Beauty & Style Baldness treatments

[fairdinkum]

When I was younger I used to lament the way that big business and big media profitted from the insecurities of women.

Now that I am older, I feel just as sorry (if not sorrier) for the men who are profitted from in much the same way.

There is a good biological explanation as to why women should fear the loss of their looks. For men, not so much.

 

[Taylor]

Keep telling yourself that Baldilocks if it makes you feel better....its been around for years already, and it wouldnt be prescribed here if there was any scientfic peer reviewed evidence saying it could be that harmful - this is a first world country.

You sound like you have a vested interest in these products.

I'm not trying to convince you to stop altering your hormones for the sake of your hair but you are selling them as perfectly safe and they aren't. Hormone treatments in menopausal women cause breast cancer, IVF fertility boosters cause ovarian cancer, so you sleep well knowing that your own hormones are scrambled.

 

[woopedazz]

Hormone therapy is generally not a great idea unless it is necessary. Going bald doesn't match well with necessity.

 

[WeetBixKid]

Keep telling yourself that Baldilocks if it makes you feel better....its been around for years already, and it wouldnt be prescribed here if there was any scientfic peer reviewed evidence saying it could be that harmful - this is a first world country.

Ironic that Thalidomide has been in the news lately.

 

[Eagle Empire]

Dimoxinil

 

[raticus_usm]

I went bald when i was in my early 30s.....tried to hide it at first but now i just i just use clippers at zero setting. Interesting thing once i grew my goatee getting girlfriends was never easier, was told on many occasion it was the "bad boy look"
Im no bad boy but who am i to argue?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Propecia sounds cool. And if you DO go impotent, well that's what Viagra is for.

 

[woopedazz]

Propecia sounds cool. And if you DO go impotent, well that's what Viagra is for.

Viagra doesn't work very well for proprecia associated ED.

 

[Hodgepodge]

It's a different kind of impotence HP. Viagra doesn't work very well for it.

Stiffy spray then.

I'm on anti depressants and I have had several sexual side effects, included loss of libido, lowered sperm volume, etc.

I put up with them because otherwise life is hell.

 

[woopedazz]

Would you put up with them if instead of depression you had a few less hairs on your head?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Would you put up with them if instead of depression you had a few less hairs on your head?

Maybe if i was 22 and I was going bald like Gary Ablett or Chris Judd. Particularly if I was already practically impotent due to my anti depressants.

 

[WCErevival]

About 23 I started taking after my old man and losing my hair quick. My housemate was in the same boat, but I noted he was using this drug called propecia/finisteride.

I started taking it after getting a prescription from my doctor, and have been for years and have a full head of hair, more than what I had when I started taking it.

Seems like not many people even know about this. They are all sucked in to the Ashely and Martin total horseshit. Had a mate doing this, growing horrendous looking tufts as excuses for hair - was ridiculous. Started taking propecia and now has much more hair.

Anyone else had similar experiences?

Finasteride is what Ashley and Martin prescribe. Its part of their program. It doesn't grow your hair back but stops you from losing anymore. Minoxidil is used to grow the hair back. If you leave it too late then you can't grow the hair back.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Finisteride is what Ashley and Martin prescribe. Its part of their program. It doesn't grow your hair back but stops you from losing anymore. Minoxidil is used to grow the hair back. If you leave it too late then you can't grow the hair back.

What a bunch of shisters.

Why do they 'prescribe' these medications as part of a program when they are freely available from the pharmacy?

 

[WCErevival]

What a bunch of shisters.

Why do they 'prescribe' these medications as part of a program when they are freely available from the pharmacy?

All the stuff they provide is readily available but they provide everything in one place for ease of purchase I suppose. Plus they are doctors. If you added up a years supply of stuff that you bought yourself it would probably be about the same as what A+M and others charge. At least there are things out there for when you go bald. I will probably start going bald one day. I wouldn't have any issues with paying a bit to keep it.

 

[Hodgepodge]

All the stuff they provide is readily available but they provide everything in one place for ease of purchase I suppose. Plus they are doctors. If you added up a years supply of stuff that you bought yourself it would probably be about the same as what A+M and others charge. At least there are things out there for when you go bald. I will probably start going bald one day. I wouldn't have any issues with paying a bit to keep it.

It looks like they upsell a few bullshit technologies. Didn't I see Shane Warne under some laser head thingy? That thing is probably useless.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

All the stuff they provide is readily available but they provide everything in one place for ease of purchase I suppose. Plus they are doctors. If you added up a years supply of stuff that you bought yourself it would probably be about the same as what A+M and others charge. At least there are things out there for when you go bald. I will probably start going bald one day. I wouldn't have any issues with paying a bit to keep it.

The bolded isn't true. Ashley & Martin are dodgy.

I went to a consultation with them but they wanted $3,900 for the first 8 months and then ~$2,000 for every year after that. I couldn't afford it (20 year old uni student) so went home and researched some more. Turns out the things they supply are a lot cheaper. Anyway here's what they supply in their 8 month program:

-2 boxes of 5mg Finasteride. A box of Finasteride is $120 from your chemist or $60 from a discount chemist and lasts 4 months. It requires a doctors prescription so you could add the cost of 2 yearly visits to the doctor too, providing he doesn't bulk bill.

-6 months supply of Minoxidil 7%. I get my 5% minoxidil from the discount chemist for ~$90 for a five month supply. They use 7% because it requires a presciription but from all my online research it is no more effective than the 5%. Even if it was more effective you could just use a slightly higher dosage of 5%.

-8 month supply of Saw Palmetto. Worth about $120-150

-8 month supply of their "special" shampoo's and conditioners. Just get Nizoral instead if you want. Valued about $100 max.

-Weekly laser therapy treatment which they admit is optional and only has very moderate results on top of a 5-10% success rate. You also get a scalp massage.


So in summary:

1 year supply of finasteride = $180 (proven treatment)
1 year supply of minoxidil ~= $210 (proven treatment)
1 year supply of Saw Palmetto = ~$150
1 year supply of Shampoos/Conditioners = $100-150 (ignoring the savings from replacing your regular shampoo with this one)
Weekly laser therapy = ????? Only has a 5% success rate so who cares?
1-3 trips to the doctor for prescription = $100 max
Overall: $740-790

So either you'd be paying $3,300 bucks for a dozen sessions of laser therapy that have a %5-10 success rate or Ashley and Martin are campaigners.

 

[WCErevival]

The bolded isn't true. Ashley & Martin are dodgy.

I went to a consultation with them but they wanted $3,900 for the first 8 months and then ~$2,000 for every year after that. I couldn't afford it (20 year old uni student) so went home and researched some more. Turns out the things they supply are a lot cheaper. Anyway here's what they supply in their 8 month program:

-2 boxes of 5mg Finasteride. A box of Finasteride is $120 from your chemist or $60 from a discount chemist and lasts 4 months. It requires a doctors prescription so you could add the cost of 2 yearly visits to the doctor too, providing he doesn't bulk bill.

-6 months supply of Minoxidil 7%. I get my 5% minoxidil from the discount chemist for ~$90 for a five month supply. They use 7% because it requires a presciription but from all my online research it is no more effective than the 5%. Even if it was more effective you could just use a slightly higher dosage of 5%.

-8 month supply of Saw Palmetto. Worth about $120-150

-8 month supply of their "special" shampoo's and conditioners. Just get Nizoral instead if you want. Valued about $100 max.

-Weekly laser therapy treatment which they admit is optional and only has very moderate results on top of a 5-10% success rate. You also get a scalp massage.


So in summary:

1 year supply of finasteride = $180 (proven treatment)
1 year supply of minoxidil ~= $210 (proven treatment)
1 year supply of Saw Palmetto = ~$150
1 year supply of Shampoos/Conditioners = $100-150 (ignoring the savings from replacing your regular shampoo with this one)
Weekly laser therapy = ????? Only has a 5% success rate so who cares?
1-3 trips to the doctor for prescription = $100 max
Overall: $740-790

So either you'd be paying $3,300 bucks for a dozen sessions of laser therapy that have a %5-10 success rate or Ashley and Martin are sillys.

I had a mate that did it that's how I knew a bit about it. I haven't spoke to him in a while but I know he wasn't paying that much. Was definitely under 2k for a years supply of stuff.

 

[Bernie Kosar]

About 23 I started taking after my old man and losing my hair quick.

Actually they reckon baldness comes from your mum's father. If your mum's father is bald you probably will be too. This was definitely the case for me.

I just went the whole skinhead thing.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I had a mate that did it that's how I knew a bit about it. I haven't spoke to him in a while but I know he wasn't paying that much. Was definitely under 2k for a years supply of stuff.

????

Unless they've dropped their prices recently but that is exactly how much they asked for. Not 2nd hand knowledge from a mate I rarely talk to, but the prices their sales rep actually told me.

Even if it was less they are con-artists.

 

[JG22]

Anyone ever used one of those weird looking helmets?

 

[Andre]

How much is the treatment and is it an ongoing one or something you re-do when it starts looking like thinning again?
I miss hair. Well not bald, but slowly receding backwards. I can keep myself in shape otherwise, but if I could have a full head of hair again I'd cry like a little girl.

Things I wish I could tell 38 year old me. "Let it go. Shave the head completely, you'll look 100% better then trying to hold onto hair for another 5 years. You aren't fooling anyone".

 

[Gough]

Things I wish I could tell 38 year old me. "Let it go. Shave the head completely, you'll look 100% better then trying to hold onto hair for another 5 years. You aren't fooling anyone".

38 years, luxury! *insert Yorkshireman gif* Mine was good as gone by 25.

 

[Andre]

38 years, luxury! *insert Yorkshireman gif* Mine was good as gone by 25.

25 onwards it was progressively going. At first tried to keep a normal hair cut, then went to no. 1 at around 40, but even that still looks sad. Now shave it with the razor once a week. Even tempted to go twice a week as by the end of the week starting to look a bit off.

 

[perthblue]

Anyone had luck with reversing grey hairs?

 

[Scotland]

Anyone had luck with reversing grey hairs?

Other than dying/colouring your hair I don't think that's possible.