NCAA Baylor and the Sexual Assault Coverup

[aussiedude]

Baylor Details ‘Horrifying’ Alleged Sexual Assaults by Football Players

The sexual-violence scandal at Baylor University that cost its celebrated football coach his job involved 17 women who reported sexual or domestic assaults involving 19 players, including four alleged gang rapes, since 2011, according to Baylor regents.

Baylor fired coach Art Briles in May for failing to deal with sexual-violence allegations involving his squad, but provided only a vague description of the alleged improprieties at the time. Legions of fans and donors rallied to his cause.

Now, in interviews with The Wall Street Journal, regents who oversee the university are offering for the first time publicly more detailed findings from an outside investigation conducted by Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton LLP. The probe showed some Baylor players allegedly participated in what one regent calls a “horrifying and painful” series of assaults over several years.

In one of the alleged gang rapes, the victim, who also was an athlete, told her coach that she didn't want to go the police. When notified of the allegation, Mr. Briles told the victim's coach that he hoped she would go to the police, according to people familiar with the matter. One person close to the victim said she viewed Mr. Briles as supportive of her claim. However, Mr. Briles didn't notify the school's judicial-affairs office or the Title IX office, these people said.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/baylor-...exual-assaults-by-football-players-1477681988

WSJ article is behind a paywall

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ape-other-alleged-assault-by-football-players

Is this enough for the "Death Penalty" [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA) ]You can say what you want about Penn state but that was not involving players and might of got of lightly by the NCAA.

But there is NO chance in hell Briles gets another job. he has to be given a lifetime ban. and Heads must roll at the school for all the victim blaming and letting it happen for years. The NCAA is also refusing to acknowledge this right now

 

[aussiedude]

A Baylor University graduate who says she was raped by football players in 2013 sued the university Friday. Her lawsuit includes an allegation that 31 Baylor football players committed at least 52 acts of rape, including five gang rapes, between 2011 and 2014 -- an estimate that far exceeds the number previously provided by school officials.

The woman, identified in the suit by the pseudonym Elizabeth Doe, reports being brutally gang raped by then-Baylor football players Tre'Von Armstead and Shamycheal Chatman after a party on April 18, 2013.

John Clune, the Colorado attorney who represents the woman, said in a statement that he appreciated what Baylor has done to try to fix its sexual assault problem, but "this is one that needed to be filed."

"As hard as the events at Baylor have been for people to hear, what went on there was much worse than has been reported," he said.

One of the woman's alleged attackers -- Chatman -- was accused of rape once before, the suits says, but the university failed to intervene. In that case, the suit says, a student athletic trainer reported that Chatman raped her at his off-campus apartment, so the university moved the trainer to a female sports team and agreed to pay for her education in exchange for a non-disclosure agreement.

The lawsuit describes a culture of sexual violence under former Baylor football coach Art Briles, in which the school implemented a "show 'em a good time" policy that "used sex to sell" the football program to recruits. That included escorting underage recruits to strip clubs and arranging women to have sex with prospective players, the suit alleges.

Former assistant coach Kendal Briles -- the son of the head coach -- once told a Dallas area student athlete, "Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players," according to the suit.

Investigation by lawyers identified at least 52 "acts of rape," including five gang rapes, by 31 football players in a four-year period. At least two of the gang rapes were committed by 10 or more players at one time, the suit states.

More in the link
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/bayl...lture-cites-52-rapes-football-players-4-years


Surely the Death Penalty has to happen now. but the NCAA is the least of the programs worries.

The fed is going to destroy them for those title IX violations. Those are taken VERY seriously.

If they have a football program in five years I'd be stunned. The federal govt will blow it all up. assuming Trump doesnt try and f**k this up like everything else.

 

[aussiedude]

I dont think the NCAA will be soft on Baylor like they were with PSU because no one cares about Baylor.

 

[Dirty Bird]

How do you put yourself in that position so many times over so long and not try dealing with it initially.

 

[aussiedude]

How do you put yourself in that position so many times over so long and not try dealing with it initially.

Because Waco thought that Art Briles was a god, and the school let him and his staff/program get away with it all.

I dont think there has ever been a case of "Lack of institutional control" like this.

I dont think even Lane Kiffen can keep Kendall Briles on his staff anymore

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...eath-penalty-defending-art-briles-new-lawsuit

I don't think the Baylor programme should be given the death penalty, but I will not be sad if Briles never coaches again. College football is full of second chances but I don't think Briles or any of the staff involved at Baylor and knew what was happening will be considered ever again. Absolutely disgusting, but far from unprecedented.

 

[Indie_]

Sadly this is probably not the only university where this sort of behaviour has occurred. Florida State and what happened with Jameis Winston seems like another instance where there was certainly collusion and cover up.

 

[aussiedude]

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...eath-penalty-defending-art-briles-new-lawsuit

I don't think the Baylor programme should be given the death penalty, but I will not be sad if Briles never coaches again. College football is full of second chances but I don't think Briles or any of the staff involved at Baylor and knew what was happening will be considered ever again. Absolutely disgusting, but far from unprecedented.

The School helped cover up everything. the rape allegations are reported to the schools not the sports programs. and the school deserves everything that comes its way. The death penalty needs to happen here. I saw somewhere school is up for about $223M in damages and stuff

This happens at almost every school but never anywhere close to this many allegations.

This if worse then PSU and unlike PSU no one outside of Waco cares about Baylor so the NCAA will act harder on them. and any federal charges will destroy the school.

Everyone involved in the coverup from coaches to players to school admin deserves to spend a long time in jail over this and could end up serving time.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

The School helped cover up everything. the rape allegations are reported to the schools not the sports programs. and the school deserves everything that comes its way. The death penalty needs to happen here. I saw somewhere school is up for about $223M in damages and stuff

This happens at almost every school but never anywhere close to this many allegations.

This if worse then PSU and unlike PSU no one outside of Waco cares about Baylor so the NCAA will act harder on them. and any federal charges will destroy the school.

Everyone involved in the coverup from coaches to players to school admin deserves to spend a long time in jail over this and could end up serving time.

While I agree with you that the school covered it up, I would recommend watching or reading up on "The Hunting Ground". It happens in every single US school. The statistics are astonishing and in my opinion, it all stem's from university's being able to employ their own police department. The corruption is incredible. "The System" by Jeff Benedict is another very good book about it.

It is not an issue isolated to Baylor, but Briles should never, ever coach again.

 

[aussiedude]

While I agree with you that the school covered it up, I would recommend watching or reading up on "The Hunting Ground". It happens in every single US school. The statistics are astonishing and in my opinion, it all stem's from university's being able to employ their own police department. The corruption is incredible. "The System" by Jeff Benedict is another very good book about it.

It is not an issue isolated to Baylor, but Briles should never, ever coach again.

I know it happens at every school, but every school doesnt have an epidemic of rape culture like Baylor does with its Football program under Art Briles.

the only way to teach them is to take away the program.

 

[Indie_]

While I agree with you that the school covered it up, I would recommend watching or reading up on "The Hunting Ground". It happens in every single US school. The statistics are astonishing and in my opinion, it all stem's from university's being able to employ their own police department. The corruption is incredible. "The System" by Jeff Benedict is another very good book about it.

It is not an issue isolated to Baylor, but Briles should never, ever coach again.

Surely the response is to then go after the other schools, not let Baylor off?

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Surely the response is to then go after the other schools, not let Baylor off?

I couldn't agree more, but, I don't think Baylor will get off lightly. I don't think the football programme will be shut down but they will deservedly have the book thrown at them. I just don't believe that we will see the death penalty in a NCAA football programme ever again. SMU still haven't recovered and probably never will.

 

[passmark]

Seems to be plenty of talk of programs, coaches and players and very little consideration for the victims.

If these allegations are symptomatic of US college life the FBI should be raiding every campus to prevent further assaults.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

She then said she sought help and went to the hospital where a rape kit was performed, but not analyzed until months later.

Kinsman and her dad both recall meeting Tallahassee police officer Scott Angulo, an FSU graduate and fundraiser, at the hospital, where she said she was instructed to think twice before filing a report.

Later, when Kinsman contacted Angulo to report Winston’s name, which she said she only learned when she overheard it being called as part of an event on campus, she was further warned by Angulo. She says he said, “This is a huge football town. You really should think long and hard if you want to press charges.”

The Tallahassee police did nothing for 10 months, and when they did, her claims were greeted with disbelief that ranged from general skepticism to caustic threats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ry-the-hunting-ground/?utm_term=.9da25f37ad4c

From the alleged Jameis Winston incident. The list is endless, I could find ten more similar reports without trying.

If a college athlete commits a crime (or even many student's- given the police departments have an apparent duty of care to the university director's rather than their students and don't like reporting statistics that could harm potential enrolments)- it is often swept under the carpet and ignored.

 

[Woodson]

So something that allegedly happened in 2011 is making front page news now??

Sounds more like that the silly girls involved were used and 'obviously sexually abused' for supposably indiscrete romps that always seem to have a fall out when $$$$ is the bottom line to the so-called victims.

If it can be proved they were 'wild party girls' which is the PC word for sluts.. then the players involved have nothing to worry about.

 

[Indie_]

What an atrocious and obnoxious post.

 

[offtherails9]

Sadly this is probably not the only university where this sort of behaviour has occurred. Florida State and what happened with Jameis Winston seems like another instance where there was certainly collusion and cover up.

Can anyone remember recently, I thought Jameis was actually suing the girl for making it up? Can't find that anywhere though, weird.

I'm sure this is the case at a lot of schools though, but hopefully not to this extent I guess. Death Penalty would be pretty big but it wouldn't surprise me at all

 

[Bostonian]

Seems to be plenty of talk of programs, coaches and players and very little consideration for the victims.

If these allegations are symptomatic of US college life the FBI should be raiding every campus to prevent further assaults.

US colleges are completely ****ed these days.

I assume Baylor is a private college as under the Obama administration all a woman had to do was report a guy to the school and he will be thrown out with next to no right to reply or avenues to defend himself. No involvement from lawyers or law enforcement was permitted all simply done by accusation alone.

 

[passmark]

US colleges are completely stuffed these days.

I assume Baylor is a private college as under the Obama administration all a woman had to do was report a guy to the school and he will be thrown out with next to no right to reply or avenues to defend himself. No involvement from lawyers or law enforcement was permitted all simply done by accusation alone.

Sounds like you're victim blaming. Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[Bostonian]

Sounds like you're victim blaming. Can't say I'm surprised.

Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about, can't say i'm surprised. Maybe go educate yourself a bit better.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...ult_is_a_serious_problem_but_the_efforts.html

 

[aussiedude]

Former Baylor coach Art Briles and his assistant coaches actively intervened in the discipline of football players, worked to keep their cases under wraps and tried to arrange legal representation for their players, according to a series of emails and text messages released by three university regents in a legal filing Thursday.

The university's response alleges Briles and his coaching staff created a disciplinary "black hole" into "which reports of misconduct such as drug use, physical assault, domestic violence, brandishing of guns, indecent exposure and academic fraud disappeared."

September 2013 text from Shillinglaw to Briles about a player who allegedly exposed himself to a masseuse, who had a lawyer and was asking the athletic department to handle the situation with discipline and counseling. Briles responded, "What kind of discipline ...She a stripper?" and after Shillinglaw responded that the player was at a salon and spa for the massage, Briles texts, "Not quite as bad."

May 2014 exchange shows Briles and an assistant coach arranging for a player who was caught selling drugs to transfer to another school, noting the offense was never reported to judicial affairs. The assistant coach is quoted as texting, "Him just hanging around Waco scares me. [Another school] will take him. Knows baggage."

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...tants-buried-player-misbehavior-documents-say


The School deserves the Death Penalty and everyone involved should never be allowed on a campus ever again. some deserve jail time.

 

[NitroFan]

So something that allegedly happened in 2011 is making front page news now??

No.

Sounds more like that the silly girls involved were used and 'obviously sexually abused' for supposably indiscrete romps that always seem to have a fall out when $$$$ is the bottom line to the so-called victims.

Huh?

If it can be proved they were 'wild party girls' which is the PC word for sluts.. then the players involved have nothing to worry about.

Is this a statement on the way the legal system discriminates against women percieved as 'sluts' or tacit approval because 'they deserved it' or 'they asked for it'?

 

[GreyCrow]

Sadly this is probably not the only university where this sort of behaviour has occurred. Florida State and what happened with Jameis Winston seems like another instance where there was certainly collusion and cover up.

The School helped cover up everything. the rape allegations are reported to the schools not the sports programs. and the school deserves everything that comes its way. The death penalty needs to happen here. I saw somewhere school is up for about $223M in damages and stuff

This happens at almost every school but never anywhere close to this many allegations.

This if worse then PSU and unlike PSU no one outside of Waco cares about Baylor so the NCAA will act harder on them. and any federal charges will destroy the school.

Everyone involved in the coverup from coaches to players to school admin deserves to spend a long time in jail over this and could end up serving time.

While I agree with you that the school covered it up, I would recommend watching or reading up on "The Hunting Ground". It happens in every single US school. The statistics are astonishing and in my opinion, it all stem's from university's being able to employ their own police department. The corruption is incredible. "The System" by Jeff Benedict is another very good book about it.

It is not an issue isolated to Baylor, but Briles should never, ever coach again.

I think aussiedude is right to go strong on this. I also think the point about ''everyone does it'' is also correct.

But if people go to jail then maybe other schools just might think twice. (hopefully)

If the National Conference and the National Football League are at all serious about stamping this out then they will also go hard , the NFL can stop clubs drafting players, etc.

But I will caution care that the allegations are given the appropriate space and appropriate forum to be decided.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

It is getting worse by the day for Baylor- which is actually a fantastic school, but the programme ran by Briles was clearly messed up.

Brings a whole other meaning to this ongoing case as well. How a player who is under investigation for a sexual assault can be allowed into the team's lockerroom while the investigation is ongoing is beyond belief.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...aylor-shawn-oakman-locker-room-rice/90702502/

 

[aussiedude]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/bayl...isconduct-football-players-court-record-shows

Contains more then the ESPN article. and WOW. and has court papers which are shocking.

The filing also laid out the athletic department's response to allegations of gang rape by football players, including when a student-athlete told her coach that five football players had raped her at an off-campus party. The coach then took a list of names to Briles, who said, "Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?" He also suggested the woman tell the police, according to the filing.

"The football program was a black hole into which reports of misconduct such as drug use, physical assault, domestic violence, brandishing of guns, indecent exposure and academic fraud disappeared," the court filing said.