Beams vs. Sidebottom

[Bay Pie]

Both excellent dual sided kicks.

I voted Sidey based on his elite endurance, his performances in big games already and his committment to the game and club (Beams' questionable off-field issues)

The best performed players of that dtaft so far are Hill, Beams, Sidey, Rich (less so in 2010) & Hurley, not in any particular order.

Obviously Watts & NikNat have time due to being talls and could very well go past them but not on performances so far,

 

[Chris_2593]

Sidebottom is by mile and always will be. Got robed of the Norm Smtih in GF2 aswell.

 

[mocamagic]

Sidebottom as the big game performer has to get the nod

 

[stui magpie]

2 kids who are as different to each other as Pendles and Daisy are, yet similarly both are and will be guns.

i went for Beams only because i think he will continue to improve exponentially as his body matures and hardens up. Sidey won't rely on the physicality as much.

Considering they'll both be guns and are already premiership players, trying to split them is a nice problem to have.

 

[Stripes B and W]

Great thread, I'm giving Sidey the nod ever so slightly. Both are guns, super gets. Im going Sidey looking at their respectives strengths and weaknesses. Its the weaknesses thats separates them for mine.
Sidey, we all know is a body strength thing, isolated one on one in the air he really struggles. This will resolve over time with work and maturity.

FWIW i think Beams main area that needs to improve, is his work when the ball is on the deck or below his knees, and the fact he thorows in an errant handball a little to often. Decision making more than execution

Any club would give up a great deal for either of them, both certain 200 game players.

 

[frizzle]

Beams for me right now, but gee it's close.
Beams is a better kick IMO
In future? Who knows, hopefully the are both champions.

 

[mdc]

Sidey, we all know is a body strength thing, isolated one on one in the air he really struggles. This will resolve over time with work and maturity.

Isn't this more likely a height and athleticism thing? With the exception of Ablett and a few others, are there really that many 5"11 players running round that are good in one-on-one marking contests?

I mean, take Cousins for example. Not sure you could ask for a better physique, but he always remained a poor overhead mark.

 

[Stripes B and W]

yes MDC i take your point although i think there are alot of smaller players good in the air. With Steele, i really do think its a lack of body strength / confidence thing.
Cousins is an odd one IMO. Great physique without a doubt but i never thought of him as a "strong player" in the sense of a Burns, Ball, Hayes etc. Thought of him as a tremendous worker and runner

 

[Gone Critical]

They are close currently, Sideys finals performance gives him an edge at this stage

For the future I think Sidebottom will end up considerably better. Beams is solid and strong but doesnt have the flair. Dont think he has the ability to be elite.

Sidebottom in the Adelaide final and GF this year showed skill and poise rarely seen in a young player. Playing so well at the pointy end of the season screams elite talent and I can see massive upside in him.

Both great picks but Sidey is the man

 

[sr36]

due to personality reasons, sidebottom appears to be the safer bet and i think that once he develops afl standard strength he will be awesome. he's just so balanced and smart, b ut i do think that beams has a higher ceiling.

beams on the other hand has exceptional ball handling, toughness and outstanding vision. his ceiling is a significantly quicker version of greg williams.

 

[half_back_flank]

Beams.

Bloke is a pure midfielder biding his time of a HHF. Watch out for when he gets an extended crack in the midfield. Steele is going to be fantastic too, but when they are both in their prime playing in the middle, i think Beams will shade him.

 

[Daicos Mullets]

Sidey, his reading of the play, vision & decision making are all outstanding. It's what gives him the 'X' factor that should see him become an absolute champion.

 

[Shellz]

Don't get me Wrong Beams is a beauty too but some off his Off-Field Behavior is a Bit of a Worry. Like I think it was last season when he was suspended being out too late

If we judged all players on their off field behaviour we would short changing many off our stars: swan, didak, Heath, krakour... Hell didn't even saint Scott have some scandal at a 21st???

Anyway, I think Steele will be better. Beams wasn't bad over the year however Steele stood up when it counted and was servicable during the year... As Mick says you got to stand up in the big games!

 

[Ed D]

Anyway, I think Steele will be better. Beams wasn't bad over the year however Steele stood up when it counted and was servicable during the year... As Mick says you got to stand up in the big games!

Not to have a go at you (and this is more a general comment) but Beams had a better H&A season and did stand up in the important games like against Geelong (both times kicking 4 & 3 goals in each) which strangely enough was when Sidebottom was poor. Sidebottom obviously had a better finals series which I think everyone is remembering and then reflecting on when they look at the year as a whole. Beams didn't finish ahead of Sidebottom in the B&F for no reason.

 

[Shutty05]

The Swan / pendals comparision is interesting but remember there is 5 years between them, i think give Pendals another 5 years and he will be regarded as our best mid since Bucks with Swan behind him. He will have more accolades just as you said about Steel compared to Beams.

Steel will be better

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Too hard to measure right now. Which holds higher value for you? Consistency through the season? Or performance in finals?

If H&A consistency is your thing, then right now Beams is the better player. But if you prefer a finals player, then Steele has him by a mile.

In the future, you have to go with Steele. Beams isn't going to get any quicker, he wont get much bigger or stronger, he came to us virtually ready to go straight into the midfield. I don't think personally Beams will get much better (I hope I'm wrong) than he is now.

You can clearly see Steele can get better. He can get bigger, stronger and as a matter of fact could even grow a little bit more given he only just turned 20. I feel Steele reads the ball better and know where to be, is a much faster thinker which is why he's such a good finals performer.

The MOMENT I knew Steele was going to be such a good player was that 'almost goal' against the Cats in the prelim. The ball was kicked to him with Milburn RIGHT on his hammer, and 90% of player would have done the 'dumb' thing and grabbed the ball then tried to break the inevitable tackle, but Steele tapped the ball forward knowing the tackle was coming. It complete screwed with Milburns head, because he was priming himself to lay a huge tackle, by Steele tapping, it caused Milburn to double take, which then resulted in a stumble, which allowed Steele to gather the ball and get away. He then obviously ran down, sold some candy and almost kicked what would have been one of the greatest goals in the history of finals.

He knows when to kick off the ground where most players (even the 'better' ones) try to gather.

When hhis body matches his footy smarts, he will be one of the best players in the competition, and possibly one of the best Collingwood has had.

 

[Number 10]

Beams.

Bloke is a pure midfielder biding his time of a HHF. Watch out for when he gets an extended crack in the midfield. Steele is going to be fantastic too, but when they are both in their prime playing in the middle, i think Beams will shade him.

This is my feeling as well. they both don't get too much time in the middle at the moment, but even the TOG he spent in the middle during this NAB season he has shown what he can do. Even in a pre-season match he turned it on and not only got alot of the ball but used it better than most of our mids during the nab.

 

[Paddywhackers]

It's a great thread. I think most would agree that Sidey is better than Beams, and that Pendles is better than Thomas, but that they're all guns.

What about who will end up better out of the duo Pendles-Thomas or Sidey-Beams. Pendles and Thomas will be for mine, but who knows...

In the end, they're all so talented, Beams could end up better than Sidey, and Thomas could end up the best of the lot.

In the 2006 draft, Thomas and Penles were the best two kids taken from that draft. The 2008 draft, our first two picks at 11 and 29 are very comparible at this stage. That really means that yeah we've played finals over the past few years, but, in regards to talent that we picked up in 05, 06 and 08, we could well have tanked and been extremely happy with that talent.

Think about it, Thomas Pendles was a tank, the best two picks taken.

The o6 draft was amazingly good, Reid, Brown, Dawes, Wellingham, Dick, Macaffer, Goldsack, etc

Than 07 we got J-Mac, he could end up looking quite nice in what seems to have been a weak draft.

Than in 08 Sidey, probably the best taken from the draft at this stage and Beams. These two guys, right now, you'dbe extremely happy with their output had they been taken alot higher, say if they were taken in the top five picks.

We've done much much better than a side like Carlton, who over this preriod, tanked.

Gunna really look forward to watching us dominate over 2011, and gunna love watching out midfield dominate when it needs to. Swan, Pendles, Thomas, Sidey, Beams, Didak, Ball, Wellingham, wow.

This midfield may well rank right up their with Geelongs, West Coasts, and even brisbanes, as we progress through 2011.

I say that, cause I think 2011 will see Sidey and Beams, in their third years, really hit their straps.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I picked Steele.

He's shown that he's a player when it matters. He's a finals player. He's a lively forward and a good, creative midfielder.

Dayne is great. But, hasn't proven that on the big stage yet, both his grand finals were average. He is a silky skilled, classy mover, going to be a total gun but Steele is a serious gun already.

 

[Quicky]

I'm really surprised that Sidebottom is so far in front of Beams in the poll. It just goes to show how highly supporters rate finals performances. And perhaps how easy quality inside work is missed or underrated.

 

[Chris_2593]

I'm really surprised that Sidebottom is so far in front of Beams in the poll. It just goes to show how highly supporters rate finals performances. And perhaps how easy quality inside work is missed or underrated.

Not just finals he has been good in Home and Away games aswell.

 

[Zahki]

Not just finals he has been good in Home and Away games aswell.

Some games. Sidebottom was a bit wishy washy last year, he'd be everywhere one game and barely sighted the next, as you'd expect for any young player. Beams was far more consistent and this is reflected in his higher result in the B&F.

I'm a bit surprised at the huge swell of Sidebottom support as well. He'll be good no doubt, but for all we know Beams could be the next Dane Swan.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Love, love Beams, but Sidey for me by a small margin.

Both players were taken many picks from where they should've been taken from. We smashed that draft.

 

[Frankie23]

At the moment you can't split them

Disregard their first season which really means nothing, last year Beams had a better home and away year, he was more consistent (6th in the B&F) and had a bigger impact on games. However he did go missing in September, whereas Steele stepped up and was a huge reason we won the flag.

You would have to say they are even so far, personally I think Steele is going to be one of those rare, superstar players, where as Beamer to be a level below

 

[Number 10]

Bump.

17 rounds in and I still think Beams is the better player. Sidebottom has been performing just below par the last 2-3 weeks but he will bounce back especially come finals.

Keen to hear your thoughts after a great season by both players thus far.

Could they both be AA by the end of 2012? Squad at very least.