Bancroft overlooked

[LukeParkerno1]

you're picking one series? he averaged 18 in England.
we're not judging players on one series either.

Not the first or last to have a poor first two tests in English conditions Khawaja was terrible too. There’s a difference between two tests though and a lot of tests. Green has a test ton and a 5for. Plus we don’t lose anything in the field

 

[sherb]

Not the first or last to have a poor first two tests in English conditions Khawaja was terrible too. There’s a difference between two tests though and a lot of tests. Green has a test ton and a 5for. Plus we don’t lose anything in the field

We don't lose anything in the field if we pick Bancroft either. He's one of the best, if not the best, slips fieldsmen in the country.

 

[apollo_creed]

Not the first or last to have a poor first two tests in English conditions Khawaja was terrible too. There’s a difference between two tests though and a lot of tests. Green has a test ton and a 5for. Plus we don’t lose anything in the field

Not talking about bowling of fielding, purely the position of opening the batting and Bancroft's merits in being selected.
As I said I like Green and would like to see him in the team but I feel sorry for Bancroft as he has done everything he could to get selected, putting in two excellent seasons at Shield level.

 

[year of the roo]

Not the first and won't be the last player who doesn't get picked due to personality.

 

[danielnajdek]

The Clarke comment is funny. If Smith beat Laras record he’d have to bat all 5 days the way he has batted lately.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We don't lose anything in the field if we pick Bancroft either. He's one of the best, if not the best, slips fieldsmen in the country.

Green is just as good. Plus gives bowling depth. Saves Marsh from bowling

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Not talking about bowling of fielding, purely the position of opening the batting and Bancroft's merits in being selected.
As I said I like Green and would like to see him in the team but I feel sorry for Bancroft as he has done everything he could to get selected, putting in two excellent seasons at Shield level.

He didn’t make the most of his chance in the A game to smash the door down meaning 150+. Bancroft is fine but he’s no more than a 30 odd average bat at best.

 

[burge13]

Ridiculous decision. Do away with shield cricket, form there counts for less than nothing.

CA just pushing players down the T20 route with stuff like this. Madness

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Ridiculous decision. Do away with shield cricket, form there counts for less than nothing.

CA just pushing players down the T20 route with stuff like this. Madness

It has never been the only factor when choosing a test player. Gut feel of the selectors comes into it. If you can guarantee a genuine opener is going to average 43 plus I'm all ears, but none of Bancroft/Harris/Renshaw are so they are taking the gamble on the better bat which is clearly Green.

 

[burge13]

It has never been the only factor when choosing a test player. Gut feel of the selectors comes into it. If you can guarantee a genuine opener is going to average 43 plus I'm all ears, but none of Bancroft/Harris/Renshaw are so they are taking the gamble on the better bat which is clearly Green.

Green hasn't proven to be a better bat lol

 

[The 747]

Green hasn't proven to be a better bat lol

Green has a better Test average and a better first class average - that would make him better no?

 

[burge13]

Green has a better Test average and a better first class average - that would make him better no?

Bancroft the leading run scorer over a much longer period. Green hasn't been able to lock down a spot at 6

Bancroft deserving of the opening spot that just got created. It's obvious

 

[Cold Sober]

If we can get The Puc. on the park all arguments will be null and void.
Maybe the selectors are just biding some time.

 

[The 747]

Bancroft the leading run scorer over a much longer period. Green hasn't been able to lock down a spot at 6

Bancroft deserving of the opening spot that just got created. It's obvious

An average is the objective measure of a batsman. Again, Green has a higher average at Test and first class level, Bancroft does not even average 40 at first class level after all those runs.

 

[iDon]

Green has a better Test average and a better first class average - that would make him better no?

Provide his opening numbers please

 

[iDon]

An average is the objective measure of a batsman. Again, Green has a higher average at Test and first class level, Bancroft does not even average 40 at first class level after all those runs.

Form should be considered the metric, Steve Smith was in the low 30s for first 18 games or something. Didn't give him away did we.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Green hasn't proven to be a better bat lol

Has a way higher FC average, and actually has a test ton. That's not even considering he has a 5for...and he's 24 years old.

There is a reason Bancroft averages barely 40 in FC cricket

 

[apollo_creed]

An average is the objective measure of a batsman. Again, Green has a higher average at Test and first class level, Bancroft does not even average 40 at first class level after all those runs.

so you dismiss what they have done over the recent 24 month period and just consider everything else?

How many of those innings has Green opened?

The facts are Bancroft has done everything he can over the previous 24 months and dominated shield cricket opening the batting. There is a spare spot in the team to open the batting. The discussions around the spot have now been centred around either Smith (who has never opened and isn't in the best form) and Green who more often than not struggled at test level batting at number six (recently). Your argument is about what Bancroft did 5 years ago at test level?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If we can get The Puc. on the park all arguments will be null and void.
Maybe the selectors are just biding some time.

They won't consider him till he's proven he can stay on the park and doesn't need a break. probably looking at when Khawaja retires for him and that's a maybe.

 

[apollo_creed]

Has a way higher FC average, and actually has a test ton. That's not even considering he has a 5for...and he's 24 years old.

There is a reason Bancroft averages barely 40 in FC cricket

So again you're ignoring recent form over an extended period and only looking at the distant past. If you're not rewarding players for performing at a very high standard in our domestic competition then what's the point?

 

[The 747]

so you dismiss what they have done over the recent 24 month period and just consider everything else?

How many of those innings has Green opened?

The facts are Bancroft has done everything he can over the previous 24 months and dominated shield cricket opening the batting. There is a spare spot in the team to open the batting. The discussions around the spot have now been centred around either Smith (who has never opened and isn't in the best form) and Green who more often than not struggled at test level batting at number six (recently). Your argument is about what Bancroft did 5 years ago at test level?

Don't strawman me please. Poster said Green is not a better batsman than Bancroft. I posted that Green has a superior average at both Test and first class level which kinda refutes that. You are projecting the rest.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

so you dismiss what they have done over the recent 24 month period and just consider everything else?

How many of those innings has Green opened?

The facts are Bancroft has done everything he can over the previous 24 months and dominated shield cricket opening the batting. There is a spare spot in the team to open the batting. The discussions around the spot have now been centred around either Smith (who has never opened and isn't in the best form) and Green who more often than not struggled at test level batting at number six (recently). Your argument is about what Bancroft did 5 years ago at test level?

Green batted once this year in Shield cricket in his rightful position and made 90+. He's never been a number 6, he's a top 4 bat. We have the opportunity here to bat him in the top 4, we are taking it. It's not a surprise they are prioritising Green who is a significantly better talent it's not even close.

Bancroft is fine but he's like Renshaw/Harris, all are 30 odd opening options, lets take it at 35 (best case scenario but i'll give it)...are you wanting a 35 average opener?

 

[The 747]

Form should be considered the metric, Steve Smith was in the low 30s for first 18 games or something. Didn't give him away did we.

Does your post not indicate form was not the metric for Smith?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So again you're ignoring recent form over an extended period and only looking at the distant past. If you're not rewarding players for performing at a very high standard in our domestic competition then what's the point?

We are rewarding recent form, Green made 90 in his oly Shield match this year.

Shield form is only PART of the selection criteria, not sure how hard that is to understand. It's a part sure, it's not the only thing. They have to show it in the A games too, they also have to be a good person for team dynamics. All of these come into it, it's not just a Shield average.

 

[iDon]

Does your post not indicate form was not the metric for Smith?

When he hit form and making runs (still averaged in the 40s after his poor start) we didn't do away with him.

My point is that if people are bringing up Bancrofts por average and not looking at his current form then the same should have been applied to Smith no?