Bancroft overlooked

[iDon]

We are rewarding recent form, Green made 90 in his oly Shield match this year.

Shield form is only PART of the selection criteria, not sure how hard that is to understand. It's a part sure, it's not the only thing. They have to show it in the A games too, they also have to be a good person for team dynamics. All of these come into it, it's not just a Shield average.

Got it, it's the Vibe.

Thanks Dennis.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Got it, it's the Vibe.

Thanks Dennis.

Worked with Lab, worked plenty of times in the past. Whether you and I like it they rarely get it wrong. More than happy with Smith opening.

 

[apollo_creed]

Green batted once this year in Shield cricket in his rightful position and made 90+. He's never been a number 6, he's a top 4 bat. We have the opportunity here to bat him in the top 4, we are taking it. It's not a surprise they are prioritising Green who is a significantly better talent it's not even close.

Bancroft is fine but he's like Renshaw/Harris, all are 30 odd opening options, lets take it at 35 (best case scenario but i'll give it)...are you wanting a 35 average opener?

isn't that what Khawaja was before he was recalled? players improve.

based on recent form I'm pretty confident Bancroft could average at least 40 at test level.

Bancroft is clearly ahead of both Renshaw and Harris. He has been a better, more consistent batter at shield level over an extended period of time.

The solution to open with either Smith or Green seems to be like it's an acknowledgement of the fact he's the best opener out there and their determination to not pick him. I don't believe there still isn't a dislike from the four most senior members of the squad towards him that would absolutely have an impact when making selection decisions.

If they're not going with Bancroft then of the other options Smith opening, Green opening, Renshaw and Harris - I would prefer Green opening but he'd need to be more attacking and positive then he has been at test level thus far as his performances at number six were better when he adopted a more positive approach. If he goes into his shell and bats alongside Khawaja the team are just inviting pressure from the outset. Which by the way if the only legitimate argument I can see for not selecting Bancroft either (his style of play).

 

[Cold Sober]

12 pegs dont go into 11 holes, it's all about getting Green back into the side.

 

[iDon]

12 pegs dont go into 11 holes, it's all about getting Green back into the side.

This obsession with Green is a little over the top IMO.

Not going to be the greatest ever (like was first touted) and arguably just going to be an okay play. Why obsess about getting him back in when there isn't a position for him now?

Probably should be in another thread.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

isn't that what Khawaja was before he was recalled? players improve.

based on recent form I'm pretty confident Bancroft could average at least 40 at test level.

Bancroft is clearly ahead of both Renshaw and Harris. He has been a better, more consistent batter at shield level over an extended period of time.

The solution to open with either Smith or Green seems to be like it's an acknowledgement of the fact he's the best opener out there and their determination to not pick him. I don't believe there still isn't a dislike from the four most senior members of the squad towards him that would absolutely have an impact when making selection decisions.

If they're not going with Bancroft then of the other options Smith opening, Green opening, Renshaw and Harris - I would prefer Green opening but he'd need to be more attacking and positive then he has been at test level thus far as his performances at number six were better when he adopted a more positive approach. If he goes into his shell and bats alongside Khawaja the team are just inviting pressure from the outset. Which by the way if the only legitimate argument I can see for not selecting Bancroft either (his style of play).

See under no circumstances do I see Bancroft averaging 40 at test level. It happens on occasion but its rare players average more than they do at Shield, and he's not even averaging 40. I'm not against Bancroft being the spare bat on an overseas tour he can fill in wherever though.

Smith opening suits as it allows Green to play his natural way at no4, where he will be best suited. Smith also allows the domestic players to bash the door down especially the younger ones, it's not a good thing that your Harris types are being talked about as options.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

This obsession with Green is a little over the top IMO.

Not going to be the greatest ever (like was first touted) and arguably just going to be an okay play. Why obsess about getting him back in when there isn't a position for him now?

Probably should be in another thread.

He is basically the same as Stokes at the same time. He's tracking along fine. Rome wasn't built in a day, and in a stromg side we can afford to get him in, bat him at 4, and let him flourish

 

[iDon]

See under no circumstances do I see Bancroft averaging 40 at test level. It happens on occasion but its rare players average more than they do at Shield, and he's not even averaging 40. I'm not against Bancroft being the spare bat on an overseas tour he can fill in wherever though.

Smith opening suits as it allows Green to play his natural way at no4, where he will be best suited. Smith also allows the domestic players to bash the door down especially the younger ones, it's not a good thing that your Harris types are being talked about as options.

Do you genuinely think that Green has the technique to be our number 4 bat?

Maybe in aus on roads but we will be 3 fa not many very quickly away from home.

 

[jabba5114]

it appears they are hell bent on getting green into the side one way or the other.

it'll be interesting regardless of who's opening the batting, how long this experiment goes on for.

Shane watson 2.0

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[NoWuckingFurries]

Hope he nukes CA after he retires.
Throws everyone under the bus.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Do you genuinely think that Green has the technique to be our number 4 bat?

Maybe in aus on roads but we will be 3 fa not many very quickly away from home.

Yes I do. He'll be our no4 for a long time. People are look at Green at 6 and thinking that's how he bats. It's not. He's a genuine number 4 with a very high ceiling. Green at 4, and McSweeney at 5, Head back at 6 would be my ideal middle order in a few years. Really rate McSweeney as a bat too.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

So what's the current hierarchy of logic for player selection?

1. Mates with the captain
2. Mates with the inner circle
3. Vibes
4. Demonstrable form

Under some of the reasoning being thrown about here (you get one run in the Test side and you're done if you don't perform) Clarke, Hayden, Langer, Martyn, Khawaja and both Waughs never would have played Test Cricket again after their initial stints in the side.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

If we can get The Puc. on the park all arguments will be null and void.
Maybe the selectors are just biding some time.

So Bancroft's technical issues should rule him out forever, but Pucovski's issues with the short ball that have turned him into a walking future CTE lawsuit are just fine, I guess?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

This obsession with Green is a little over the top IMO.

Not going to be the greatest ever (like was first touted) and arguably just going to be an okay play. Why obsess about getting him back in when there isn't a position for him now?

Probably should be in another thread.

For a start, he's not the wrong side of 30. The team desperately needs a younger player or two.

 

[iDon]

For a start, he's not the wrong side of 30. The team desperately needs a younger player or two.

Young has never really been a massive thing in the test team, not sure why we need to look at it now?

 

[dogs105]

In 2023, playing for WA, Somerset and PM's XI, Bancroft averaged 48.5 (1164 runs) . Which is very good.


Left field - Australian who made ~900 FC runs at 52.7 ---> Michael Neser.

 

[The 747]

Hope he nukes CA after he retires.
Throws everyone under the bus.

He has already done that and he constantly brings it up whenever interviewed. What else is he going to say that hasn't been said?

 

[dogs105]

For the timeline, when has he spoken up about sandpaper? Because he was selected in the test team again in 2019.

 

[The 747]

For the timeline, when has he spoken up about sandpaper? Because he was selected in the test team again in 2019.

'It's self-explanatory': Bancroft suggests bowlers were aware of ball-tampering in South Africa

Speaking from England, Cameron Bancroft hints that bowlers knew about the infamous ball-tampering using sandpaper in the Cape Town Test against South Africa.

www.abc.net.au

Bancroft backtracks: I have no new Cape Town info

Just days after suggesting Australia’s bowlers knew about the Cape Town sandpaper scandal, Cameron Bancroft has seemingly backtracked on his comments.

thewest.com.au

Bancroft has no concerns over relationships with Australia's bowlers

The opener has played Tests since his ban, but it was comments made two years later which ruffled feathers

www.espncricinfo.com

MSN

www.msn.com

'I've paid my dues': Cameron Bancroft distances himself from sandpaper ball-tampering saga

Cameron Bancroft says while it would be 'an honour' to represent Australia again, his focus is on playing for Western Australia.

www.abc.net.au

There's a few.

 

[BStaff17]

Hope he nukes CA after he retires.
Throws everyone under the bus.

For what he really doesn't have a leg to stand on.

He had his chance in the team and pissed it away. Last time I checked he didn't have a gun to his head to take sandpaper out there onto the field.

He got 2 tests after sandpaper and looked worse technically then before.

If he was decent enough he would have fought his way back in a fair while ago.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

'It's self-explanatory': Bancroft suggests bowlers were aware of ball-tampering in South Africa

Speaking from England, Cameron Bancroft hints that bowlers knew about the infamous ball-tampering using sandpaper in the Cape Town Test against South Africa.

www.abc.net.au

Bancroft backtracks: I have no new Cape Town info

Just days after suggesting Australia’s bowlers knew about the Cape Town sandpaper scandal, Cameron Bancroft has seemingly backtracked on his comments.

thewest.com.au

Bancroft has no concerns over relationships with Australia's bowlers

The opener has played Tests since his ban, but it was comments made two years later which ruffled feathers

www.espncricinfo.com

MSN

www.msn.com

'I've paid my dues': Cameron Bancroft distances himself from sandpaper ball-tampering saga

Cameron Bancroft says while it would be 'an honour' to represent Australia again, his focus is on playing for Western Australia.

www.abc.net.au

There's a few.

Was one a couple of days ago too. It’s hardly what is going to make you loved by the team when unity and being part of a group is cornerstone to success. Is it the biggest factor no but it’s foolish to say it’s nut a factor everyone else seems to be over it

 

[big_e]

Form should be considered the metric, Steve Smith was in the low 30s for first 18 games or something. Didn't give him away did we.

True, but he was 24 years old at that point and was a recovering leg-spinner. Bancroft is 31 and has done nothing but open the batting for the last ten years. He's very unlikely to ever be substantially better than he is now.

And a first-class average this summer of 46, predominantly in a shield competition missing about 30 of its best players (overseas on international duties), and not having to face the best fast bowling line-up in the comp (his teammates), just doesn't cut it for me, tbh.

 

[iDon]

True, but he was 24 years old at that point and was a recovering leg-spinner. Bancroft is 31 and has done nothing but open the batting for the last ten years. He's very unlikely to ever be substantially better than he is now.

And a first-class average this summer of 46, predominantly in a shield competition missing about 30 of its best players (overseas on international duties), and not having to face the best fast bowling line-up in the comp (his teammates), just doesn't cut it for me, tbh.

Imagine ruling someone out because they don't face our test bowlers? You aren't serious there are you? Haha

Well Green is only making runs at FC against the same people so we must discount him too.

 

[dumb]

do the players lose points for not keeping their mouth shut about selection as well? because that had to count against bancroft too. he didn't need to comment about how the opening role needs to be a specialist. obviously he's there to score runs, but it's a comment that speaks to both his entitlement and potential resentment on missing out and how well would he actually fit into the team, one that still contains smith.

as for smith opening... don't really care. the comments about his potential to beat brian lara's 400 are out of place. firstly, because he's out of form. and secondly, the rest of the team has to stay in long enough to allow him to score that. can't see that happening.

 

[apollo_creed]

True, but he was 24 years old at that point and was a recovering leg-spinner. Bancroft is 31 and has done nothing but open the batting for the last ten years. He's very unlikely to ever be substantially better than he is now.

And a first-class average this summer of 46, predominantly in a shield competition missing about 30 of its best players (overseas on international duties), and not having to face the best fast bowling line-up in the comp (his teammates), just doesn't cut it for me, tbh.

our domestic competition has good bowling talent. the wickets generally do a bit as well so scoring isn't as easy as it is on some international wickets.