News Beams taking indefinite leave for mental health

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sirlothie

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Lol BF trolls assessing mental health. Wow.


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You only have to sniff a baby's bottom to tell they have soiled themselves. The amount of smoke Beams has generated throughout his career you still think there's no fire? Blinkered and gullible.
 

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Most people have to fight through and deal with depression, you don’t work you don’t get paid :(
 

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Most people have to fight through and deal with depression, you don’t work you don’t get paid :(
I was wondering how that would work. I assume he gets paid, it would probably fall under some sort of injury clause, and his contract would probably ensure he still was paid if injured.

Unfortunately in our normal jobs we aren't likely going to have something like this. It is what it is.
 

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I was wondering how that would work. I assume he gets paid, it would probably fall under some sort of injury clause, and his contract would probably ensure he still was paid if injured.

Unfortunately in our normal jobs we aren't likely going to have something like this. It is what it is.
What about sick leave?
 

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He didn't play well in our premiership win. He is probably yet to show he can produce under finals pressure.
Was BOG in our loss to Port in 2013, 29 touches 1 goal 8 tackles and 12 clearances was a superhuman effort considering Grundy was a 1st year player in the ruck.
 

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Like I said he's not the first or only football identity to face problems but most look to the positives of the situation and when they are rallied around become inspiring tales of overcoming adversity. Beams get wrapped up in his own misery and drags everyone else down with him. It's how he's wired, he can't help his traits but it's a fact. He exudes negative vibes.
Your speaking as if you know him & his struggles. Have you ever discussed his issues with him or his family. How about his teammates? If not then you don’t know if he gets wrapped up in his own misery & you don’t know that he exudes negative vibes. So how can you say any of what you said is fact? You may as well be one of the social media nasties that troll him.

Pretty obvious you have a bias against him.
 

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What about sick leave?
Actually it would be fascinating reading through these contracts. I suspect they are contracted and so no sick leave. It’s not as if the footy clubs pay the 9.5% super guarantee so I think it’s just straight out contract work.
 

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Nuwanda

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Nice.

Might be time for him to be left alone.

Once his hip is fully better and he clears his mind we can await his return as an A grade player.
I wonder whether he ‘needs’ football to help in his recovery.

I can’t seem to think of an AFL player who was strong enough to come out and announce his mental health struggles and then was able to recover to a point to return and perform to the highest level for a long time. Nathan Thompson may to be one, but I wouldn’t say he was able to re-capture his best and then he may have continued for another year of so.

If footy isn’t going to assist in his recovery, he should look to retire at the end of the season. Given he has not come out on a couple of occasions over the past couple of years and announced his issues, his recovery could/should take a very long time. I’m sure he was thinking moving to Melbourne would help solve his issues. It obviously hasn’t.
 

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Huge difference. Pendles stories are about mentoring other players, his dedication to his craft. De Goey volunteering his time to charity, determined to grow up and learn from his mistakes. Dayne Beams all about Dayne Beams problems.
You just keep digging a bigger and bigger pit for yourself. You know nothing about Beams yet you keep banging on and on, lighting up your ignorance for the whole world to witness.

As far as any of us are aware, neither Pendles or DeGoey suffer from depression. Depression can be quite debilitating- you need to learn more about it. It's not just feeling "sad" like some mood you can just snap out of. It's more like a dark pit in which you can see no way out.

In any event, your last comment is not even true. Beams has attempted to help others with depression and encouraged others to speak up and seek help. It's well known that he has tried to school ignorant people on social media about the issues.
 

sideswipe

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Actually it would be fascinating reading through these contracts. I suspect they are contracted and so no sick leave. It’s not as if the footy clubs pay the 9.5% super guarantee so I think it’s just straight out contract work.
They absolutely pay the SGC. They are obliged to pay it by law - as employers. All the standard player contract amounts, eg. base and match payments for 1st and second year players are inclusive of superannuation. "Sick leave", "sick days" isn't really a consideration. Presuming he is on a fixed contract, Beams would be receiving full pay whilst injured. For "standard" injuries, he would have obligations to make himself available for rehab, treatment and appearances, etc., but presumably the club has agreed to waive these requirements to give him time away - as this is likely seen as the best way to treat him. Would still be on full pay.
 

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You just keep digging a bigger and bigger pit for yourself. You know nothing about Beams yet you keep banging on and on, lighting up your ignorance for the whole world to witness.

As far as any of us are aware, neither Pendles or DeGoey suffer from depression. Depression can be quite debilitating- you need to learn more about it. It's not just feeling "sad" like some mood you can just snap out of. It's more like a dark pit in which you can see no way out.

In any event, your last comment is not even true. Beams has attempted to help others with depression and encouraged others to speak up and seek help. It's well known that he has tried to school ignorant people on social media about the issues.
Common sense spoken here, but sometimes you have to wonder whether the ignorance on these sorts of issues is wilful. After all, more understanding of other people often leads to less self-righteousness, and where's the fun in that?
 

sideswipe

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I was wondering how that would work. I assume he gets paid, it would probably fall under some sort of injury clause, and his contract would probably ensure he still was paid if injured.

Unfortunately in our normal jobs we aren't likely going to have something like this. It is what it is.
Consider the flip side of a professional sportsperson's very limited window of earning capacity and their inability to effectively insure their earnings. For a "normal job", after sick and annual leave, a person unable to work because of mental illness may also be able to access income protection payments - possibly up to age 65/70 and may be able to access total and permanent disability insurance, if the problem is bad enough. Footy players can't get that type of protection.
 
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I was wondering how that would work. I assume he gets paid, it would probably fall under some sort of injury clause, and his contract would probably ensure he still was paid if injured.

Unfortunately in our normal jobs we aren't likely going to have something like this. It is what it is.
You would/could have personal income protection that covers depression so long as it is clinically diagnosed.
 

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Consider the flip side of a professional sportsperson's very limited window of earning capacity and their inability to effectively insure their earnings. For a "normal job", after sick and annual leave, a person unable to work because of mental illness may also be able to access income protection payments - possibly up to age 65/70 and may be able to access total and permanent disability insurance, if the problem is bad enough. Footy players can't get that type of protection.
Income protection is 2 years at a fraction of your annual income.

TPD is ridiculously hard to get, trust me i have just been through it with AMP due to a back injury that has been ongoing for 4 years that eventually put me out of my role, that may or may not repair (meaning the injury isn't considered stabilised so they wont pay out). Could be another 6 months could be 10 years could be never according to the specialist and several GPs.

Depression would be a hard sell for a TPD claim unless he truly lost it as in Bipolar, but as a rule ie what seems to be plaguing AFL players would be your general depression it would be a hard sell to say that it is a lifelong disability.
 

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Income protection is 2 years at a fraction of your annual income.
You are likely talking about default cover in a super fund. Plenty of other options out there to get benefit periods to age 65 or even 75 at 75% of income, plus super.
TPD is ridiculously hard to get, trust me i have just been through it with AMP due to a back injury that has been ongoing for 4 years that eventually put me out of my role, that may or may not repair (meaning the injury isn't considered stabilised so they wont pay out). Could be another 6 months could be 10 years could be never according to the specialist and several GPs.
Sorry to hear of your issues. Hope the back comes good.
Depression would be a hard sell for a TPD claim unless he truly lost it as in Bipolar, but as a rule ie what seems to be plaguing AFL players would be your general depression it would be a hard sell to say that it is a lifelong disability.
Without getting too far down this path, was using it an example of how sporting incomes ain't as great as they are cracked up to be.
 

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You would/could have personal income protection that covers depression so long as it is clinically diagnosed.
"You" might be able to get this cover, but IP is not available to sportspeople.
 

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In 2010 he was still just breaking in and not the most important player, then he grew to be Collingwood's best player in hard times and then Brisbane's best player in hard times so for the most part success has avoided him and since his latest switch Collingwood has gone down with the weight of the world on their shoulders and Brisbane playing well with reckless abandon like we did last year. The pattern is there. He's not the greatest locker room influence, it's a fact.
It's an assumption. You haven't provided anything to demonstrate your comments are fact.
 

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"You" might be able to get this cover, but IP is not available to sportspeople.
Yep...I responded to people referring to normal workers in normal working fields quoted below. My response was not aimed at Sports people.

Unfortunately in our normal jobs we aren't likely going to have something like this. It is what it is.
 

sirlothie

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Your speaking as if you know him & his struggles. Have you ever discussed his issues with him or his family. How about his teammates? If not then you don’t know if he gets wrapped up in his own misery & you don’t know that he exudes negative vibes. So how can you say any of what you said is fact? You may as well be one of the social media nasties that troll him.

Pretty obvious you have a bias against him.
Do you listen to the words that come out of his own mouth?
 
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