BBL06, Match 24; Renegades vs Hurricanes @ Etihad

[Bumpswithagrin]

Great match. I reckon ch10 will be tempted to shelve the Living Room and Graham Norton shows and put a replay of the Hurricanes v Renegades match on tonight.
Put it up against the ODI on ch9

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There is actually a replay on from 8am this morning on ONE.

(Every match is replayed at 8am the next day).

 

[Glenno23]

I have never seen a more crab like bowling performance than Perera's last night

And they picked him to bowl the last! Haha

Great game and well done to McDermott. Sensational hitting

 

[roscreasl98]

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This is about the live betting odds for the Hurricanes

No
Just a general comment.

 

[HBF]

Real fans watch Test cricket first and foremost. I like T20 but it's major target audience is those who are after instant gratification.

100% agree with this. I love test cricket and could spend an entire 5 days watching it.
And I also enjoy T20 - it's all but a different game and skills of the players are amazing.

 

[eth-dog]

Based on what? Two holiday matches showing off fresh faces doesn't prove your point. Tests have been declining ever since T20 became a thing, and that decline will continue.

You're allowed to like Test Matches but don't talk about things you have no idea about.

The fact that more viewers are watching every year? Ergo; a long term incline?

 

[davis_756]

My 2 year old does better in an argument than you too.

This isn't an argument, lay off the gear son

 

[Kyptastic]

I love how every BBL thread descends into asinine T20 vs Test arguments, it makes this forum so fun to visit.

 

[philreich]

I'm not the world's biggest fan of T20 cricket, but wow - that game last night was one out of the box. It was a bit like that ODI in South Africa: we created a record, which only lasted a matter of hours. More games like that please!!!

 

[Aussie_boy]

I know it's a bit early but could Ben McDermott be the much needed T20 keeper for the Australian side?

 

[eth-dog]

I know it's a bit early but could Ben McDermott be the much needed T20 keeper for the Australian side?

He's not that great a keeper tbh.

 

[Andronicus]

He's not that great a keeper tbh.

It's the format where that matters significantly less than any other.

 

[Hamingja]

I know it's a bit early but could Ben McDermott be the much needed T20 keeper for the Australian side?

He's not that great a keeper tbh.

If he could hit in the lower order he might be an option going forward as the only real alternatives to Wade on batting form are Paine and Dunk who both open and keepers that open need not apply for the Australian T20 side.

You'd think he would need to keep in big bash first though and Paine will go around at least one more season.

 

[DEVO]

If he could hit in the lower order he might be an option going forward as the only real alternatives to Wade on batting form are Paine and Dunk who both open and keepers that open need not apply for the Australian T20 side.

Why?? It sounds like a fairly outdated concept to me and one that really only holds water in the test arena. Wicket keeping is almost irrelevant in T20 cricket (except when the spinners are bowling), in fact last night Waugh and Fleming were talking about doing away with a wicketkeeper in the final overs and moving the fine leg a little finer. Sounds like a interesting idea to me, to give away an easy one or two so you can have an extra fielder in the deep trying to stop the fours and sixers. It may even play with the batsmen's head a little.

T20 cricket is the perfect place to experiment, and on the strength of two games, he has shown himself to be a better batsmen than Wade, Paine and Dunk. If he can wicket keeps as well, who cares where he bats, he allows the selectors to experiment with an extra batsmen or fielder depending on the pitch etc. McDermott and Lynn opening the batting for Australia sounds okay to me.

 

[Hamingja]

Why??

Because all Australia's good T20 bats are openers so there is no spot for the wicketkeeper at the top of the order. Keeping is still important. Been some big blues in the big bash that have cost matches. Nevill screwing up a run out by hitting the stumps before the ball got there, Dunk dropping a catch standing up to a spinner, Doran dropping a regulation overhead catch. That's just off the top of my head.

 

[DEVO]

Because all Australia's good T20 bats are openers so there is no spot for the wicketkeeper at the top of the order. Keeping is still important. Been some big blues in the big bash that have cost matches. Nevill screwing up a run out by hitting the stumps before the ball got there, Dunk dropping a catch standing up to a spinner, Doran dropping a regulation overhead catch. That's just off the top of my head.

It's T20 cricket, you can't have specialists, every player needs to be able to do more than just open or wicket keep. If they can do both, your team has an advantage. The fact that wicketkeepers are making mistakes has more to do with the fact they the game is so much faster than limited over or test cricket (or perhaps they are crap wicketkeepers) and nothing to do with them opening the batting.

 

[eth-dog]

Really, with the batting depth Australia have in this format, the keeper would probably bat at 9 if everyone is fit and available.

 

[Hamingja]

It's T20 cricket, you can't have specialists, every player needs to be able to do more than just open or wicket keep. If they can do both, your team has an advantage. The fact that wicketkeepers are making mistakes has more to do with the fact they the game is so much faster than limited over or test cricket (or perhaps they are crap wicketkeepers) and nothing to do with them opening the batting.

Two different points.

Most of the good T20 bats are best suited as openers - Warner, Finch, Khawaja, Watson when he was around. So a wicket keeper needs to be able to come in down the order because a Paine or Dunk for example would be 4th or 5th inline to open. Neither of those guys have had much success batting down the order, they need to bat in the powerplay, so that's why Australia needs a keeper that can bat down the order as their is no spot for them at the top.

Yes the mistakes are due to being a crap keeper. But you said a crap keeper doesn't matter in T20. I'm giving you examples of where it has cost teams in the big bash. You still need a decent one.

 

[DEVO]

Really, with the batting depth Australia have in this format, the keeper would probably bat at 9 if everyone is fit and available.

Do we really have great batting depth in T20? I'm not entirely convinced because most are terribly inconsistent and have built their reputations on one or two good innings a season (Finch is one example). Outside of Lynn, Dunk and Paine are the two "best" batsmen in this years big bash.

 

[eth-dog]

Do we really have great batting depth in T20? I'm not entirely convinced because most are terribly inconsistent and have built their reputations on one or two good innings a season (Finch is one example). Outside of Lynn, Dunk and Paine are the two "best" batsmen in this years big bash.

Everyone fit and available:

Warner
Finch
Smith
Lynn
Maxwell
M Marsh
Faulkner
Cummins
Keeper
Starc
Boyce

Yeah, I'm pretty confident with that

 

[idel one]

Was a pretty handy effort by the much maligned Matthew Wade just now for the Aussies - lot of ramps and behind the wicket shots too.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Two different points.

Most of the good T20 bats are best suited as openers - Warner, Finch, Khawaja, Watson when he was around. So a wicket keeper needs to be able to come in down the order because a Paine or Dunk for example would be 4th or 5th inline to open. Neither of those guys have had much success batting down the order, they need to bat in the powerplay, so that's why Australia needs a keeper that can bat down the order as their is no spot for them at the top.

Yes the mistakes are due to being a crap keeper. But you said a crap keeper doesn't matter in T20. I'm giving you examples of where it has cost teams in the big bash. You still need a decent one.

I don't think this is right.

I think the best cricketers seem to be openers because the nature of their role means that they get to start at 0 and get the best opportunity to build an innings and bat through power plays.

Guys batting 5, 6 & 7 probably look inferior as batsmen (and based on their stats) because the nature of the game means could be that they're in after an early collapse and have to steady the ship and sacrifice run rate, or they have to come in late and don't get the time to settle in before hitting the accelerator.

Undoubtedly these positions down at 5 & 6 are, like every other position in T20 cricket, specialist positions. Someone like a Cooper when he's batted down the order and Wells from the games that he's played are just as important, and perhaps just as good as the openers in their teams, but in the context of a 20-over innings are probably playing a much more challenging role as batsmen.