Phantom Draft Bastyy's 2021 AFL Draft Watch

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Bastyy

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I was wondering on what basis you think Corey Warner will go at Number 1? He wasn’t named in the AFL academy for 2021, he never made the WA U18 squad In 2020. I am not saying he won’t get drafted but he is almost 0% chance of being the first name name called out on draft night.
I don’t think Warner will go number 1, I just think he’ll end up my favourite player in this draft. I love the speed he brings to games and his ability in bad weather for East Fremantle late in the year was seriously impressive.

Injury or no injury, he was never getting drafted. Romantic story as is always with the younger brothers but Josh is not AFL standard- quite a long way off unfortunately. Clunky and lacks speed, skills. If he had a different surname, no-one one would have ever mentioned his name. Not even sure if he’ll be a wafl league player.
Agree here, was just surprised he didn’t get a year on a colts list or so
I am also unsure what to make of this kid. I find him inconsistent but has the flair and pizzazz like Many other small forwards which gets you talked about. Also the surname. Can fade in and out of games but that is also acceptable for a SF. I could see him getting drafted To the right team At the right pick and I could also see him being overlooked. He’s that type of player. Interestingly was overlooked for the WA U18 squad at the end of 2020 and wasn’t one of the WA kids in the AFL academy for 2021.

Why do you think he’ll play Colts and not PSA? PSA is compulsory for these lads so he might get a couple of wafl games in before And after the PSA Season but that’s it. I see PSA as a bit of a closed shop- no stats except goals and sometimes a write up/opinion by one journalist here in Perth. If they ever interview the coaches, of course they are going to talk up the kids under them- PSA schools are a financial business who use their AFL draftees as their advertising. It was laughable reading about some of the kids the coaches talked about last year.


What do you think if the four WA kids who made the AFL academy? You’ve not mentioned Jack Williams - how do you rate him?
Motlop I have around 25 at the moment, I do mention that I’m quite fond of him but I would like to see how he goes next year against better defenders at a colts or state carnival level. If you look at some small forwards drafted in the past few years (Dan Rioli, Blake Coleman) they’re drafted on match winning ability, which Motlop has or on upside/ability to move into the midfield (Liam Henry, Jack Mahony) which Motlop has played before but he’d be a long way off playing midfield at AFL level. Inconsistency is something a lot of recruiters try and back their development team with, look at Tyler Brockman, who didn’t have the best performances consistently but got drafted on upside and match winning ability. Of course Motlop has to go against a plethora of Victorian kids in this years draft that didn’t play last year, but that’s going to be the challenge for all WA kids anyway

My understanding of the PSA is that a lot of players have already graduated by age 18 and play full colts seasons after. DGB and McDonald for example both played WAFL this year despite playing PSA in past years. I could be wrong and Motlop could be playing PSA still next year, but best case scenario he’s not doing that as his 7 goal hauls on more than one occasion prove he’s a level above

Of the 4 WA state kids I rate them Johnson > Van Rooyen > Bazzo > Williams (obviously I have van Rooyen above Johnson on my current rankings but I’m already doing shift arounds). It’s easy to try to compare van Rooyen and Bazzo against McDonald and DGB/Chapman but I think McDonald is the best WA under age tall forward we’ll have in a long time and I don’t see Bazzo ending up as a top 10 prospect, both will end up mid first round more than likely but an extra year of development could mean they compete very well against Victorian KPP’s at a carnival. Johnson is already such a powerful midfield presence and is incredibly classy, something I really rate in a player. Williams I’m unsure about. His good games were good but his bad games were undraftable for my liking. I think clubs look at his good games and the fact he has a birthday late in the year and again look at his upside. I’m still yet to have a concrete opinion on him, but his name is well and truly on the radar now
 

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I don’t think Warner will go number 1, I just think he’ll end up my favourite player in this draft. I love the speed he brings to games and his ability in bad weather for East Fremantle late in the year was seriously impressive.


Agree here, was just surprised he didn’t get a year on a colts list or so

Motlop I have around 25 at the moment, I do mention that I’m quite fond of him but I would like to see how he goes next year against better defenders at a colts or state carnival level. If you look at some small forwards drafted in the past few years (Dan Rioli, Blake Coleman) they’re drafted on match winning ability, which Motlop has or on upside/ability to move into the midfield (Liam Henry, Jack Mahony) which Motlop has played before but he’d be a long way off playing midfield at AFL level. Inconsistency is something a lot of recruiters try and back their development team with, look at Tyler Brockman, who didn’t have the best performances consistently but got drafted on upside and match winning ability. Of course Motlop has to go against a plethora of Victorian kids in this years draft that didn’t play last year, but that’s going to be the challenge for all WA kids anyway

My understanding of the PSA is that a lot of players have already graduated by age 18 and play full colts seasons after. DGB and McDonald for example both played WAFL this year despite playing PSA in past years. I could be wrong and Motlop could be playing PSA still next year, but best case scenario he’s not doing that as his 7 goal hauls on more than one occasion prove he’s a level above

Of the 4 WA state kids I rate them Johnson > Van Rooyen > Bazzo > Williams (obviously I have van Rooyen above Johnson on my current rankings but I’m already doing shift arounds). It’s easy to try to compare van Rooyen and Bazzo against McDonald and DGB/Chapman but I think McDonald is the best WA under age tall forward we’ll have in a long time and I don’t see Bazzo ending up as a top 10 prospect, both will end up mid first round more than likely but an extra year of development could mean they compete very well against Victorian KPP’s at a carnival. Johnson is already such a powerful midfield presence and is incredibly classy, something I really rate in a player. Williams I’m unsure about. His good games were good but his bad games were undraftable for my liking. I think clubs look at his good games and the fact he has a birthday late in the year and again look at his upside. I’m still yet to have a concrete opinion on him, but his name is well and truly on the radar now
I am pretty much in the same page as you the every player.

PSA is obviously school based and school years go July to June. So that means only half of a draftable cohort finished year 12 the year before (those born Jan-June) and players like Motlop and others born July to Dec (Warner, williams etc) are all in Year 12 this year so Motlop and Warner will have to play PSA as first optioN. The other half of this year’s Year 12‘S are born in Jan to June 2004 so they get to play PSA and then wafl next year in their draft year.

Totally agree with your analysis of Williams. He played a couple of good games and his others were very very average. Even his good games were when the EF midfield were firing and he was on the end of their play. Drops his head far too easily. But has the right body type for a forward. I was pretty surprised to see his name in the academy - I don’t think he is one of the best 4 draft prospects we have this year. He could come out and prove me wrong though. Someone must see something in him. A direct comparison to van Rooyen though which could hurt his chances? Can two WA forwards get taken?
 

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Injury or no injury, he was never getting drafted. Romantic story as is always with the younger brothers but Josh is not AFL standard- quite a long way off unfortunately. Clunky and lacks speed, skills. If he had a different surname, no-one one would have ever mentioned his name. Not even sure if he’ll be a wafl league player.
You seem closer to the action mate and more in the know regarding Cripps....I noticed despite last year's knee injury playing PSA for Aquinas, Cripps has never played an EF colts game yet....he must be getting on to being 19,-so you might be on the money there with the kids footy prowess...or apparent lack of.....as you say a good romance story for all n sundry
 

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BigDance

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You seem closer to the action mate and more in the know regarding Cripps....I noticed despite last year's knee injury playing PSA for Aquinas, Cripps has never played an EF colts game yet....he must be getting on to being 19,-so you might be on the money there with the kids footy prowess...or apparent lack of.....as you say a good romance story for all n sundry
It’s no knock on the kid. It’s just how it is. The footy Romance stories fill the papers prior to drafts and the hard reality is, it’s bloody hard to get drafted. And even then- it’s hard to become a career AFL player.
 

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Keen to hear more about your thoughts on Kemp & Perkins.

Has Kemp lost much since juniors, post injury? (understand limited population of evidence to make an outright call)

& why Perkins? Seems a safe bet to make it, but something about his game looks off... just doesnt seem to have the class of others
 

Bastyy

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Keen to hear more about your thoughts on Kemp & Perkins.

Has Kemp lost much since juniors, post injury? (understand limited population of evidence to make an outright call)

& why Perkins? Seems a safe bet to make it, but something about his game looks off... just doesnt seem to have the class of others
With all the players I consider my favourite there's usually a stand out reason as to why. For Kemp it was his versatility and match winning abilities. For Perkins it's his explosiveness and again, match winning abilities. The sort of things that we see in the better players of the current generation of footballers (ie Martin match winning ability, Fyfe versatility, Cripps explosiveness, Pendlebury class) are what I think of when I'm deciding on a favourite player. While for example Phillips might be the most consistent and ready to go player of the 2020 draft who I rank over Perkins. The traits I like about Perkins are far more exciting to me.

On Kemp, I'm hoping we get to see Kemp play in the pre-season games (No idea, if he's back to full training) to see if injury is going to affect him too much. He was dominant when he was playing in the under 18's and one thing I loved about him was his versatility. I don't think Carlton are going to play him as a tall forward/tall back/tall midfielder just yet. They might play him deep in the forward line or even on the half forward flank while he builds up game time and experience. I think long term he could have some Fyfe like qualities in terms of being able to dominate inside mid and then shift into a forward line role. I think if anything injury just means we won't see the full potential of Kemp in the midfield as early as Carlton would hope. Carlton obviously knew what they were getting with Kemp when they drafted him, he was already injured at the time, so I imagine they already have some sort of plan that sees him playing more VFL this season before getting full AFL game time. I think if I did a re-rank of the 2019 group again I might knock Kemp down a peg or two, I had him at two originally, but I truly think he was one of the better players from that draft.

On Perkins, I think it's hard to compare a player to Martin, just like it's hard to compare a player to Gaz Jr or Buddy, there's just some aspects of his game that I see being really similar, and someone who could really make his mark on the game like Dusty. He's someone who can win the game off his own boot and that's something I think every club could do with. I think where the most valid criticisms of Perkins come from the fact his midfield ability isn't proven, which it isn't, but he clearly has the tools of a modern AFL midfielder for my liking. As for whether he doesn't have the class of others? I don't think so, maybe he's not entirely consistent, but it's hard to base how consistent a player is from their 17 year old season. I think he's still got a bit to prove, and there's a good chance he doesn't debut til maybe mid year, but I think with some strong VFL games and maybe a few AFL games he can prove some doubters wrong. Who knows
 

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you are kidding, right?
It is such an interesting draft year coming up because of he previous 12 months. Was down at a VFL training last night and surprised at the amount of young players at this level.

One thing I think in Vic is the VFL is likely to be very lopsided and not sure how talent will be assessed at the level particularly from non aligned clubs.

in Vic, is there allocated VFL alignments with NAB League clubs?
 

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