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Since Anti Americanism is the flavour of the month, should be allow Halloween to be celebrated??

Hallmark has already pulled one over our head with Valentines Day so do we stop the rot and ban Halloween or allow Australia to be over run by this American Tradition (yes I realise it was a Celtic Tradition but it has been bastardised into what it is today)

The question you have to ask is how long before we start recognising thanks giving.

(hope i'm not repeating a thread)
 

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Grolm37 said:
Since Anti Americanism is the flavour of the month, should be allow Halloween to be celebrated??

Hallmark has already pulled one over our head with Valentines Day so do we stop the rot and ban Halloween or allow Australia to be over run by this American Tradition (yes I realise it was a Celtic Tradition but hit has been bastardised into what it is today)

The question you have to ask is how long before we start recognising thanks giving.

(hope i'm not repeating a thread)
Return it to its orginal form, and recognise it
 

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Return all the holidays and feasts to their original form and make the Christians come up with their own.
halloween and valantine days are hardly christian celebrations

I love people who complain about christian holidays while enjoying there 4 days off during easter and christmas day and good friday

why dont you just say those who aren't christian have to work on those days ?
 

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otaku said:
*cough* All Saints Eve???

*cough* St Valentines Day??


you dont know your history that well do you ?? :D
All Saints Day and all souls day are different while all saints eve is recognised the real christian version you go to mass not dress up like a ghost and trick or treat. The American Halloween is taken more the Celtic tradition. If you feel like knowing what you talking about you could simply check out the internet i'm sure it could fill you in.

the same goes for St Valentine days Bastardised by the Americans and set over here. Ask anyone in thier Mid 50's - there was no Valantines day until the 80's -90's - funnly enough i was having this convesation last night


so go and cough somewhere else or at least die quietly
 

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All Saints Day and all souls day are different while all saints eve is recognised the real christian version you go to mass not dress up like a ghost and trick or treat. The American Halloween is taken more the Celtic tradition.

the same goes for St Valentine days Bastardised by the Americans and set over here. Ask anyone in there Mid 50's - there was no Valantines day until the 80's -90's


so go and cough somewhere else
what people _do_ on that day is irrelevent. The actual holiday is based on the christian calander. The dates of St Valentines day and All Saints Eve are christian holidays. They even keep the Christian Holiday name. :D
 

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what people _do_ on that day is irrelevent. The actual holiday is based on the christian calander. The dates of St Valentines day and All Saints Eve are christian holidays. They even keep the Christian Holiday name. :D
so if i go and base an holiday/event on an Islamic event and call it something islamic does that make it an islamic holiday ?

Hmm let me think about that
 

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otaku said:
If it involves worship of an islamic saint/patron/personage then yes.
so explain to me how exactly the american version of halloween in anyway involves worship ??

walking around trick or treating dressed in ghost costumes ? and Modern Valentines Day giving loved ones cards and flowers ?
 

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so explain to me how exactly the american version of halloween in anyway involves worship ??

walking around trick or treating dressed in ghost costumes ?
"For example, the current custom of going door-to-door to collect treats actually started in Ireland hundreds of years ago. Groups of farmers would go door-to-door collecting food and materials for a village feast and bonfire. Those who gave were promised prosperity; those who did not received threats of bad luck. When an influx of Irish Catholic immigrants came to the United States in the 1800s, the custom of trick-or-treating came with them."

This was for the celebration of All Saintes Eve.

http://www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/Oct2001/Family.asp


and Modern Valentines Day giving loved ones cards and flowers ?
http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/valentine/history.html
 

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talk about selective quotes

The true origins of Halloween lie with the ancient Celtic tribes who lived in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany. For the Celts, November 1 marked the beginning of a new year and the coming of winter. The night before the new year, they celebrated the festival of Samhain, Lord of the Dead. During this festival, Celts believed the souls of the dead—including ghosts, goblins and witches—returned to mingle with the living. In order to scare away the evil spirits, people would wear masks and light bonfires.

once again this halloween is not the christian version. All Saints Eve never involved door to door knocking you even say it yourself with irish knocking door to door - the irish do not represent the entire christian faith. this is an american tradition.
 

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talk about selective quotes

The true origins of Halloween lie with the ancient Celtic tribes who lived in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany. For the Celts, November 1 marked the beginning of a new year and the coming of winter. The night before the new year, they celebrated the festival of Samhain, Lord of the Dead. During this festival, Celts believed the souls of the dead—including ghosts, goblins and witches—returned to mingle with the living. In order to scare away the evil spirits, people would wear masks and light bonfires.

once again this halloween is not the christian version. All Saints Eve never involved door to door knocking you even say it yourself with irish knocking door to door - the irish do not represent the entire christian faith. this is an american tradition.
How can it be an American tradition if it originated in Ireland?

And yes, it was a selective quote, as we are talking about the christian applications of the festival.
 

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Trick or treating is americanm in its modernformat, but I know as a tacker growing up in Liverpool UK we had Haloween parties every year, and a cub scouts at Halloween we would have fancy dress parties and the like.

The UK tradition is more of bobbing for apples, apples hanging on string, and other stuff. But just because trick por treat is American why does that make it wrong - just a bit of fun so get of yer high horses.

As for Valentines Day - why should what another couple do to say they love eachother be of any interest or threat to anyone else. TO each their own.
 

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otaku said:
How can it be an American tradition if it originated in Ireland?

And yes, it was a selective quote, as we are talking about the christian applications of the festival.
the irish who migrated to America started it - didn't you read the page you posted ?

but that isnt the christian application of Halloween
the only application for christians was to hold a mass and remember the dead.

I am not sating it is wrong i am just saying it is an american tradition look at Eastern Europe Christian countires and how many do you see celebrating halloween.

the same goes for Valentines day American tradition (you woul almost say a hallmark invention)
 

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evo said:
Wearing baseball caps is an American tradition too Grom37.Do you propose that we ban that also?
i would hardly call it a tradition. Its not like i am anto American in every aspect of life - I just don't too much of thier culture creeping into australian society.

wear your hat how you want - gee i see some morons with baseball caps on sideways.
 

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halloween and valantine days are hardly christian celebrations

I love people who complain about christian holidays while enjoying there 4 days off during easter and christmas day and good friday

why dont you just say those who aren't christian have to work on those days ?
You misunderstand.

I want all their holidays returned to the original form, that is Pagan celebrations. I will then happily continue to celebrate them.

What I want is the Christians to come up with a holiday / festival which is actually theirs. I mean they stole Christmas, Easter, Halloween all of them.

You make the point that non-Christians can't have it both ways by complaining and celebrating, I am making the point that is the Christians that are trying to have a foot in both camps by celebrating ancient Pagan festivals and still claiming to be Christian.
 

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Weaver said:
You misunderstand.

I want all their holidays returned to the original form, that is Pagan celebrations. I will then happily continue to celebrate them.

What I want is the Christians to come up with a holiday / festival which is actually theirs. I mean they stole Christmas, Easter, Halloween all of them.

You make the point that non-Christians can't have it both ways by complaining and celebrating, I am making the point that is the Christians that are trying to have a foot in both camps by celebrating ancient Pagan festivals and still claiming to be Christian.
Well as i said earlier every non-Christian should protest these holidays by attending work on the religious holidays such as christmas and easter and refuse the time and half or double time paid to them for being there.

that way you are making a statement to the goverment !!

what is the chance of that ??

They probably could change the dates of the events because they are just symbolism of the event. but not liekly
 
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Well as i said earlier every non-Christian should protest these holidays by attending work on the religious holidays such as christmas and easter and refuse the time and half or double time paid to them for being there.

that way you are making a statement to the goverment !!

what is the chance of that ??

They probably could change the dates of the events because they are just symbolism of the event. but not liekly
No, what should happen is that Christians should be banned from celebrating these holidays, and any new holidays the make up for the next 1000-1200 years, to make up for the years they stole the pagan hols. Plus, pagans should get double the holidays (to make up for same), plus free beer and hookers.

Now, where my graven image at? :D
 

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No, what should happen is that Christians should be banned from celebrating these holidays, and any new holidays the make up for the next 1000-1200 years, to make up for the years they stole the pagan hols. Plus, pagans should get double the holidays (to make up for same), plus free beer and hookers.

Now, where my graven image at? :D
well if they are pagan hols they are no significance because your pagan - so i suppose the government can allow you to hold your pagan festivals on saturdays and sundays - you dont have to go to work if you dont want to !!
 
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In France it's something quite popular, but it's stictly a kiddy thing, and the kids absolutely love it.

Sure it may have religious origins and been popularised by the Americans, but it doesn't celebrate anything American or try impose some corny values, it's just a fun day. It's less Americanised than christmas (ever wonder where the image of Santa Claus comes from?). To be honest I think you'd have to be a bit of a stick in the mud to complain about it.

Now, as for the commercial schmuck that is Mothers Day and Fathers Day, that's another story.
 
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