BBL Match 20 Perth Scorchers v Melbourne Stars 2045hrs @ Perth Stadium

[NYRB]

The culture of West Australian rejects playing for an easy payday has destroyed them. Was much better when we had quality Englishmen like KP and Wright and actually wanted to win games.

The stars downward spiral probably started when NCN came over.

If you cant get into a First XI at the Perth Scorchers, you basically a discard or a player looking to cash in on a 2nd chance at a 2nd team.

The Scorchers is basically a state squad (8 best players) and usually 3 very good imports. At the moment the Scorchers don't need to play that 3rd import as their domestic players would play better than their internationals.

 

[NYRB]

Scotch > UWA > EY

Such a cliche....

Is it me or is fast becoming, if your going to make it as a state cricketer in WA, you'd have to part of that private school network?

Was Hobson part of Scotch College?

 

[NYRB]

We actually used to make finals, sure we’d lose them but we still won regular season games and made the finals most years. It’s only the last 2-3 it’s all gone downhill and the culture clearly sucks.

When interviewing Hussey the other night he also hinted at the unavailability of the Perth boys because they wanted to go home was due to their s**t attitude.

Cartwright was the best with the bat for the Stars in their loss against the Scorchers last night. He played in the game against the Scorchers at the Junction Oval. Stoinis and Coulter-Nile didn't. I think it clearly is an attitude problem. Stoinis has been more interested in showing of his 'rig' then playing some good cricket.

I think there is something going behind the scenes there.

 

[big_e]

Is it me or is fast becoming, if your going to make it as a state cricketer in WA, you'd have to part of that private school network?

Was Hobson part of Scotch College?

The top private schools - in any state - will have the top coaches, which helps their players' develop. And the facilities are way better, too, which also helps.

But it's been like that for a long time. I did a cricket camp at Guildford Grammar as a teenager in the 90s and they had multiple turf wickets and even turf nets, whereas my school had two concrete nets and one astroturf pitch.

 

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[FKASC]

The Scorchers is basically a state squad (8 best players) and usually 3 very good imports.

Scorchers rarely seem to have high end imports compared to the other teams. Generally just some English fringe international or journeymen like Munro at best.

Only 5 players from the most recent Marsh Cup games were playing last night. If anything the Heat are more of a state squad - other than Richardson, Burns and Sandhu, none of their Marsh Cup squad play for other teams.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

The culture of West Australian rejects playing for an easy payday has destroyed them. Was much better when we had quality Englishmen like KP and Wright and actually wanted to win games.

The stars downward spiral probably started when NCN came over.

Given chasing mercenaries at the expense of developing local talent has been Cricket Victoria's core strategy for more than a decade now, I'm not sure what you're complaining about Ed.

 

[eddiesmith]

If you cant get into a First XI at the Perth Scorchers, you basically a discard or a player looking to cash in on a 2nd chance at a 2nd team.

The Scorchers is basically a state squad (8 best players) and usually 3 very good imports. At the moment the Scorchers don't need to play that 3rd import as their domestic players would play better than their internationals.

The problem for guys like NCN and Marsh is they weren’t fit enough to play every game and either they’d not get back in or the Scorchers decided to stick with players they can rely on.

 

[eddiesmith]

A Scorchers reject side would probably be the 2nd best team in it so not a bad idea.

But its hard to argue the Stars are crap (and always have been) because of the Renegades diluting the Vic talent. The Renegades last starting 11 had 3 Victorians.

But they’ll never beat Perthcos they aren’t allowed to perform against them

But both sides have become diluted and genuine Victorians have left due to being disenfranchised with the whole thing.

It’s not just spreading the talent, but because the sides still fall under their state banners, it’s spreading the staff too thin and diluting resources.

Probably the only hope of ever resurrecting them would be private ownership and staff completely separate to the state side. Plus then coaches might get appointed on merit…

 

[eddiesmith]

Given chasing mercenaries at the expense of developing local talent has been Cricket Victoria's core strategy for more than a decade now, I'm not sure what you're complaining about Ed.

But it really dies slow the huge difference right there.

Stoinis, Wade, Rogers are examples of fringe players coming to Victoria to become Australian superstars.

Yet in the BBL you get blokes like Wells, Tom Rogers, Cooper etc that come with some form and play completely s**t!

 

[Yoda_]

Given chasing mercenaries at the expense of developing local talent has been Cricket Victoria's core strategy for more than a decade now, I'm not sure what you're complaining about Ed.

Have been big on this for a decade and can absolutely back this up. We rush in and quickly throw away kids who play well at Premier level.

Blake Thomason perfect example at the moment. State (rookie) contract at 20, didn't perform, axed and has now been amongst the most consistent performers at Premier level for the last few season could absolutely be a Shiel role player.

We (Victoria) seem to expect stars and nothing else without building a proper side.

 

[Yoda_]

The problem for guys like NCN and Marsh is they weren’t fit enough to play every game and either they’d not get back in or the Scorchers decided to stick with players they can rely on.

You want reliable players?

Tell me why Marcus Stoinis continues to get a game?

 

[largebus]

Victoria's whole strategy can be summed up by the fact they reclaimed the Reject Shop Hussey brother as their own and not only made him Stars coach but head of all men's cricket. Because trying to copy WA with cheap imitations will always work out.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

A Scorchers reject side would probably be the 2nd best team in it so not a bad idea.

But its hard to argue the Stars are crap (and always have been) because of the Renegades diluting the Vic talent. The Renegades last starting 11 had 3 Victorians.

WA white ball talent is extraordinary at the moment

Almost a full X1 - basically missing a quality spinner

Philippe
Marsh
Stoinis
Cartwright
David
Whiteman
Coulter Nile
Paris
Moody

 

[eddiesmith]

Victoria's whole strategy can be summed up by the fact they reclaimed the Reject Shop Hussey brother as their own and not only made him Stars coach but head of all men's cricket. Because trying to copy WA with cheap imitations will always work out.

Our 7 shield titles to WAs 1 in the last 20 since we got the better Hussey says otherwise

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Our 7 shield titles to WAs 1 in the last 20 since we got the better Hussey says otherwise

Test player representation is the key determinant

Victoria’s shield success as off the back of a core group of players not good enough to play test cricket regularly - but consistent at shield level

For Victoria’s size - they produce remarkably few quality test cricketers compared to other states - particularly their northern neighbour

And David Hussey is the eminent representation of that issue

 

[Voice of the G]

Our 7 shield titles to WAs 1 in the last 20 since we got the better Hussey says otherwise

The main reason for the shield wins by Victoria is the reluctance of the Australian selectors to play Victorians in the test side.Eg.Scott Boland,s spot in the test side still not a certainty and perhaps should have been there a lot earlier.

 

[eddiesmith]

Test player representation is the key determinant

Victoria’s shield success as off the back of a core group of players not good enough to play test cricket regularly - but consistent at shield level

For Victoria’s size - they produce remarkably few quality test cricketers compared to other states - particularly their northern neighbour

And David Hussey is the eminent representation of that issue

True, but WAs recent domestic dominance has been from a similar case with just one regular test player created.

But a lot of this has come from the fact the Australian test team is so hard to get into with very little change. This means domestic cricket is usually played without the internationals and those who dominate don’t get any opportunities to find their feet when a rare opportunity presents itself.

The interesting thing is Nathan Lyon has probably played the most Shield games of any test regular in recent years yet I feel like he has often struggled or at least not been enough to get NSW over the li e.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

True, but WAs recent domestic dominance has been from a similar case with just one regular test player created.

But a lot of this has come from the fact the Australian test team is so hard to get into with very little change. This means domestic cricket is usually played without the internationals and those who dominate don’t get any opportunities to find their feet when a rare opportunity presents itself.

The interesting thing is Nathan Lyon has probably played the most Shield games of any test regular in recent years yet I feel like he has often struggled or at least not been enough to get NSW over the li e.

We’ve had heaps of white ball international representation

But you’re right - if in 5 years we don’t have some regular test cricketers - it’s underwhelming

Inglis, Richardson, hardie, green, bancroft all have potential

But in the end if it’s just green - it’s not that impressive

 

[eddiesmith]

We’ve had heaps of white ball international representation

But you’re right - if in 5 years we don’t have some regular test cricketers - it’s underwhelming

Inglis, Richardson, hardie, green, bancroft all have potential

But in the end if it’s just green - it’s not that impressive

WA’s biggest problem to me it seems is you have no issues producing good fast bowlers, obviously the conditions help, but they seem to all struggle to stay on the park. Richo is clearly a great talent that has been robbed of a lot of opportunities due to untimely injuries.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

WA’s biggest problem to me it seems is you have no issues producing good fast bowlers, obviously the conditions help, but they seem to all struggle to stay on the park. Richo is clearly a great talent that has been robbed of a lot of opportunities due to untimely injuries.

It’s our batting talent I rate at the moment

Added to those before - Fanning and Wylie look impressive - plus another handful in grade cricket coming through (Goodwin and Connolly)

 

[western royboy]

Is it me or is fast becoming, if your going to make it as a state cricketer in WA, you'd have to part of that private school network?

Was Hobson part of Scotch College?

Disappointingly, I fear that’s the way it’s headed for most elite sport in this country

 

[Drunkcat]

You want reliable players?

Tell me why Marcus Stoinis continues to get a game?

Stoinis has always done sweet f--- all plays a good game here and there that's it. Stars and Gades have so many s**t players,that's why they are so poor