Bassett or Harris?

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I was going to post this yesterday and after todays result maybe some of your opinions have changed.
My question is by recruiting Bassett are holding back someone like Harris and their development?
I understand we will probably need both next week and possibly in the future but think if we want to go anywhere we need to fast track some talls asap and Harris shouldn't have been dropped this week.
 

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I'm all for giving Harris & Skipper (and maybe even Bruton) a clear commitment to play for say at least 4 games and see how they go.

And proper game time, not bench warming.

What have we got to lose?
 

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Originally posted by Chops
I was going to post this yesterday and after todays result maybe some of your opinions have changed.
My question is by recruiting Bassett are holding back someone like Harris and their development?
I understand we will probably need both next week and possibly in the future but think if we want to go anywhere we need to fast track some talls asap and Harris shouldn't have been dropped this week.
I'm all for playing Harris but I do not see the sense in dropping Bassett. Most backlines need three talls and Bassett, Croft and Harris would be the players that I would select. Kretiuk, if fit, gets the fourth tall and Robbins and Smith the smaller players.
Hargrave to cover any injuries. Bassett got beaten today no question but really when the opposition midfield gets a free run like today most defenders will be caught out.

I'm all for fast tracking some talls but think there is other players I would move out of the team before Bassett. I agree that Harris should not have been dropped.
 

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Re: Re: Bassett or Harris?

Originally posted by OldSchool
I'm all for fast tracking some talls but think there is other players I would move out of the team before Bassett. I agree that Harris should not have been dropped.
Agree about not dropping Basett. Not sure of the logic in drafting Basett when at the start of season you had Croft, Grant, Kretiuk, Harris, Hargrave, McGuiness and others as possible backline talls.

Looks like we needed a CHF, FF or another ruck?
 

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I would keep Bassett and promote Harris.

Those who should be dropped are : Garlick, Wiggins ,Eagleton, Hargrave and Dimattina.

I would bring in Harris, Skipper, Faulkner, McGuiness and Cross.

Bloody pathetic effort today, they don't deserve 92.5% of the salary cap on todays\'s and last week's performance.

I would also play Brown at HFF, and inform Alvey that he must develop a defensive side to his game or his out.

Our midfield was a shambles and our forward line didn't work hard to keep the ball in.

On the positive side Murphy, West and Brown played well.
 

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Please don't get me wrong, from what I heard I blame todays loss on midfield accountability rather than the Basett and the backline. Neitz won goal kicking last year and had an off week last. Essendon also played smarter.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Bassett or Harris?

Originally posted by Chops
Agree about not dropping Basett. Not sure of the logic in drafting Basett when at the start of season you had Croft, Grant, Kretiuk, Harris, Hargrave, McGuiness and others as possible backline talls.

Looks like we needed a CHF, FF or another ruck?
I think we drafted Bassett to add depth. Even before the start of the pre-season games there was some talk that Bassett was no walk up start particularly with Grant going into defence however, the injury to Croft gave him his chance and now with the injury to Grant we really are going to have to rely on him to perform.
We had a thread early in the year where it highlighted the logjam we had with regards to defensive options but now after a couple of injuries and poor perfomance we are once again looking light on.
Suggest that with Kretiuk likely to be on the sidelines for a few weeks McGuinness should be given that position.
Perhaps next weeks backline should like
B: Robbins Bassett Harris
H: Smith Croft McGuinness (Power and Hargrave on the bench)

If we can get Harrison back we should also be able to re-structure
the forward line which is also a real concern.
Then we can start on the midfield and our rucks.

Gee we have a bit of work to do :)
 

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Re: Re: Bassett or Harris?

Originally posted by OldSchool
I'm all for playing Harris but I do not see the sense in dropping Bassett. Most backlines need three talls and Bassett, Croft and Harris would be the players that I would select. Kretiuk, if fit, gets the fourth tall and Robbins and Smith the smaller players.
Hargrave to cover any injuries. Bassett got beaten today no question but really when the opposition midfield gets a free run like today most defenders will be caught out.

I'm all for fast tracking some talls but think there is other players I would move out of the team before Bassett. I agree that Harris should not have been dropped.

Agreed oldschool. I have no idea why brian got dropped, but i dont know if he will play next week. Didnt he hurt himself (groin) playing for werribee yesterday? Anyway i hope they bring in skip this week, and even crossy, hes been playing some good footy at werribee. I think jordy should be droped, and maybe dimma or garlo. I also think db should be droped after todays game, but we need his height.
 

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Those who should be dropped are : Garlick, Wiggins ,Eagleton, Hargrave and Dimattina.



No way should we drop Wiggins, the majority of the game he is warming the bench, give him a fair go!!!!! Hargrave has been promising too, so I wouldnt drop him just yet! But the others i agree with!
 

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Originally posted by jim440
Bassett was dreadful today - 5 kicked on him by half time.

I'd rather blood Harris and take the pain.
If we are going down that path we may as well drop Garlick and fast track Cam Faulkner.

This week's changes.
IN MCGUINNESS CROSS HARRIS SKIPPER FAULKNER

OUT KRETIUK (INJ) GARLICK MCMAHON EAGLETON POWER

Bandy is not 100% fit and if he was 10 cm shorter he wouldn't be playing. We are desperate for tall options. Maybe he should play in the goalsquare for a while.

B ROBBINS CROFT HARGREAVE

HB SMITH HARRIS MURPHY (Rotate through midfield)

C BOWDEN WEST ALVEY

HF GUIDO SKIPPER BROWN (HF line closer to the action)

F MCGUINNESS BANDY FAULKNER

R DARCY HAHN JOHNSON

I CROSS DIMATTINA WIGGINS BASSETT

This is a lot of changes but obviously showing faith by dropping only one bloke after losing to Richmond didn't send a clear message.
Malthouse,even after winning, dropped 3 players because he was unhappy with his team's effort. He does not accept mediocrity and that is why they made the GF and they are undefeated. Rohde has come out all guns blazing after the Dees game. He must now follow those words with action.
 

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The reason I would drop Dimattina is that he simply turns the ball over far too many times.

Yesterday he missed the target consistently, or simply blazed away to a pack of Melbourne players. His decision making is poor and has been for a few years without improvement.

I agree he does win the ball and shows endeavour but he really hurts us with ineffective disposals and clangers. I would keep him in the team only to contest in packs. I wouldn't use him as a ball carrier or outside player delivering to the forwards.

We must start to find replacements for players like Dimma if we are going to improve and actually contest with the better teams.
 

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Originally posted by SCRAY72
This week's changes.
IN MCGUINNESS CROSS HARRIS SKIPPER FAULKNER
OUT KRETIUK (INJ) GARLICK MCMAHON EAGLETON POWER

Bandy is not 100% fit and if he was 10 cm shorter he wouldn't be playing. We are desperate for tall options. Maybe he should play in the goalsquare for a while.

B ROBBINS CROFT HARGREAVE
HB SMITH HARRIS MURPHY (Rotate through midfield)
C BOWDEN WEST ALVEY
HF GUIDO SKIPPER BROWN (HF line closer to the action)
F MCGUINNESS BANDY FAULKNER
R DARCY HAHN JOHNSON
I CROSS DIMATTINA WIGGINS BASSETT
Your backline looks short
Drop Hargrave?
McGuiness off half back and Bassett BP. Murphy on the ball.
Play Wiggins resis if he is starting on the bench again.
 

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Originally posted by Knackers
The reason I would drop Dimattina is that he simply turns the ball over far too many times.

Yesterday he missed the target consistently, or simply blazed away to a pack of Melbourne players. His decision making is poor and has been for a few years without improvement.

I agree he does win the ball and shows endeavour but he really hurts us with ineffective disposals and clangers. I would keep him in the team only to contest in packs. I wouldn't use him as a ball carrier or outside player delivering to the forwards.

We must start to find replacements for players like Dimma if we are going to improve and actually contest with the better teams.
He had one "clanger" yesterday...

There was an incident yesterday where he had the ball in the middle, took 2 bounces, looked up and saw nothing but Melbourne shirts in the forward line and one Bulldog. It was 5 on 1. The nearest team mate was 10m behind him, and a Melbourne player was closing in. He had NO choice but to bomb it long and home one guy could beat 5.

This is a clear indication of not Dimma's poor disposal (as the guy behind was convinced) but rather Rohdes poor game plan. This is what needs to be looked at more than how Dimma disposes of the ball...

Dimattina tags well, and this should be how he is used more than a ball carrier, but when you're being physically beaten in the middle, than use him in the square.
 

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Originally posted by SCRAY72

This week's changes.
IN MCGUINNESS CROSS HARRIS SKIPPER FAULKNER

OUT KRETIUK (INJ) GARLICK MCMAHON EAGLETON POWER

Bandy is not 100% fit and if he was 10 cm shorter he wouldn't be playing. We are desperate for tall options. Maybe he should play in the goalsquare for a while.

B ROBBINS CROFT HARGREAVE

HB SMITH HARRIS MURPHY (Rotate through midfield)

C BOWDEN WEST ALVEY

HF GUIDO SKIPPER BROWN (HF line closer to the action)

F MCGUINNESS BANDY FAULKNER

R DARCY HAHN JOHNSON

I CROSS DIMATTINA WIGGINS BASSETT

If you're going to start Wiggins on the bench then you're not better than Rohdes. Either leave him on the field for the whole game or play him in the two's.

Bandy should be dropped, not put at FF. He is not a FF. He is struggling and hasn't played a decent game since half way through last year. He needs to be dropped to put a rocket up his behind.

I can't understand your motive for dropping either Jordy or Eagle. I don't think they did a hell of a lot wrong yesterday, Eagle spending much of the game on the bench and Jordy was ok.

Bowden on the wing is a joke isnt it? He's not quick enough on the wing, he should be in the side, no question, but see above comment. You'd drop two quicker players and put Bowds on the wing? Doesn't make sense. He's a good mark when he uses softer hands and a great kick. With the deficiencies in the forward structure, Bowden has to be a forward option.
 
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I would chose harris over bass .Bass got killed in the first qtr and i would prefer someone like harris to get a go.As for droping players why eagleton he did alright once he came onto the ground.I agree with dropping hargrave though give him a week playing for weribe might do him the world of good as he hasnt had a good start to the season at all.Hopefuly this week rhode makes a few changes and finally brings in guys that deserve a go like skip crossy and faulkner.
 

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Dimma should stay for now. He's been far from our worst player. In fact, he's been quite reasonable even factoring in his sometimes poor disposal. Plenty of others are ahead of him in the queue for a game at Werribee.

Bassett of Harris - haven't seen either do enough ever to have a clear preference. Happy to give Bassett a decent shot at it first and require decent football from Harris at Werribee before he gets in. Apart from first qtr against Bris pre-season, haven't seen too much to like from Bassett yet.

McGuiness played well fro Werribee and should come in. I'd play him half back even though I think he has the makings of a FF. I wouldn't drop Hargrave yet but he's certainly deserved it. I'd give him a shot up forward first. He's playing too bad to be left down back. Perhaps CHF.
 

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If you're going to start Wiggins on the bench then you're not better than Rohdes. Either leave him on the field for the whole game or play him in the two's.

Bandy should be dropped, not put at FF. He is not a FF. He is struggling and hasn't played a decent game since half way through last year. He needs to be dropped to put a rocket up his behind.

I can't understand your motive for dropping either Jordy or Eagle. I don't think they did a hell of a lot wrong yesterday, Eagle spending much of the game on the bench and Jordy was ok.

Bowden on the wing is a joke isnt it? He's not quick enough on the wing, he should be in the side, no question, but see above comment. You'd drop two quicker players and put Bowds on the wing? Doesn't make sense. He's a good mark when he uses softer hands and a great kick. With the deficiencies in the forward structure, Bowden has to be a forward option.
You 're right, swap Bandy and Wiggins around and send a message to Bandy that even though he is carrying an injury his performances have been unacceptable.
Bowden is mobile enough to play as a tall midfielder but it really depends on how Essendon match up bearing in mind they might lose Barnard,Lloyd,Misiti and Wellman.
 

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Originally posted by SCRAY72
You 're right, swap Bandy and Wiggins around and send a message to Bandy that even though he is carrying an injury his performances have been unacceptable.
Bowden is mobile enough to play as a tall midfielder but it really depends on how Essendon match up bearing in mind they might lose Barnard,Lloyd,Misiti and Wellman.
I would have thought it was simple. If you're injured, you don't play.

No one accepts "passengers" and carrying Bandy is not acceptable. Injury, poor form, whatever is his problem, he shouldn't be in the side. Simple.
 

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Originally posted by Knackers
The reason I would drop Dimattina is that he simply turns the ball over far too many times.

Yesterday he missed the target consistently, or simply blazed away to a pack of Melbourne players. His decision making is poor and has been for a few years without improvement.

I agree he does win the ball and shows endeavour but he really hurts us with ineffective disposals and clangers. I would keep him in the team only to contest in packs. I wouldn't use him as a ball carrier or outside player delivering to the forwards.

We must start to find replacements for players like Dimma if we are going to improve and actually contest with the better teams.
I thought at the start of the year rhodes was trying to implement a structure where we had a chance of bombing to the hotspots. i.e. tall marking forwards with guys like Brown and Garlick crumbing the spillages, but so far we have played small forwards who need pinpoint passing.

Id rather have dimma winning the ball and kicking to the opposition 50m downfield than just letting the opposition win the ball and kick it 50m upfield.
 

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If Bandys mobility is hindered, why not let him camp in the forward pocket and play wiggins or skipper at chf instead?

He would be effectively keeping a tall defender out of the play, and he would offer a target for long bombs. He could even be instructred to drag his defender away to the boundary.
 

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Originally posted by stefoid
If Bandys mobility is hindered, why not let him camp in the forward pocket and play wiggins or skipper at chf instead?

He would be effectively keeping a tall defender out of the play, and he would offer a target for long bombs. He could even be instructred to drag his defender away to the boundary.
Basically because at the moment he's struggling to get a mark or a kick and his man gets BOG.

If he's injured, he shouldn't be there.

However, if he was Chris Grant, i'd hold a different opinion. Unfortunatly, he doesn't have the same attributes as the great man.
 

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Id rather have dimma winning the ball and kicking to the opposition 50m downfield than just letting the opposition win the ball and kick it 50m upfield.
I wouldn't !

I would rather have a player in his spot winning the ball and kicking to one of his team mates 50m upfield.

Bombing to opposition players is pointless, you may as well hit the boundary line, at least you get a 50/50 chance of getting the ball from the throw in.
 

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Originally posted by Knackers
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I wouldn't !

I would rather have a player in his spot winning the ball and kicking to one of his team mates 50m upfield.

Bombing to opposition players is pointless, you may as well hit the boundary line, at least you get a 50/50 chance of getting the ball from the throw in.
When you're clear in the middle of the ground, you want him to kick 50m sideways to hit the line?

The problem is when he gets it, and this goes for anyone, they look up and see 4-1 5-1 10-1, it doesn't matter if your Anthony Rocca, you ain't gonna hit anyway in a contest like that.
 
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