Barrassi or Pagan? - Kangas coach of century?

[FitzroyJamezDio]

Even though Pagan got the gig i thinK i would have gone for Barass!

what do others think?

being a kanga fan Darky's view should be interesting

 

[GOALden Hawk]

I would have gone for Pagan - Top 4 finish something like 6 or 7 years in a row, and more importantly, achieved without the advantage of the 10-year rule that North used so well in the 70's.

Tough call though!

 

[Mr Ripper]

I would have leaned ever so slightly towards Barass.

Two flags (like Pagan), but 3 other GF appearances; and never finished lower than 6th, and that was with a side than had won only 1 match the previous season!

Pagan's a worthy COTTOTC, nonetheless!

 

[Rooboy 96]

It is such a hard call... but I think in twenty five years time when the club looks back and Pagan has coached the club to 12 premierships... all will be happy...

 

[Rooboy 96]

MG... not a bad call on Rantall and Henshaw except Ross mainly played as a back pocket... Glendinning deserves his spot... and refer to my above post regarding Pagan and Barassi...

As for 1900-1924... the team of the century tag is related to VFL/AFL team of the Century... So all players that played for North in the VFL/AFL between 1900 and 1999 were eligible...

Sadly VFA records and triumphs seem to mean little today... probable like VFL records and triumphs will mean nothing in anothe 50 years...


BTW none of the Roofans appreciated Eddie's jibe about team of 75 year... especially when we as a club are older and have more history then Collingwood... just because our supporters in 1895 beat the crap out of a few piefans at Arden St... and Collingwood were too scared to play us... they didn't let us join the league... It doesn't mean Collingwood suddenly have more history then the mighty North Melbourne...

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96
It is such a hard call... but I think in twenty five years time when the club looks back and Pagan has coached the club to 12 premierships... all will be happy...

and you think Eddie McGuire is up himself

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by JUBJUB


and you think Eddie McGuire is up himself

and here I was think that I was being too conservative... I could have doubled it to 24...

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Magpie Greg


Rooey, I was being serious. I didnt know and what Eddie said only confused things.

Did you think John Ibrahim could have got a gig as a I/C player as he was a Vic rep for North in the mid-60s?

What about Ken Montgomery who I mentioned above? I always wished the No. 12 played for the Pies. Especially in '77

MG... I never saw John play but from all reports an exceptional footballer... maybe Grendel could add some light... he appears to know alot of that era... I will ask my Mum... when I see her in a couple of weeks...

Ken as good as he was would not IMHO get a gig in that team... Jimmy Krakouer appears to be the unluckiest especially when there is no rover on the bench...

I am not in favour of players with less then 100 games being selected in the TOTC so I have question marks above Davis... Rantall and Crosswell... Crosswell is probably safe as he was a member of two Premiership Teams which obviously counts for something...

I also feel Johnny Longmire was terribly unlucky considering he is our highest goal scoring Full-Forward... but then that was always going to be a toss of the coin... but John should have been in the top 26... IMHO...

 

[hotham]

Denis Pagan and Ron Barassi both have great records. However the difference between them is glaring. Denis Pagan is a North Melbourne person. In our TOTC team our coach, captain and president elect are all North Melbourne people.

 

[AlfAndrews]

Originally posted by FitzroyJamezDio
... what do others think? ...

I think you're a gutless little cretin with no musical ability.

40ALEXANDER ! !

What a crock of crap.

 

[Blues_Brat]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96
It is such a hard call... but I think in twenty five years time when the club looks back and Pagan has coached the club to 12 premierships... all will be happy...

I wont repeat your effort of filling the page with "HAHAHA"

So I'll say HAHA x 5000

It's a joke isn't it?

 

[Shinboners]

Denis Pagan for my money.

I think Barassi had more natural talent at his disposal than Pagan (off memory...Dench, Schimma, Grieg, Blight, Kekovich, Crosswell, Cable, Dempsey, Baker, Davis, Rantall, Glendinning as against Carey, Schwass, Martyn, Stevens, Archer, King, Pickett), and so, you could argue that Pagan has gotten more out of his troops than Barassi did out of his.....both got 2 flags, but out of 5 appearances from 74 to 78, and with a team that included Cornes and Ebert in 79, perhaps Barassi should have won at least a 3rd flag.

 

[FitzroyJamezDio]

Alfie? care to enlighten us? 40Alexander? what the fu ck are you talking about you hoon? LOL

smoking mothballs again are you?

 

[topdon]

I believe that Pagan was the correct choice. Denis has the superior finals record and guided a 'less talented' team to un unprecidented era of preliminary and grand finals. In the end, they both won two premierships, but the scales had to tip towards Pagan. He had been part of the North Melbourne Football Club for quite a long time, coached theit Under 19's, and came back as senior coach in 1993 after guiding the Essendon reserves to a premiership.

His record speaks for itself.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat


I wont repeat your effort of filling the page with "HAHAHA"

So I'll say HAHA x 5000

It's a joke isn't it?

Laugh all you want...

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by topdon
after guiding the Essendon reserves to a premiership.

That was taken into account and he still got to be TOTC coach... an amazing effort...

 

[AlfAndrews]

Originally posted by FitzroyJamezDio
... smoking mothballs again are you?

What's the matter?

Jealous or something?

You can have the pillow, I'll have the drugs.

Geez. I've gotta smoke something. 40ALEXANDER is so bad I need something to make it bearable.

Nah. It doesn't work.

You still sound like crap.

Go tune your guitar, stupid. That E string sounds like your pillow, reincarnated as a guinea pig wrapped in gaffer tape.

Actually ... no ... leave it like it is and put it on the next 40ALEXANDER album.

D*ckwipe.

 

[Gonzo]

As has been mentioned before I think it all boils down to the picking a coach that is more "North Melbourne" than the other one - if you catch my drift

Personally when I think of Barassi the Demons come to mind, however Pagan is North all over - even if he did have that mental lapse and joined the dark side for a year

Cheers

Gonzo

 

[FitzroyJamezDio]

if you say so Alfie? lol

hahahaha

if thats the best pay out you can do you've got a long way to go spaz boy!

 

[AlfAndrews]

Originally posted by FitzroyJamezDio
... if thats the best pay out you can do you've got a long way to go spaz boy!

That's cos I'm a f*cken gentleman.

Not like you ... you c*ntless christing hell-f*ck.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Gonzo
however Pagan is North all over - even if he did have that mental lapse and joined the dark side for a year

Which year was that...the year he spent at Carlton as an under 19s player, the year at South Melbourne in 1975, or the year with Essendon in 1993?

 

[FitzroyJamezDio]

no im a good christian boy and i go to church every sunday..something you should consider doing you horrible horrible little man with a di ck envy problem!

REPENT for you have sinned!!!

 

[Gonzo]

Originally posted by Shinboners


Which year was that...the year he spent at Carlton as an under 19s player, the year at South Melbourne in 1975, or the year with Essendon in 1993?

The year at Carlton we'll put down to immaturity (ie not knowing any better), the year at South as........ um.........research!! but the year at Essendon well that would just have to be some sort of mental lapse.............no other explanation

Cheers

Gonzo

 

[66MunsterT]

Originally posted by Gonzo
As has been mentioned before I think it all boils down to the picking a coach that is more "North Melbourne" than the other one - if you catch my drift

Personally when I think of Barassi the Demons come to mind, however Pagan is North all over - even if he did have that mental lapse and joined the dark side for a year

Cheers

Gonzo

Good Post, but Dennis didn't have the mental lapse, Brasso. did, he got rid of him.

 

[DarkRider]

Barassi by a good margin in my opinion. Ask yourself how many finals (let alone flags) Pagan would have participated in, but for Wayne Carey. This is the classic proof of the fact that players make coaches, not the other way around.

Barassi took a group of individuals, in a club with little or no discipline, and moulded them into a great side. Pagan took the greatest player on the planet, and then recruited others to play around him.

Ask yourself which meets the definition of coach.