Werewolf BEaston Basic* WW Part V - Vampires Win!

[Tarkyn_24]

so we are lynching BFEW today thanks BEaston

as much as it goes against every fibre of you being MC Bad Genius you'll have to protect me tonight as some sort of evidence that you have not been recruited.

similarly WAbulldog - you'll have to do exactly as we say otherwise we might have to lynch you tomorrow in case you have been recruited. We'll tell you who later as we are hoping or some on thee ranks a bit.

Woohoo! I can do whatever the **** I want

 

[jmoo wan]

Woohoo! I can do whatever the **** I want

one of the flogs raised killing you tongint

 

[The_Reaper]

one of the flogs raised killing you tongint

That’s just a man of good taste

 

[MC Bad Genius]

I also think from this point forward we probably have to assume the doc is aligned with the vamps. It’s the logical recruitment and the doc only prevents kills.

They obviously didn't agree with you as I didn't get recruited. I did kinda hope though.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Thanks to whoever roleblocked or used some other night action for the alleged kill attempt on me last night. (if there even was an attempt by WABulldog). I'll be back in an hour or too (hopefully).

Just to be clear, I did not protect you.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Actually probably the greatest considering they keep hitting (presumably) NI haha

Keep? They've only potentially hit one night immune so far (last night).

 

[Tarkyn_24]

They obviously didn't agree with you as I didn't get recruited. I did kinda hope though.

Interesting. I kinda hoped the same.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

one of the flogs raised killing you tongint

Given the flogs refused to take heed of an obvious action two nights in a row this really doesn’t surprise me.

 

[The_Reaper]

The JOAT is a prime vampire target

 

[The_Reaper]

Arguably even more so than the doctor since the head vampire does not need protection at night

 

[jmoo wan]

Given the flogs refused to take heed of an obvious action two nights in a row this really doesn’t surprise me.

we had a good ol’ laugh at that - we’re having a ball in our PM

 

[Tarkyn_24]

The JOAT is a prime vampire target

100% they are. I actually considered holding off on my kill last night to be able to use it night four to the vampires’ end.

A seer would confirm I’ve not been recruited, though at this stage it’s a little ballsy for me to assume we even have a seer.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Arguably even more so than the doctor since the head vampire does not need protection at night

At first glance but I don’t believe so when you consider it further.

Assuming the OP is correct, there are fifteen players left. The vampire would have recruited night one so I feel it’s highly likely that there’s three in the faction now. By recruiting the doctor, control of the village’s only consistent and reliable protection mechanism is removed from them. As such, the reliability of their kills becomes much greater. Additionally, they essentially benefit from having two night immune on any given night, and on every second night one of those two are essentially village endorsed as well. Possibly, the first recruitment has already given them an insight into the makeup of another group as well, negating the desirability of seering.

All of those benefits, plus the fact that the village is likely to be apprehensive about killing their own protective role, means that the game is completely opened up for them. Not saying a lot of these benefits don’t also hold for the JOAT - but I do think downplaying the benefits of recruiting the doctor is suspicious because it’s clearly a valuable get. And also I have the benefit that everyone else doesn’t of knowing for a fact that I wasn’t recruited, so my jumping off point on the likelihood of who else might have been targeted is different.

 

[BFew]

That’s all I need to hear. Bad Bfew
BEaston

DP pls remind me/us what position you've claimed in this game?

I thought I saw a claim from you, but given I didn't have time to read all yesterdays posts,
I might have been thinking of a previous game.

 

[jmoo wan]

we were going to offer MCBG protection tonight but may gamble between Tarks and MC

 

[jmoo wan]

At first glance but I don’t believe so when you consider it further.

Assuming the OP is correct, there are fifteen players left. The vampire would have recruited night one so I feel it’s highly likely that there’s three in the faction now. By recruiting the doctor, control of the village’s only consistent and reliable protection mechanism is removed from them. As such, the reliability of their kills becomes much greater. Additionally, they essentially benefit from having two night immune on any given night, and on every second night one of those two are essentially village endorsed as well. Possibly, the first recruitment has already given them an insight into the makeup of another group as well, negating the desirability of seering.

All of those benefits, plus the fact that the village is likely to be apprehensive about killing their own protective role, means that the game is completely opened up for them. Not saying a lot of these benefits don’t also hold for the JOAT - but I do think downplaying the benefits of recruiting the doctor is suspicious because it’s clearly a valuable get. And also I have the benefit that everyone else doesn’t of knowing for a fact that I wasn’t recruited, so my jumping off point on the likelihood of who else might have been targeted is different.

you’d have to say one of you would’ve been targeted for sure

 

[Tarkyn_24]

you’d have to say one of you would’ve been targeted for sure

If I was saying that then my way forward is pretty clear. Hope like hell BFew flips head vamp and then roleblock MCBG so he can’t protect OR kill as the presumed most recent vamp recruit.

Unfortunately, while I can see the attractiveness of MCBG I don’t know that I’m comfortable with kneecapping the village with that kind of behaviour and potentially capitulating any chance of winning worse than we’ve seen for a long time if that hypothesis (MCBG = recruit) is wrong. I’m definitely valuing a consensus view on what makes sense for me tonight (noting that acting any other way is probably far less calamitous, at least instantly) if I’m wrong. Would be ballsy af though.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

so we are lynching BFEW today thanks BEaston

as much as it goes against every fibre of you being MC Bad Genius you'll have to protect me tonight as some sort of evidence that you have not been recruited.

similarly WAbulldog - you'll have to do exactly as we say otherwise we might have to lynch you tomorrow in case you have been recruited. We'll tell you who later as we are hoping or some on thee ranks a bit.

How is that evidence?

Also, are your fellow flogs confident that you haven't been recruited by the Vampires? Just the way this post is structured has raised the hairs on the back of my neck.

 

[jmoo wan]

How is that evidence?

Also, are your fellow flogs confident that you haven't been recruited by the Vampires? Just the way this post is structured has raised the hairs on the back of my neck.

the thinking is that if you deviate from the village plan means you are recruited.

did you just “no you are” me?

 

[Tarkyn_24]

If I was saying that then my way forward is pretty clear. Hope like hell BFew flips head vamp and then roleblock MCBG so he can’t protect OR kill as the presumed most recent vamp recruit.

Unfortunately, while I can see the attractiveness of MCBG I don’t know that I’m comfortable with kneecapping the village with that kind of behaviour and potentially capitulating any chance of winning worse than we’ve seen for a long time if that hypothesis (MCBG = recruit) is wrong. I’m definitely valuing a consensus view on what makes sense for me tonight (noting that acting any other way is probably far less calamitous, at least instantly) if I’m wrong. Would be ballsy af though.

Quoting my own post to also acknowledge that it has occurred to me that socialising roleblocking and having someone else kill the doctor is exactly what a recruited vamp might do.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

so we are lynching BFEW today thanks BEaston

as much as it goes against every fibre of you being MC Bad Genius you'll have to protect me tonight as some sort of evidence that you have not been recruited.

similarly WAbulldog - you'll have to do exactly as we say otherwise we might have to lynch you tomorrow in case you have been recruited. We'll tell you who later as we are hoping or some on thee ranks a bit.

"You had better protect us MCBG or ELSE"

we were going to offer MCBG protection tonight but may gamble between Tarks and MC

"But eh we're on the fence with you though"

 

[Tarkyn_24]

"You had better protect us MCBG or ELSE"



"But eh we're on the fence with you though"

Tbh telling MCBG he needs to protect Jmoo feels a lot more about dragging his protect away from somewhere more useful than it does about keeping Jmoo alive.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Keep? They've only potentially hit one night immune so far (last night).

You're night immune when you want to be (within 48 hour increments)!

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Tbh telling MCBG he needs to protect Jmoo feels a lot more about dragging his protect away from somewhere more useful than it does about keeping Jmoo alive.

Yeah I pick up what you're putting down, jmoo is compromised.

 

[The_Reaper]

Feels like flogs as a group have been infiltrated