Bartel Trade Good for Cats

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For Geelong to win a premiership they need a KP fwd. Nathan's to raw, Ottens is good if not injured, Kinglsey is to erratic, Playfair hasn't taken the next step. Trading Bartel gives the cats a great opportunity to get that player. Fevola, Tarrant, Whitnall etc.
He may not be the player you would pick if you had the choice. But the cats have an abundance of midfielders. Trading Bartel could get you a premiership.

IMO a Bartel trade is the best thing for the Cats.
 

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It's the same as the Colbert scenario.

The rewards of a trade are potentially wonderful, but at the same time we'd rather keep the player and not take the risk of it going pear shaped.

If he chooses to leave we'll be well compensated but i'd still rather keep him.
 

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The only player that 'may' make the difference is Fev.

He could have a stella year and kick 100 goals, but i am much like phat, i would rather not take the risk. With saying that, Jimmy is really starting to give the the $h!ts.

His behavior is pretty poor. He is not only dis-respecting his teamamtes, coaching staff, the GFC, but he is also showing his supporters no respect.

ADVISE PEOPLE WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE JIM. If you want to leave for money, then say so, if you want to sign, then advise the club so it erases all this doubt!

My guess is Jimmy will be gone, otherwise he would not be doing this to a club that has helped produce his talents.

The G-train is gunna retire, lets have the Fev Train down at the cattery.

I would be happy with a strait swap for Fev.
 

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The only player that 'may' make the difference is Fev.

He could have a stella year and kick 100 goals, but i am much like phat, i would rather not take the risk. With saying that, Jimmy is really starting to give the the $h!ts.

His behavior is pretty poor. He is not only dis-respecting his teamamtes, coaching staff, the GFC, but he is also showing his supporters no respect.

ADVISE PEOPLE WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE JIM. If you want to leave for money, then say so, if you want to sign, then advise the club so it erases all this doubt!

My guess is Jimmy will be gone, otherwise he would not be doing this to a club that has helped produce his talents.

The G-train is gunna retire, lets have the Fev Train down at the cattery.

I would be happy with a strait swap for Fev.

Carlton have gone cool on trading Fevola now and it will take more than Bartel to get them to do it.
 

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Phat said:
It's the same as the Colbert scenario.

The rewards of a trade are potentially wonderful, but at the same time we'd rather keep the player and not take the risk of it going pear shaped.

If he chooses to leave we'll be well compensated but i'd still rather keep him.
I totally agree with that.
 

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Never ever, ever, trade good young players particularly midfielders unless they force your hand.

It is to hard to find good players in the draft without trading them away.
 

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Keep The Jim...he'll be a key component of our midfield for years to come. All this contract wrangling will be over by next week surely- SIGN THE JIM.
I think we can expect to see big improvements in our forward line from H next year- Kingsley kicked 57 goals (as much as I love to bag him)- we don't need a Fev ruining team culture down at the Cattery- thats what Dog Johnson is for!
 

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For god's sake, end the speculation.

Jimmy's staying with the Cats on a 3-deal deal : it's been confirmed by player, club and manager.

Read the Herald-Sun today.
 
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Jimmy's staying with the Cats on a 3-deal deal : it's been confirmed by player, club and manager.

Read the Herald-Sun today.
I read the paper, didn't read anything at all from Jimmy.

Where exactly has he said he's staying?
 

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Carlton have gone cool on trading Fevola now and it will take more than Bartel to get them to do it.
You cannot be serious that Fevola worth more than Bartel? A constant skilled and hard at it player in Bartel worth less than a player who is more maintenance than results?

Struth!
 

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For god's sake, end the speculation.

Jimmy's staying with the Cats on a 3-deal deal : it's been confirmed by player, club and manager.

Read the Herald-Sun today.
I can read, Quote: 'The Re-signing of Johnson, 22 means midfielder Jimmy Bartel is the only Cat remaining out of contract, although a three year deal is expected to be finalised this week.'

You being a football fan should now that things change on a weekly basis.

My gut feeling is still that Jimmy has played his last game in the hoops.

Carlton have gone cool on trading Fevola now and it will take more than Bartel to get them to do it.
Dreaming, Jimmy is worth far more than Fev, if anything, Carlton would have to be offering the cats a pick and fev for Jimmy.

You Carlton people are still living in the past thinking that players are eager to play at your club. Unfortunatly, you are not the powerhouse you once were (very sad). Players don't really want to be playing at Carlton anymore, they want to play at sucessful teams like Brisbane, Essendon, Geelong, St Kilda, West Coast.

Your football club is the new and improved Fitzroy! And next year they are going to be even worse...
 

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Imagine how shattered Bartel would be if the cats decided we would be better off cashing in on him and withdrawing the contract offer. How small would Conners feel then.
 
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As an avid Bartel supporter, I was worried to read that comment from fpm84, and looked on the Herald Sun website to find nothing. :confused:
All that appeared was the portion thehoff quoted, simply a journo saying a deal is expected, nothing to do with the club, Bartel or his manager commenting.
 

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I read the paper, didn't read anything at all from Jimmy.

Where exactly has he said he's staying?
On the Sunday Footy Show several times, when directly asked about the contract complications he has said "I wish they'd hurry up and get finished, I am staying with the Cats" etc. Compare this with the "I really don't know..." attitude many players have when confronted about trades.

I have no doubt whatsoever that this deal mooted in the Herald-Sun will eventuate. "A deal is expected to be finalised" means "we're working out the fine details." Jimmy would literally have to pack up and leave suddenly for it not to work out. Can't see it happening.

Remember, if Bartel signs next week - he only took a week more than Johnson. Did anyone really think SJ would be traded or quit?
 

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Just a question for you fellow Cats fans who genuinely believe he's going - why do you think that? Purely because it's taken so long to get to this point?
 

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There was a direct quote from Paul Connors somewhere (Advertiser? Age? not sure) saying "we want Jimmy to get the best deal from Geelong that we can," plus Brian Cook and Gary Davidson have both said in the past week that they are "extremely confident" of re-signing SJ and Jimmy and that "the deals are almost finished."

Compare this with something like the Yze dramas where nobody will give a straight quote.
 
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That's great, but it doesn't equate to the club, manager and player confirming he is staying as you said though.

No one is saying he will definitely go, simply people giving their gut feel. Realistically, none of us know what the situation is and none of us have a clue what he's going to do.

Until he signs a contract or announces he's doing the bolt there will be speculation.
 
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Phat said:
That's great, but it doesn't equate to the club, manager and player confirming he is staying as you said though.

No one is saying he will definitely go, simply people giving their gut feel. Realistically, none of us know what the situation is and none of us have a clue what he's going to do.

Until he signs a contract or announces he's doing the bolt there will be speculation.
I suppose what they're saying though Phat, is that despite the lack of solid info that he definitely will stay, there is a distinct lack of any information that he is intending on leaving. At every opportunity all parties have indicated their preferred option is Geelong and it will just be a matter of settling on terms. This can surely only be a good sign.

That said, I share your reluctance to be comfortable in the present climate!
 
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The positive for the cats is that the clubs down the bottom and the clubs that have money to spend don't look like they have exciting young lists and bright futures in front of them. I can't see him taking the extra money and playing for a club like Carlton that will be down the bottom for the next 4-5 years minimum.
 

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I suppose what they're saying though Phat, is that despite the lack of solid info that he definitely will stay, there is a distinct lack of any information that he is intending on leaving. At every opportunity all parties have indicated their preferred option is Geelong and it will just be a matter of settling on terms. This can surely only be a good sign.
That's what I meant to say, sorry for getting slightly carried away.

Catempire's exactly right: the info coming from all three parties is that it's 99% there (remember, all 3 parties have been directly asked about it and have all given the 'Bartel will stay' answer) but there are some minor details to be confirmed. There haven't been any substantiated rumours of trades offered to Geelong for him, or a preference for him to move interstate or to a new club (ie the rumours in the paper today about the 3-way Melbourne-Freo-Kangas deal involving Medhurst, Bizzell and a couple of others).

Of course I'll rest easier when he's signed on the dotted line but I think that the speculation is baseless.

I look forward to seeing Jimmy win a premiership with the Cats within the next 3 years
 

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For Geelong to win a premiership they need a KP fwd. Nathan's to raw, Ottens is good if not injured, Kinglsey is to erratic, Playfair hasn't taken the next step. Trading Bartel gives the cats a great opportunity to get that player. Fevola, Tarrant, Whitnall etc.
He may not be the player you would pick if you had the choice. But the cats have an abundance of midfielders. Trading Bartel could get you a premiership.

IMO a Bartel trade is the best thing for the Cats.
Although Jimmy would be high on my keep list, I would not rule out turning the tables on slow signers.Guys like Corey and Ling who sign mid-year with less bargining power dont deserve the rough end of the pineapple in dollar terms.

My prefence would not be to trade for a senior player like the ones mentioned as I feel their cost outways their worth. Weve done the Ottens deal but it should be a rare occurance, mostly you end up chasing your tail.People have to realise that ther era when Carlton could purchase flags are over.Just like a farmer Id prefer to grow our own crops.Draft well and only trade when forced or to balance like we did with Ottens.

As Ive stated before my prefered position would be to do minimal stuff this year unless a bargin shows up,then, double down so to speak in next years draft which is supposed to be full of quality kids.If we are going to trade a quality player like Jimmy, do it next year, get an extra 2 picks in the top 20/40 players in a better group which will serve us better long term.Just like Bizzell got us Kelly and Playfair. Its essential that we continue to nurture for tommorrow,our list must never fall to the lows that that Ayres left it in.

OK so with this in mind, give Jimmy a contract for 12months at his demanded level or if we really want to play hard ball give him a three year contract and in 12 months time, shop him with us having more control
 

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Most posts seem to support keeping Bartel if at all possible. That's fair enough. I just can't see the Cats winning a GF without a KP forward. W.C. has done well with limited fwd options but there midfield kicks goals. Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Fletcher, Embley(wing) and even Cox. The cats don't have that goal kicking power in there midfield. Chapman Ablett and now Johnson are reasonable goal kickers but not potent enough on a regular basis. Windows of opportunity to get to a GF don't last long. Hopefully you guys are right and you already have the team to get u there. I know you've won with some big scores, but thats when you've dominated teams and everyone's lining up to kick goals. Teams rarely dominate finals games like that.

IMHO you need the forward now to give you the best opportunity over the next 5yrs.

Good Luck :D
 

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With Daryn Cresswell's love for Bartel, I wouldn't be suprised if he trying to convince Lethal and the recruiting hierachy at the Lions to attempt a Power for Bartel swap.
 
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