Being Luck Beveridge

[Yojimbo]

This post has nothing to do with Luck Beveridge: AFL Era 1990-2019 (30 x Season Journey).

Geelong:
1st (Poll Position): 4 x Times
Top Four (Can Almost Touch It): 16 x Times
Flags (Holy Grail): 3 x Times

West Coast:
1st (Poll Position): 3 x Times
Top Four (Can Almost Touch It): 11 x Times
Flags (Holy Grail): 4 x Times

Hawthorn:
1st (Poll Position): 2 x Times
Top Four (Can Almost Touch It): 10 x Times
Flags (Holy Grail): 5 x Times

Sydney:
1st (Poll Position): 3 x Times
Top Four (Can Almost Touch It): 10 x Times
Flags (Holy Grail): 2 x Times

Brisbane:
1st (Poll Position): 0 x Times
Top Four (Can Almost Touch It): 7 x Times
Flags (Holy Grail): 3 x Times

Western Bulldogs:
1st (Poll Position): 0 x Times
Top Four (Can Almost Touch It): 7 x Times
Flags (Holy Grail): 0 x Times

In a way this is about Luck Beveridge for as great as these teams were none of them ever won a flag from 7th place this does show
that football like life is all about timing, about being in the right place at the right time. To win a flag from the top four you must
win three finals with the double chance allowing one loss, but to win the flag from outside the top four you must win four finals on
the trot it's elimination week after week. Rodney Eade had three cracks from top four, Terry Wallace had three cracks from top four
and Terry Wheeler had one crack from top four yet all fell just shy of the big prize. Premierships are hard to win, it's all about the
timing in the end.

 

[Fossie 32]

This post has nothing to do with Luck Beveridge: AFL Era 1990-2019 (30 x Season Journey).

Western Bulldogs:
1st (Poll Position): 0 x Times
Top Four (Can Almost Touch It): 7 x Times
Flags (Holy Grail): 0 x Times

In a way this is about Luck Beveridge for as great as these teams were none of them ever won a flag from 7th place this does show
that football like life is all about timing, about being in the right place at the right time. To win a flag from the top four you must
win three finals with the double chance allowing one loss, but to win the flag from outside the top four you must win four finals on
the trot it's elimination week after week. Rodney Eade had three cracks from top four, Terry Wallace had three cracks from top four
and Terry Wheeler had one crack from top four yet all fell just shy of the big prize. Premierships are hard to win, it's all about the
timing in the end.

Correction preese!!!

 

[Yojimbo]

Correction preese!!!

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Love Get Smart Fossie 32, but no correction needed never won a flag from Top Four so zero Flags another small way to highlight
the magnitude of the achievement of Luck Beveridge. It's a one in thirty event Fossie 32, so sorry.

 

[Yojimbo]

Eventual Premier (AFL Era 1990-2019 a warts and all expose):

2019: Richmond (16-6-64), Points For 1892 (6th), Points Against 1664 (4th).
2018: West Coast (16-6-64), Points For 2012 (5th), Points Against 1657 (5th).
2017: Richmond (15-7-60), Points For 1992 (8th), Points Against 1684 (3rd).
2016: Western Bulldogs (15-7-60), Points For 1857 (12th), Points Against 1609 (3rd).
2015: Hawthorn (16-6-64), Points For 2452 (1st), Points Against 1548 (1st). *Noble Premier*
2014: Hawthorn (17-5-68), Points For 2458 (1st), Points Against 1746 (6th).
2013: Hawthorn (19-3-76), Points For 2523 (1st), Points Against 1859 (5th).
2012: Sydney (16-6-64), Points For 2290 (5th), Points Against 1629 (1st).
2011: Geelong (19-3-76), Points For 2548 (2nd), Points Against 1619 (2nd).
2010: Collingwood (17-4-1-70), Points For 2349 (2nd), Points Against 1658 (2nd).

2009: Geelong (18-4-72), Points For 2312 (2nd), Points Against 1815 (4th).
2008: Hawthorn (17-5-68), Points For 2434 (3rd), Points Against 1846 (3rd).
2007: Geelong (18-4-72), Points For 2542 (1st), Points Against 1664 (1st). *Noble Premier*
2006: West Coast (17-5-68), Points For 2257 (4th), Points Against 1874 (4th).
2005: Sydney (15-7-60), Points For 1974 (14th), Points Against 1696 (2nd).
2004: Port Adelaide (17-5-68), Points For 2413 (3rd), Points Against 1823 (4th).
2003: Brisbane (14-7-1-58), Points For 2295 (2nd), Points Against 1882 (5th).
2002: Brisbane (17-5-68), Points For 2520 (1st), Points Against 1843 (2nd).
2001: Brisbane (17-5-68), Points For 2538 (2nd), Points Against 1989 (6th).
2000: Essendon (21-1-84), Points For 2816 (1st), Points Against 1770 (1st). *Noble Premier*

1999: North Melbourne (17-5-68), Points For 2463 (1st), Points Against 2129 (10th).
1998: Adelaide (13-9-52), Points For 2172 (5th), Points Against 1763 (1st).
1997: Adelaide (13-9-52), Points For 2151 (2nd), Points Against 1769 (1st).
1996: North Melbourne (16-6-64), Points For 2526 (1st), Points Against 1982 (7th).
1995: Carlton (20-2-80), Points For 2357 (3rd), Points Against 1711 (2nd).
1994: West Coast (16-6-64), Points For 2078 (7th), Points Against 1572 (1st).
1993: Essendon (13-6-1-54), Points For 2333 (3rd), Points Against 1959 (5th). (20 x Games, top 6)
1992: West Coast (15-6-1-62), Points For 2206 (9th), Points Against 1752 (1st). (Top 6)
1991: Hawthorn (16-6-64), Points For 2793 (1st), Points Against 2055 (5th). (Top 6)
1990: Collingwood (16-6-64), Points For 2376 (4th), Points Against 1825 (2nd). (Top 5)

There it is further proof of the Luck Beveridge brilliance, plus the added bonus of seeing what makes up the top cheese.

 

[Yojimbo]

The Desolation Of Luck Beveridge:

2015:
Ayce Cordy
Sam Darley
Matthew Fuller
Jarrad Grant
Michael Talia
Brett Goodes
Jordan Kelly
Daniel Pearce

2016:
Joel Hamling
Nathan Hrovat
Will Minson
Josh Prudden (Delist & Re-Rookie)
Koby Stevens
Jed Adcock
Luke Goetz

2017:
Matthew Boyd
Travis Cloke
Stewart Crameri
Declan Hamilton
Robert Murphy
Jake Stringer
Josh Prudden
Tristan Tweedie
Roarke Smith (Delist & Re-Rookie)

2018:
Marcus Adams
Shane Biggs
Tom Campbell (BTC)
Kieran Collins (Colons)
Luke Dahlhaus
Mitch Honey-Church
Jack Redpath
Jordan Roughead
Clay Smith
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh

2019:
Thomas Boyd
Dale Morris
Fletcher Roberts
Lukas Webb
Liam Picken

A few massive retirements, trades and delisted players that changed the cosmic energy of the football club forever
and threw yet another challenge at the feet of Luck Beveridge. What happens at the end of this strange year we
will have to wait and see and to be honest no one knows at this stage.

 

[Yojimbo]

Western Bulldogs Top Four Finishes (The Horrible Truth):

1992: 2nd on ladder, (16-6-64), Points For 2384 (4th), Points Against 1836 (2nd).

1997: 3rd on ladder, (14-8-56), Points For 2100 (5th), Points Against 2062 (12th).
1998: 2nd on ladder, (15-7-60), Points For 2353 (2nd), Points Against 2019 (7th).
1999: 4th on ladder, (15-6-1-62), Points For 2363 (4th), Points Against 1993 (5th).

2008: 3rd on ladder, (15-6-1-62), Points For 2506 (2nd), Points Against 2112 (7th).
2009: 3rd on ladder, (15-7-60), Points For 2378 (1st), Points Against 1940 (6th).
2010: 4th on ladder, (14-8-56), Points For 2174 (3rd), Points Against 1734 (4th).

So a sad case of always someone better at finals time, with the points against certainly an anchor during the Eade years, never
quite got the balance right which was a shame, but we were close without the cigar unfortunately. 92,97 and 98 were all years
won by the best Points Against team all ranked number one.

 

[bobs head soup]

Eventual Premier (AFL Era 1990-2019 a warts and all expose):

2019: Richmond (16-6-64), Points For 1892 (6th), Points Against 1664 (4th).
2018: West Coast (16-6-64), Points For 2012 (5th), Points Against 1657 (5th).
2017: Richmond (15-7-60), Points For 1992 (8th), Points Against 1684 (3rd).
2016: Western Bulldogs (15-7-60), Points For 1857 (12th), Points Against 1609 (3rd).
2015: Hawthorn (16-6-64), Points For 2452 (1st), Points Against 1548 (1st). *Noble Premier*
2014: Hawthorn (17-5-68), Points For 2458 (1st), Points Against 1746 (6th).
2013: Hawthorn (19-3-76), Points For 2523 (1st), Points Against 1859 (5th).
2012: Sydney (16-6-64), Points For 2290 (5th), Points Against 1629 (1st).
2011: Geelong (19-3-76), Points For 2548 (2nd), Points Against 1619 (2nd).
2010: Collingwood (17-4-1-70), Points For 2349 (2nd), Points Against 1658 (2nd).

2009: Geelong (18-4-72), Points For 2312 (2nd), Points Against 1815 (4th).
2008: Hawthorn (17-5-68), Points For 2434 (3rd), Points Against 1846 (3rd).
2007: Geelong (18-4-72), Points For 2542 (1st), Points Against 1664 (1st). *Noble Premier*
2006: West Coast (17-5-68), Points For 2257 (4th), Points Against 1874 (4th).
2005: Sydney (15-7-60), Points For 1974 (14th), Points Against 1696 (2nd).
2004: Port Adelaide (17-5-68), Points For 2413 (3rd), Points Against 1823 (4th).
2003: Brisbane (14-7-1-58), Points For 2295 (2nd), Points Against 1882 (5th).
2002: Brisbane (17-5-68), Points For 2520 (1st), Points Against 1843 (2nd).
2001: Brisbane (17-5-68), Points For 2538 (2nd), Points Against 1989 (6th).
2000: Essendon (21-1-84), Points For 2816 (1st), Points Against 1770 (1st). *Noble Premier*

1999: North Melbourne (17-5-68), Points For 2463 (1st), Points Against 2129 (10th).
1998: Adelaide (13-9-52), Points For 2172 (5th), Points Against 1763 (1st).
1997: Adelaide (13-9-52), Points For 2151 (2nd), Points Against 1769 (1st).
1996: North Melbourne (16-6-64), Points For 2526 (1st), Points Against 1982 (7th).
1995: Carlton (20-2-80), Points For 2357 (3rd), Points Against 1711 (2nd).
1994: West Coast (16-6-64), Points For 2078 (7th), Points Against 1572 (1st).
1993: Essendon (13-6-1-54), Points For 2333 (3rd), Points Against 1959 (5th). (20 x Games, top 6)
1992: West Coast (15-6-1-62), Points For 2206 (9th), Points Against 1752 (1st). (Top 6)
1991: Hawthorn (16-6-64), Points For 2793 (1st), Points Against 2055 (5th). (Top 6)
1990: Collingwood (16-6-64), Points For 2376 (4th), Points Against 1825 (2nd). (Top 5)

There it is further proof of the Luck Beveridge brilliance, plus the added bonus of seeing what makes up the top cheese.

The big take away from that table for mine is that the only teams to finish outside the top 6 for points conceded and still win Premierships were North in 1996 and North in 1999

Admittedly he had a fair bit of firepower to work with, but gee Pagan was an interesting coach.

 

[Yojimbo]

The big take away from that table for mine is that the only teams to finish outside the top 6 for points conceded and still win Premierships were North in 1996 and North in 1999

Admittedly he had a fair bit of firepower to work with, but gee Pagan was an interesting coach.

Very true, Malcolm Blight is another interesting example going from the power teams from Geelong with their massive points for to
his two flags with Adelaide where the were both number one, big turn around perhaps it's personnel.

Bulldogs 2016 Points For 1857 we bettered or equalled 24 x times in 30 x seasons.

Bulldogs 2016 Points Against 1609 closest we got was 1734 in 2010, 0 x Times in 30 x seasons.

With Pagan and his seven consecutive prelims for two flags perhaps you have nailed why.

 

[Yojimbo]

Luck Beveridge (I bought a zoo) The Various Additions:

Matthew Suckling (Hawthorn)
Taylor Duryea (Hawthorn)
Hayden Crozier (Fremantle)
Josh Schache (Brisbane)
Sam Lloyd (Richmond)
Josh Bruce (St Kilda)
Alex Keath (Adelaide)
Jackson Trengove (Port Adelaide)

Jed Adcock (Brisbane) Gone
Travis Cloke (Collingwood) Gone
Thomas Boyd (GWS Giants) Gone
Joel Hamling (Geelong DFA) Gone
Shane Biggs (Sydney) Gone
Jordan Kelly (Hawthorn DFA) Gone

So a lot of big power forwards in that trade bonanza and a lot of big defenders too.

National Draft 2015-2019:

2015:
Pick 25: Josh Dunkley (Stolen Sydney potential F/S who is excelling)
Pick 26: Kieran Collins (Despite the "Keep Colons" campaign, dad packed his bags) Gone
Pick 35: Marcus Adams (Won best upper body and biceps, before taking the trophy to Brisbane) Gone
Pick 48: Bailey Williams (A quiet achiever about to explode and dominate best 22 status)

2016:
Pick 19: Tim English (Full of potential, terrible word potential)
Pick 28: Patrick Lipinski (Could be really good if given his head to run free)
Pick 49: Lewis Young (Athletic type with poor disposal, clouded in the fog of uncertainty)
Pick 70: Fergus Greene (Endurance is off the chart, don't think do)

2017:
Pick 9: Aaron Naughton (Was not a huge fan, but he has been amazing at both ends)
Pick 16: Ed Richards (Gifted games due to his athletic profile, needs to turn up the volume)
Pick 74: Callum Porter (Improving, but at the back of a long line of similar types)

2018:
Pick 7: Bailey Smith (Mullet headed marvel, looks very good so far)
Pick 26: Rhylee West F/S (Finished second in the VFL best and fairest last year, role ?)
Pick 37: Laitham Vandermeer (Over aged player with good skills, injury prone as a youngster)
Pick 45: Ben Cavarra (Known him since his Frankston days, deserved his chance)
Pick 78: Will Hayes (Great servant of Footscray, earned his chance, good depth)

2019:
Pick 15: Cody Weightman (x-factor small forward to replace Dickson and Lloyd in time)
Pick 53: Louis Butler (Flanker type or transition style player)
Pick 62: Riley Garcia (ACL recovering small type, head scratcher)

Mid Season Draft:
Ryan Gardner (Ex-Geelong player who impressed someone at the club or has the photos)

Rookie Draft:
2015:
Brad Lynch (Might need to press the magic button this year)
Luke Goetz (Gone before he got there, sadly)
Jed Adcock (Gone, but not at a huge cost)

2016:
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh (Gone, name clearly too long on the magnetic board)
Joshua Prudden (Gone, injury prone as he was as a junior)

2017:
Billy Gowers (Leading goal kicker, who has slid out of favour)
Roarke Smith (Bevo's surfing, skating buddy, injuries have been harsh)

2018:
Lachie Young (Another over aged player who shows promise and SHOULD be playing every week)
Jordon Sweet (Another over aged player facing the daunting challenge of replacing B.T.C good luck with that)

Well there it is Luck Beveridge building the next generation of Bulldog heroes destined for the back of a breakfast cereal box or
whose face will adorn the many badges pinned to your free membership scarves.

 

[Yojimbo]

Luck Beveridge: (The Goals Will Kick Themselves)

2015: (246)
Jake Stringer 56 (x)
Tory Dickson 50
Stewart Crameri 32 (x)
Jack Redpath 19 (x)
Marcus Bontempelli 17
Luke Dahlhaus 17 (x)
Thomas Boyd 16 (x)
Mitchell Wallis 15
Liam Picken 13 (x)
Jarrad Grant 11 (x)

2016: (217)
Jake Stringer 42 (x)
Tory Dickson 40
Marcus Bontempelli 26
Jack Redpath 20 (x)
Clay Smith 18 (x)
Liam Picken 17 (x)
Thomas Liberatore 14
Toby McLean 14
Thomas Boyd 13 (x)
Lin Jong 13

2017: (166)
Jake Stringer 24 (x)
Liam Picken 24 (x)
Marcus Bontempelli 20
Lachie Hunter 18
Bailey Dale 17
Jack Redpath 15 (x)
Luke Dahlhaus 13 (x)
Toby McLean 13
Tory Dickson 11
Travis Cloke 11 (x)

2018: (143)
Billy Gowers 26
Marcus Bontempelli 22
Mitch Wallis 20
Josh Schache 17
Patrick Lipinski 12
Josh Dunkley 11
Toby McLean 11
Jackson Macrae 8
Lachie Hunter 8
Tory Dickson 8

2019: (203)
Sam Lloyd 38
Aaron Naughton 32
Josh Schache 24
Tory Dickson 24
Bailey Dale 21
Marcus Bontempelli 15
Toby McLean 14
Billy Gowers 13
Josh Dunkley 11
Bailey Smith 11

Well there it is a five year journey through our top ten goal kickers for the year, pick the years we played finals if you can though
it may prove difficult for some. What will 2020 hold with it's reduced season we will have to wait and see all I know is the Pie Man
competition is as wide open as it has been in living memory.

 

[Fossie 32]

Jake and Liam challenging the outstanding total bagged by Jason Watts when he was our leading goalkicker

 

[Yojimbo]

Jake and Liam challenging the outstanding total bagged by Jason Watts when he was our leading goalkicker

I wonder if he is related to Jack Watts, no I don't .

 

[Yojimbo]

Premier Top Ten Goal Kickers Totals 2010-2019:

2019: Richmond 232 Goals
2018: West Coast 258 Goals
2017: Richmond 254 Goals
2016: Western Bulldogs 217 Goals
2015: Hawthorn 320 Goals
2014: Hawthorn 319 Goals
2013: Hawthorn 328 Goals
2012: Sydney 285 Goals
2011: Geelong 307 Goals
2010: Collingwood 273 Goals

Yet another measure of the greatness of Luck Beveridge as he clearly was giving up a lot of ground to the other premiership teams,
but none of them WON it from seventh place although a disturbing trend towards defence does tend to emerge from those stats
when viewed over the recent seasons. Judging by Richmond versus Collingwood tonight we could get a sub 50 Goal Coleman Medal.

 

[Yojimbo]

2016 Goalkickers Top Ten: Ladder Format (Plus actual ladder top eight):

Adelaide: 336 Goals
GWS Giants: 289 Goals
Sydney: 282 Goals
West Coast: 279 Goals
Hawthorn: 273 Goals
Geelong: 253 Goals
North Melbourne: 244 Goals
Port Adelaide: 228 Goals

St Kilda: 222 Goals (Benau)
Western Bulldogs: 217 Goals *Eventual Premier*
Melbourne: 209 Goals
Gold Coast: 203 Goals
Richmond: 190 Goals
Collingwood: 185 Goals
Fremantle: 175 Goals
Brisbane: 163 Goals
Essendon: 145 Goals
Carlton: 141 Goals

Actual AFL Ladder Top Eight:
Sydney: 68 Points
Geelong: 68 Points
Hawthorn: 68 Points
GWS Giants: 64 Points
Adelaide: 64 Points
West Coast: 64 Points
Western Bulldogs: 60 Points
North Melbourne: 48 Points

An illustration of the importance of Points Against in the premiership push of Luck Beveridge and the mighty Western Bulldogs,
but also a graphic warning that in that position it does not take a major drop off too miss the eight completely. There were
plenty of high scoring top ten goal kickers in 2016 with Adelaide leading the way with 336 Goals well above any of the three
peat years mustered by the mighty Hawthorn that in itself shows the importance of the balance between attack and defence.

 

[Yojimbo]

Western Bulldogs The Finals:

Through the eyes of the top ten goal kickers totals:

2019 Bulldogs: 203 Goals
2016 Bulldogs: 217 Goals
2015 Bulldogs: 246 Goals
2010 Bulldogs: 254 Goals
2009 Bulldogs: 284 Goals
2008 Bulldogs: 321 Goals
2006 Bulldogs: 270 Goals
2000 Bulldogs: 277 Goals
1999 Bulldogs: 286 Goals
1998 Bulldogs: 286 Goals
1997 Bulldogs: 258 Goals
1995 Bulldogs: 212 Goals
1994 Bulldogs: 227 Goals
1992 Bulldogs: 319 Goals

1990-2019 = 30 x Finals, 11 x Wins, 19 x Losses, MCG x 23, Giants Stadium x 2, Domain Stadium x 2, Gabba x 2, Waverly x 1.
Again an illustration of how brilliant 2016 was without the forward half dominance of preceding finals failures, bit of a shame
that we lost so many qualifying finals to the eventual premier and did not have that instant confidence boost that comes from
momentum in a finals series.

 

[Mattdougie]

One of the only coaches in sporting history to have a plan/system/aura that worked and then tried to change it FOR NO KNOWN REASON

Outsmarted himself and hasn’t been able to recapture it and isn’t even close at the moment.

Won a flag and since then his absolute arrogance and stubbornness have ruined any chance of team success.

If the club does not bring in someone to challenges him and move the puppets on it won’t matter what list we have

 

[Yojimbo]

One of the only coaches in sporting history to have a plan/system/aura that worked and then tried to change it FOR NO KNOWN REASON

Outsmarted himself and hasn’t been able to recapture it and isn’t even close at the moment.

Won a flag and since then his absolute arrogance and stubbornness have ruined any chance of team success.

If the club does not bring in someone to challenges him and move the puppets on it won’t matter what list we have

I can't remember the name of the coach who took the foxes to the EPL title in 2016 I think he was an Italian, but he got sacked the next year
from memory. We have lost a lot since 2016 a lot have had to retire for various reasons not all of those reasons were Luck Beveridge's to
make. It is too simple to expect things to just continue onwards and upwards when I have shown repeatedly on this thread how much you
as a team have to go right to win the flag from seventh. I actually think we were better placed in 2015 and I demonstrated that, all I know
is I wish some of our other coaches had a touch of Luck Beveridge's defensive capabilities and he was more blessed with a touch of their
attacking flair. You can search for this balance ideal for a lifetime and go unrewarded, but it's a tough gig pure and simple.

 

[dergert]

It would be absolutely disasterous if we lost this coach.

Something is seriously up

 

[Mattdougie]

I can't remember the name of the coach who took the foxes to the EPL title in 2016 I think he was an Italian, but he got sacked the next year
from memory. We have lost a lot since 2016 a lot have had to retire for various reasons not all of those reasons were Luck Beveridge's to
make. It is too simple to expect things to just continue onwards and upwards when I have shown repeatedly on this thread how much you
as a team have to go right to win the flag from seventh. I actually think we were better placed in 2015 and I demonstrated that, all I know
is I wish some of our other coaches had a touch of Luck Beveridge's defensive capabilities and he was more blessed with a touch of their
attacking flair. You can search for this balance ideal for a lifetime and go unrewarded, but it's a tough gig pure and simple.

Not talking about personal

We won a flag the last game of 2016 with a certain plan and structure

We started the first game of 2017 with no plan or structure and to this day no one has explained why?

Raineri didn’t change Leicester way of playing and they lost a couple of VITAL players that on football are pivotal.

 

[Yojimbo]

Not talking about personal

We won a flag the last game of 2016 with a certain plan and structure

We started the first game of 2017 with no plan or structure and to this day no one has explained why?

Raineri didn’t change Leicester way of playing and they lost a couple of VITAL players that on football are pivotal.

We won a flag ranked 12th for Points For and 3rd for Points Against for the eventual premier our Points Against ranks third in the AFL
Era 1990-2019 behind Hawthorn 2015 and West Coast 1992. Luck Beveridge was a defensive coordinator that defence only has to fall
away a very small percentage and BAM we miss finals because the attack does not cover it at all.

 

[Mattdougie]

We won a flag ranked 12th for Points For and 3rd for Points Against for the eventual premier our Points Against ranks third in the AFL
Era 1990-2019 behind Hawthorn 2015 and West Coast 1992. Luck Beveridge was a defensive coordinator that defence only has to fall
away a very small percentage and BAM we miss finals because the attack does not cover it at all.

Huh?? What has that got to do with changing a plan that worked for no reason ?

We won THAT IS THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS. It was moronic to change it because prowl MAY have worked it out and it seems to be going ok for the Tigers

 

[Yojimbo]

Huh?? What has that got to do with changing a plan that worked for no reason ?

We won THAT IS THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS. It was moronic to change it because prowl MAY have worked it out and it seems to be going ok for the Tigers

No it does not MD, just watch these statistics and see if you can follow:

2016: Points for 1857, Points Against 1609
2017: Points for 1857, Points Against 1913

Can you spot the difference MD, Points For identical, but Points Against 304 more, so by using your logic did we change anything
in the Points For column, no we did not. I will give you one more example.

2003: Points For 2014, Points Against 2693

Now you may say Yojimbo why have you shown me that year, it's very simple we won the wooden spoon that year and still scored
more Points For than our glorious 2016 Premiership Year, but Points Against was a tad high just a tad mind you.

Since 2016: Matthew Boyd, Robert Murphy, Liam Picken, Joel Hamling, Jake Stringer, Luke Dahlhaus, Shane Biggs, Stewart Crameri,
Marcus Adams, Jordan Roughead, Clay Smith and even Tom Boyd.

Beveridge knew he had to score more Points For because his Points Against in 2016 was impossible to replicate, if it was then every
Alister, Damien and Adam would not be so obsessed with finishing in the top four to give themselves the best chance at lifting the
holy grail. Now you may find that moronic, but I would say expecting to jag another flag from seventh is moronic and it is only
natural to morph the game plan to increase the chances of once again needing a bigger trophy cabinet.

 

[Mattdougie]

No it does not MD, just watch these statistics and see if you can follow:

2016: Points for 1857, Points Against 1609
2017: Points for 1857, Points Against 1913

Can you spot the difference MD, Points For identical, but Points Against 304 more, so by using your logic did we change anything
in the Points For column, no we did not. I will give you one more example.

2003: Points For 2014, Points Against 2693

Now you may say Yojimbo why have you shown me that year, it's very simple we won the wooden spoon that year and still scored
more Points For than our glorious 2016 Premiership Year, but Points Against was a tad high just a tad mind you.

Since 2016: Matthew Boyd, Robert Murphy, Liam Picken, Joel Hamling, Jake Stringer, Luke Dahlhaus, Shane Biggs, Stewart Crameri,
Marcus Adams, Jordan Roughead, Clay Smith and even Tom Boyd.

Beveridge knew he had to score more Points For because his Points Against in 2016 was impossible to replicate, if it was then every
Alister, Damien and Adam would not be so obsessed with finishing in the top four to give themselves the best chance at lifting the
holy grail. Now you may find that moronic, but I would say expecting to jag another flag from seventh is moronic and it is only
natural to morph the game plan to increase the chances of once again needing a bigger trophy cabinet.

Disagree completely, we only finish 7th due to injuries we were a top 4 team easily that year

He changed it from a competing team to bottom 6 winning less than 50% of games since so he definitely fixed it didn’t he?

When you are winning, no matter how you do it you don’t change because YOU THINK it won’t work again.

Anyway you will throw more stats at me trying to defend Bev so I’m out

Have a great day

 

[Yojimbo]

Anyway you will throw more stats at me trying to defend Bev so I’m out

Have a great day

I am not defending him at all, just leaving enough bread crumbs on the track for Hansel and Gretel to be obese from eating the
bread crumbs and thus not being able to fit through the witches door. 1857 our Points For we bettered 24 x Times in the AFL
Era 1990-2019, no eventual premier has had a worse Points For, but could this year with only 17 Games. You have a great day
too and Listerine should wash out the taste of defeat.

 

[Mattdougie]

I am not defending him at all, just leaving enough bread crumbs on the track for Hansel and Gretel to be obese from eating the
bread crumbs and thus not being able to fit through the witches door. 1857 our Points For we bettered 24 x Times in the AFL
Era 1990-2019, no eventual premier has had a worse Points For, but could this year with only 17 Games. You have a great day
too and Listerine should wash out the taste of defeat.

Yep never happened before but we just did it so that’s impossible to happen again isn’t it?

You know what? It’s a lot more possible than being utter shite and not even making finals because you are worried about numbers that haven’t happened to us yet