing at yet we are still amazingly not out of the finals race. Despite that we have turned in some terrible losses this year. The players are very much to blame for what happened on saturday, but we had this coming (not to this magnitude) but a string of 10 goal plus losses to good sides illustrates that we are still, a long way from being anything half decent.

Our board really shits me. They are renowned for being biggest knife-wielding back-stabbing admin in the game, once again this is no exception. It should not be lost on anyone, Bailey presented as the exact person they wanted...someone with a developmental background, methodical, with an understanding rebuilding doesnt happen overnight...what this meant was someone who would definitely bottom out and get the right picks to take the club forward. He did that. Mature aged players disposed of before their expiry date, in order to blood youngsters at the expense of results. He did that. Now everyone's up in arms as to why we could possibly lose like that? Its simple. Years of losing. And by lots. So many thrashing under Bailey's era. Cant blame him for it really, just following the directive from the club. Unfortunately his limitations have come to the fore this year in terms of match-day decisions, which are poor.

Bailey may not be the coach to take this group forward but his tenure has not been a complete waste of time. I hope him all the best and hope this hasnt ruined his career (though it most certainly has).

Just another MFC coach/player to walk away/shoved out the door from this club with an entirely negative experience. I wonder if anyone thinks fondly of their time at the club - barring the special stories like Stynes?

Don't let the facts get in the way of your misguided rant. For starters you couldn't differentiate between the role of the board and the admin.

And if the coach isn't responsible for the ongoing thumpings we've had, then what the hell is the role of a coach?

Bailey is the 4th coach we've had in 26 years. We've hardly been a ruthless club when it comes to sacking coaches.

 

[guitarded]

If he was that horrible why was the Board about to offer him a new contract? I checked the playing list again and pretty sure I did not see Dean Bailey out on the ground, although he could not have done any worse. If you believe a new coach will be the answer you are kidding yourself. Malthouse even if he was available would run away do fast it would your head spin. This week you meet Carlton who laughingly accused the Dees of bruise free footy, and they were probably right.
I can only imagine what Geelong was saying.I hope some of the Melbourne players have a good long hard look at themselves this week because what they did to their supporters on the weekend was unforgiveable.

supposedly some of the Geelong players were saying it felt like they hadn't played a game of footy. no surprises there.

 

[stickman11]

supposedly some of the Geelong players were saying it felt like they hadn't played a game of footy. no surprises there.

Something really stinks about Saturday. I am not say they threw the match, but if Brad Green could only get one possession by half time, yeah right. The club should investigate thoroughly and sack any players who instigated any form of protest in that manner.

 

[RedLegs#5]

Something really stinks about Saturday. I am not say they threw the match, but if Brad Green could only get one possession by half time, yeah right. The club should investigate thoroughly and sack any players who instigated any form of protest in that manner.

Yep. Something is fishy.

 

[Topkent]

Bailey was too much about development, that's all we ever heard about. With so many young players starting there afl careers out, they just want to get out there and have fun, but they have been drained with all this constant development business, instead of training like any other club ours has been developing for the future, we aren't here to win, we're here for development. All this development has taken the fun out of footy, and when you ain't having fun you lose by 186 points.

I know none of that made much sense, I'm just losing my mind, this year is dead to me, bring on 2012

mate you summed that up perfectly, i was sitting reading that i was so sick of reading the word development by the end of that, i just wanna win games, get the footy and give it to another melbourne player further up field.. it really felt like so many players were playing within themselves this year

 

[Professor Chaos]

He's just a scapegoat for the whole damn machine.

Coaches don't say alright fellas, go out there and not play to the best of your abilities. I'll give you a rough number and you lose by that. Today's number is..... 200. Go get em.

No, but 22 players, if you can call them that, remain, while the coach, aka; scapegoat. Goes.

Could have been any club out there, maybe the likes of a Gold Coast, Port or GWS, but the way Geelong were playing they would have beaten anyone.

 

[guitarded]

Something really stinks about Saturday. I am not say they threw the match, but if Brad Green could only get one possession by half time, yeah right. The club should investigate thoroughly and sack any players who instigated any form of protest in that manner.

It's hard to put your finger on it from the outside, but something ain't right. Maloney apparently didn't get a touch for the first half either. apparently he was sick, but two things on that. If you put your hand up to play, PLAY. Or the panel makes the call to rest him. Some of the match ups were bewildering. The old Watts trick down back again, Jurrah on Bartel wtf. See Jurrah run out on to the ground in his puff jacket? haha. come on....

 

[Crusty Demon]

Yeah, and he is also mates with CC who has been blueing with Bails. It sort of colours things.



I want a coach that underperforming players are scared to walk off the ground and face. I'm sick of these bloody nice guys at our club.

I still shake my head at the club making Connely head of football operations. The guy got beaten to the job of head coach, so we make him the head of football operations! Is anyone surprised he has been at loggerheads with Bailey? I mean Bailey beat Connely for the head coach position. Of course there were always going to be conflict between these two. The board are a joke and seriously have no idea on how to run the footballing side of this club.

IMO, Garry Lyon has too much 'influence' on the way the club is run. He is mates with Connely, and no doubt had a part in him getting a role at the club. Garry should either put up or shut up. Don't be half in and half out. He says he was going to call Stynes and have a 'chat' about the Geelong game. Yeah sure. He had a direct influence on Bailey getting hired, and now fired. He has a lot more pull down there than what he is saying. It's time he actually stepped up in an aofficial role and did something significant at the club he loves. Or, back the hell off and stop meddling with the way it's run...

 

[40yearBLUE]

Not sure if this has been covered but I think there is a culture issue at the club that goes deeper than coach or onfield leaders. And it manifested itself in the spectacle of Gary Lyon saying he would ring Stynes and have a chat about it.

I know we revere past champions, and we get defensive about our clubs but just for a moment imagine where a club is when past players, no matter how good they were, wield influence or even power at a club they hold no official post with. It only ever happens when a club is at a low ebb (or has weak management and board) not one on the cusp or a genuine contender.

For example, what if any real influence do Dermie or Dunstall have now, yet a decade ago no-one dared sneeze without their say so. Imagine for a moment Geelong taking their lead from Sammy, Billy or GAS, wouldnt happen. They barely get invited to club functions let alone ranting on radio they are gonna sort things out. Then contrast that with clubs that take their lead from just about anyone except their board, for example the Punt Road wind sniffers.

My point is, that the fact Lyon has that kind of clout from outside the club is a worrying sign and one of the first impressions I would want to be scotching if I were running the place. I hope they come out today (your management) and do just that.

Players and coaches come and go, but culture is hard to shift.

Nice timing btw, bruise free intervals is about the most we should expect next Saturday.

 

[Geoff]

Dee's supporters I feel your pain. Your current predicament is like looking into a mirror ala Freo 2003 to 2007. The Schwabb / Connolly teams stuffed our club on field. All the reports of Schwabb's micro management of your football department is the Freo experience all over again. Schwabb and Cuddles did a great job off field, they brought the club into profit and and increased membership. As for the players, in 2006 our leadership group were on the verg of a revolt and had a lockup with Ric Hart. Funnily enough we won 9 straight and played in a prelim the same year. Good Luck on your outcome and make the most of the situation.

 

[dee64]

Not sure if this has been covered but I think there is a culture issue at the club that goes deeper than coach or onfield leaders. And it manifested itself in the spectacle of Gary Lyon saying he would ring Stynes and have a chat about it.

I know we revere past champions, and we get defensive about our clubs but just for a moment imagine where a club is when past players, no matter how good they were, wield influence or even power at a club they hold no official post with. It only ever happens when a club is at a low ebb not one on the cusp or a genuine contender.

For example, what if any real influence do Dermie or Dunstall have now, yet a decade ago no-one dared sneeze without their say so. Imagine for a moment Geelong taking their lead from Sammy, Billy or GAS, wouldnt happen. They barely get invited to club functions let alone ranting on radio they are gonna sort things out.

My point is, that the fact Lyon has that kind of clout from outside the club is a worrying sign and one of the first impressions I would want to be scotching if I were running the place. I hope they come out today (your management) and do just that.

Players and coaches come and go, but culture is hard to shift.

Nice timing btw, bruise free intervals is about the most we should expect next Saturday.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Dunstall is the Football Director at Hawthorn, so I think he has a fair say in what goes on.

Garry Lyon is a highly respected football person, and I don't have an issue with him giving advice, or the club seeking his advice. The fact that he doesn't have an official role at the club is irrelevant.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Something really stinks about Saturday. I am not say they threw the match, but if Brad Green could only get one possession by half time, yeah right. The club should investigate thoroughly and sack any players who instigated any form of protest in that manner.

I thought the same.it all looked so familiar.
It's said that the McDonald thing and now Scully has unsettled players and I firmly believe precious players in today's game make all sorts of protests against coaches etc.
I swear to this day that Richmond did the exact same thing ironically against Geelong a few years back after Darren Gaspar was poorly handled and forced to retire.
This looked the same. There is no way some blokes were trying out there.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Dunstall is the Football Director at Hawthorn, so I think he has a fair say in what goes on.

Garry Lyon is a highly respected football person, and I don't have an issue with him giving advice, or the club seeking his advice. The fact that he doesn't have an official role at the club is irrelevant.

Fair enough about Dunstall then, remember him being stand in Pres for a while but thought he had moved away from an official role.

My point doesnt change though. I have no issue with official post bearers having media roles because they have a duty of care not to divulge sensitive matter, but I have a big issue with media people that hold no station wielding power.

As others have posted either put up or shut up. I dont care how highly respected a past player is, he is either in or out. If he is out he can comment to his hearts content, but this macho " I am gonna have to give Jimmy a ring and sort some of this out" stuff from a non official is a sign to me that the board has no balls IF it doesnt put him in his place. Come on board or stop pretending you have any power because if you are not on board, that is, hold official station, then the reality is you have no power. If he can continue to wield power or influence from a position outside official position then the club wont ever improve IMO.

That is the message I would want our board saying if someone like Diesel or Kouta was on radio threatening to sort things out if we were in this kind of position. Strong teams start with strong boards and management, if you need any further proof of that look at our board 2004-2007. Edit make that 2002 to 2007, I forgot about poor ol Smorgs and the debacle of the board merry go round we had for a while after the mess Jack left or if you want a bigger sample look at the Tigers boards since the late 70's and Graeme Richmond. They even had Bondy as a Pres. Nuff Said.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

I do actually feel awful for Bailey. He had to go, admittedly, because members and the board cant be seen to tolerate such a performance. But lets be honest, we've tolerated mediocrity for so long anyway. Bailey was sacked to send a message and is not a reflection that for his near four years, he has been a bad coach of the club.

Someone noted quite correctly, Bailey until the end of last year had done exactly what was required. High draft picks, cleaned out dead wood, improvement in the last year. 2011 has been disappointing at yet we are still amazingly not out of the finals race. Despite that we have turned in some terrible losses this year. The players are very much to blame for what happened on saturday, but we had this coming (not to this magnitude) but a string of 10 goal plus losses to good sides illustrates that we are still, a long way from being anything half decent.

Our board really shits me. They are renowned for being biggest knife-wielding back-stabbing admin in the game, once again this is no exception. It should not be lost on anyone, Bailey presented as the exact person they wanted...someone with a developmental background, methodical, with an understanding rebuilding doesnt happen overnight...what this meant was someone who would definitely bottom out and get the right picks to take the club forward. He did that. Mature aged players disposed of before their expiry date, in order to blood youngsters at the expense of results. He did that. Now everyone's up in arms as to why we could possibly lose like that? Its simple. Years of losing. And by lots. So many thrashing under Bailey's era. Cant blame him for it really, just following the directive from the club. Unfortunately his limitations have come to the fore this year in terms of match-day decisions, which are poor.

Bailey may not be the coach to take this group forward but his tenure has not been a complete waste of time. I hope him all the best and hope this hasnt ruined his career (though it most certainly has).

Just another MFC coach/player to walk away/shoved out the door from this club with an entirely negative experience. I wonder if anyone thinks fondly of their time at the club - barring the special stories like Stynes?

There may be a few quibbles with facts in this post, but I think the overall gist is correct. You really can't develop a culture where winning is valued, when you are essentially tanking. OK, I don't think anyone at Melbourne ever said to the players, "Let's get out there and lose. It's really important for our draft selections." But you see some weird positional moves, players being benched at odd times, strange decisions at the selection table and you can't help thinking, "They don't want to win this one". Players aren't stupid (most anyway) and they are surely the first to pick it up. Even if they don't it all gets played out in the media the following week anyway.

As someone said a bit earlier, all this "development" seems to have robbed footy of it's fun factor. Sure, they're professionals, but at the end of the day surely you want young players going out there ready to enjoy their footy and I believe they're far more likely to have a red hot go if that's the case.

Anyway, I don't know what the answers are. Doesn't seem like the best time to be looking for a coach, but as someone else said talk is cheap. So why not sound out Malthouse, Roos, Clarkson all of whom would be a good fit for your list I'd have thought. Failing that, I do like the idea of Scotty Burns from what I've heard/seen of him at West Coast.

 

[CaptainDavey]

Jesus Christ, Bailey is handling this press conference amazingly. Absolutely stellar bloke

 

[davey_magik]

Jesus Christ, Bailey is handling this press conference amazingly. Absolutely stellar bloke

Thought the same thing, but he's always been an excellent speaker.

I do feel a bit sorry for him and I do respect him but IMO he just wasn't up to it with our group.

He isn't the only one I want out the door at seasons end though....

 

[Topkent]

he has handled this amazingly well, big respect for how he has handled himself

 

[raven echo]

A classy and dignified exit by Bails. Seems like a great bloke and I genuinely wish him all the best for the future.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Great press conference. Handled himself ridiculously well. All the best Dean!

 

[Crimson Azure]

Jesus Christ, Bailey is handling this press conference amazingly. Absolutely stellar bloke

Well said, was about to post the exact same thing, great bloke.

 

[lickmerocks]

Ban anyone who suggests Garry Lyon. How many times does he have to say he is not interested?

Makes you laugh hey...

Imagine the conversation.

JS-Hey gaz are you interested in applying for the job?
GL Jimma, I am earning 1.3 million a year with all my media work and have 4 months holidays a year so what can the Dees offer me/
JS-Gaz we can offer you 500k a year max to begin with as we are tight with funds at the moment as you would understand.
GL-So jimma you are asking me to take on a job that is 24-7 for 11 months a year for 800k less that I am currently earning.
JS-Hmmm fair point Gazza. Catch you later mate.