ben cousins

[blue gunslinger]

So Tex do you want L Angwin back?
Just because Cuz won a Brownlow he is an exception

 

[Tex Walker]

No there is a difference between being addicted to drugs and trying to sort yourself out, compared with turning up to training pingin off your face. You would be surprised at the amount of players who take drugs. I have personally seen current carlton.

 

[The Coach]

Interesting reading folks

I always wondered about that grin of his Guns, used to tell myself to give him the benefit of the doubt (- nervous grin maybe) but you have swayed me.

Tex makes a good point about the blind eye that the media turn when it is their actor mates. Maybe footballers need to get themselves into the entertainers whatever union.

 

[4blues]

No there is a difference between being addicted to drugs and trying to sort yourself out, compared with turning up to training pingin off your face. You would be surprised at the amount of players who take drugs. I have personally seen current carlton.

Back up your words, name names?

 

[Warsaw]

Bit of harsh criticism of Cousins here. All of which is valid and nothing short of the truth. But I'd much rather focus on the action/behaviour/attitude after his drug rehabilitation (his future) then talk about what has been his past.

 

[Tex Walker]

Back up your words, name names?

im definitely not going to name names he is one of our best players and the reaction here is way too harsh this player would get ripped to shreds by you guys, Btw i do not consider myself a lag so im not going to lag in one of our players in a public forum mate if you really want to know i may pm you

 

[lily of laguna]

im definitely not going to name names he is one of our best players and the reaction here is way too harsh this player would get ripped to shreds by you guys, Btw i do not consider myself a lag so im not going to lag in one of our players in a public forum mate if you really want to know i may pm you

Mate you are a tool !!

As much as you try and convince us that you understand the drugs issue and have inside knowledge on footballers lives and you wouldnt snitch on a player (even though you then suggest someone to PM you so you can tell them) etc.. you are naive.

As for Cousins, I think you are re-writing history to suit your position.

He was never caught by the AFL drug testing, but his club and team-mates and alot of the public knew for years that he was taking gear.

The media didnt get involved until Ben started publically breaking the law, running from the cops, driving under the influence etc...

The media is going to run these stories if there is a celebrity involved every time.

The issue is that Ben thought he could get away with it because he is an arrogant prick, he knew that his club wasnt going to do anything because they were weak, but Ben and his off - field behaviour became too much eventually and we all know what happened after that.

Dont try and say the victim is Ben and the media are to blame, and that heaps of football players are doing it etc... Ben blatantly flaunted the rules for years and if he wasnt such a "golden boy" would have been shown the door years earlier.

And the whole, "he never tested positive" argument is crap. It is easy to not get caught, because the AFL testing is a joke. Remember Aker's comments about being tested 3-4 times and his teammates never being tested. The random testing isnt so random it seems.

So get real "Tex" you are living in fairy land!

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I have not seen or read anywhere where Judd has come out and said he would like to have Cousins aboard. Anyone else?

I believe that the conditions are so strict that if he is still using he will be caught pretty early in the piece. God knows they will be all over him.

Any club giving him a 2nd chance can work the angle to make them look good and shouldn't be damaged if he comes unstuck. "We gave Ben a second chance but unfortunately he still isn't over the problem, blah blah blah", what damage does that do?

The guy is a champion footballer and would be enormous to any club that picks him up.

Without the problem, if entering the draft he would be a top shelf selection.

Drafting him would also take some pressure of the young guys and the high expectations put upon them, through a degree of deflecting the media attention.

Draft him and cut him if he stuffs up. He would look great in #9, But that's just my thoughts.

Cousins is a loser!
Judd wont have him at the club.

The club is on the right track and doesnt need a time bomb to send it back to the stone age.
Cousins will put more pressure on the kids.. as he will attract daily attention from the media...
You cant draft Cousins and be unnacountable when it goes belly up... jus watch StKilda.. they think theyre going to do the same thing...

 

[swans12]

Cousins is a loser!
Judd wont have him at the club.

The club is on the right track and doesnt need a time bomb to send it back to the stone age.
Cousins will put more pressure on the kids.. as he will attract daily attention from the media...
You cant draft Cousins and be unnacountable when it goes belly up... jus watch StKilda.. they think theyre going to do the same thing...

That was my original question, where has Judd come out and stated this?

If the guy is allowed to play again by the AFL, they will take most of the heat, what ever club takes him on shouldn't wear too much, they just followed the AFL's lead and gave the guy a fair go, which he didn't take.

How can anyone be sure about the fact that he
A. Will Re-offend.
B. Is a so called "time bomb" as you say.

Do you know him and where his state of mind and his addiction are at?

If he is together and clean, he would be the pick up of the century and no-one would argue with that.

 

[Kramer1]

I hear all this talk about risks and I really see them being pretty minimal. Look at the stringent conditions the AFL have placed on him. There's is no room for him to hide, he simply can't fall back to those old days. Have Harvey be a mentor to the guy, there's no one better to make sure he'll toe the line.

On the field there is no question on how he'll perform. This is not recycling a player that never proved anything. This is a brownlow medallist, premiership player, all australian. You don't just lose your skill and the worst we could do is have him playing off the bench.

Time to let the dream die mate...

Your trying to apply logic to a totally illogical thing in addiction. People are loving the idea of a resurrected ben Cousins, but the reality with any addiction is that failure rate is high.

Secondly...the guy is the wrong side of thirty, with the best part of two years out of the game. He might still be handy, he might even be very good, but he will never get back to where he was and we are not in a position to be managing highly paid veterans off the bench.

Let the Saints have him I say.

 

[theoneweekwonder]

Cousins won't help Carlton,we don't need him

 

[Warsaw]

Time to let the dream die mate...

Your trying to apply logic to a totally illogical thing in addiction. People are loving the idea of a resurrected ben Cousins, but the reality with any addiction is that failure rate is high.

Secondly...the guy is the wrong side of thirty, with the best part of two years out of the game. He might still be handy, he might even be very good, but he will never get back to where he was and we are not in a position to be managing highly paid veterans off the bench.

Let the Saints have him I say.

I've already conceded that we won't go after him. That being said it's not going to be such a bad thing, as most people seem it may be, if he did get picked up by us.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

That was my original question, where has Judd come out and stated this?

If the guy is allowed to play again by the AFL, they will take most of the heat, what ever club takes him on shouldn't wear too much, they just followed the AFL's lead and gave the guy a fair go, which he didn't take.

How can anyone be sure about the fact that he
A. Will Re-offend.
B. Is a so called "time bomb" as you say.

Do you know him and where his state of mind and his addiction are at?

If he is together and clean, he would be the pick up of the century and no-one would argue with that.

There is no way he can be the pick up of the century.....


His state of nmind is such he didnt submit himself to a full drug test....

So i know his drug problems arent fixed....

And have you tried giving up ciggies????

Its a second to second ... minute to minute... hour to hour... day to day... week to week... month to month... year to year prospect...
I think youd have to be completely naive to beieve a 10 year druggie can just fick the habit just like that....

Adiction is a demon.... and its not something you can just remedy...


Cousins will be a drug addict for the rest of his life.. even if he says "no"!!


I think some people like to believe in fairytales... if youre one.. try a Hand Christian Anderson book,.....!!!

Leave a 40 million a year business to the realists...

 

[BlueYoss]

Leave a 40 million a year business to the realists...

CFC wouldn't even turn over half of that in a year...I think the top clubs turn over about $18-19M.

 

[swans12]

There is no way he can be the pick up of the century.....


His state of nmind is such he didnt submit himself to a full drug test....

So i know his drug problems arent fixed....

And have you tried giving up ciggies????

Its a second to second ... minute to minute... hour to hour... day to day... week to week... month to month... year to year prospect...
I think youd have to be completely naive to beieve a 10 year druggie can just fick the habit just like that....

Adiction is a demon.... and its not something you can just remedy...


Cousins will be a drug addict for the rest of his life.. even if he says "no"!!


I think some people like to believe in fairytales... if youre one.. try a Hand Christian Anderson book,.....!!!

Leave a 40 million a year business to the realists...

I am a realist and simply floated the idea for discussion mate, so you can get off the high horse.

You seem to know him personally by the sound of things, so we will all just take your word for things.

As for the pick up of the century line, I did state categorically if he was clean and his mind was right.

How many brownlow medallists have been picked up as a reject, not many and mate he looks pretty fit.

Ask the Swans how he tore them a new one upon his return after his initial lay off?

I am not a fairytale reader mate, but Ben Cousins wasn't a fictional player either last time I saw him.

I will leave the running of the AFL to the AFL.

 

[jj1978]

Not that I'm for Cousins playing for us..... but those saying it's a bit suss about him shaving his head... just so you know.. Fev has shaved off his hair too.. as has Gibbs... should we be suspicious about them too?

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I am a realist and simply floated the idea for discussion mate, so you can get off the high horse.

You seem to know him personally by the sound of things, so we will all just take your word for things.

As for the pick up of the century line, I did state categorically if he was clean and his mind was right.

How many brownlow medallists have been picked up as a reject, not many and mate he looks pretty fit.

Ask the Swans how he tore them a new one upon his return after his initial lay off?

I am not a fairytale reader mate, but Ben Cousins wasn't a fictional player either last time I saw him.

I will leave the running of the AFL to the AFL.

*You did state "clean of mind" but you dont understand addiction.... do you???
*If Cousins was clean of mind he would have subitted a single 3 cm hair for scrutiny.. he didnt did he??
*Williams won a premiership as a reject...... actually he won 2 premierships as a reject and could have won himself 3...
Libba is another.....


*Cousins is a fictional character.. and he lives in his on mind as an overinflated opinion of himself...

*AND that is why there are not too many clubs willing to take him on.. even though he tore "Sydney a new one"

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Not that I'm for Cousins playing for us..... but those saying it's a bit suss about him shaving his head... just so you know.. Fev has shaved off his hair too.. as has Gibbs... should we be suspicious about them too?

Ah yes.. but i didnt see where either of those two or anyone else was summonsed to hand a hair over for inspection....

Like .. if you had to hand a hair over for some kind of drug test.. youd do it wouldnt you????

Plus im pretty sure those two dont wax their underarms.... what do you think???

 

[Dramoth]

Not that I'm for Cousins playing for us..... but those saying it's a bit suss about him shaving his head... just so you know.. Fev has shaved off his hair too.. as has Gibbs... should we be suspicious about them too?

It was the whole waxed body and shaved head thing that sort of suggests that he isnt as clean as he is making himself out to be.

1cm of hair = approximately 1 month so to be tested properly, 3 cm of hair is required to test for the last 3 months...

 

[swans12]

*You did state "clean of mind" but you dont understand addiction.... do you???
*If Cousins was clean of mind he would have subitted a single 3 cm hair for scrutiny.. he didnt did he??
*Williams won a premiership as a reject...... actually he won 2 premierships as a reject and could have won himself 3...
Libba is another.....


*Cousins is a fictional character.. and he lives in his on mind as an overinflated opinion of himself...

*AND that is why there are not too many clubs willing to take him on.. even though he tore "Sydney a new one"

What are you talking about !!!

Who the hell was that playing all those games and getting his Brownlow then?
He has been given the okay by the controlling body to play. If he was asked to supply the hair sample and didn't he wouldn't have been readmitted. He will be stringently tested and asked for the hair sample. If he cannot supply the hair sample, they have stated that he will be suspended.

I like most believe it is a bit suss he shaved down, but they will want 4 samples per year or no play, so if he isn't clean it will be found out sooner or later.

He may well 'always' be a drug addict, but unless he is caught in the testing he can continue to play like all the other drug takers in the world of sport.


As for the two "rejects" you quoted.

Williams was rejected by the Blues originally but certainly wasn't a brownlow medallist at that time, then went to the Cats until signed by the Swans, then left the Swans and signed to become a Blue.

and Libba, won his brownlow after years at the Dogs,

Both weren't brownlow medallists when they were recycled.

Anyway, last time I looked it was a forum, so I will have my opinion, no matter what you choose to write and you can spend time with those imaginery friends of yours, talking about the state of mind of drug addicts.

Neither of us will determine whether any club will take Cousins and I am sure those courting him have a 100% better idea about his state of addiction and state of mind than you or anyone else on BF.

 

[jj1978]

Everyone just note that 6 AFL listed players are on 2 strikes at the moment on the AFL drug code... what if at least one of those players were a Carlton listed player.. how would you feel?

Cousins screwed up monumentally, also seems to have the personality of one that is a a sociopath.... but in saying that a lot of AFL players are shaving their heads and waxing their bodies these days... Fev at the moment has a shaved head and no other hair apparent on his body either.. as has Gibbs, Murphy and Cloke I believe. It seems to be the latest footballer look, probably done more so to stick their noses at the AFL for asking for a hair sample now as well.

Just give the guy a second chance who knows... we gave Angwin and Norman a second chance and sure it failed but what if it didn't? They'd be better people for it and so would the club... but we've just got to find it in our hearts to just hope for Ben's sake that he is recovering successfully.

 

[Blues_Man]

Everyone just note that 6 AFL listed players are on 2 strikes at the moment on the AFL drug code... what if at least one of those players were a Carlton listed player.. how would you feel?

Cousins screwed up monumentally, also seems to have the personality of one that is a a sociopath.... but in saying that a lot of AFL players are shaving their heads and waxing their bodies these days... Fev at the moment has a shaved head and no other hair apparent on his body either.. as has Gibbs, Murphy and Cloke I believe. It seems to be the latest footballer look, probably done more so to stick their noses at the AFL for asking for a hair sample now as well.

Just give the guy a second chance who knows... we gave Angwin and Norman a second chance and sure it failed but what if it didn't? They'd be better people for it and so would the club... but we've just got to find it in our hearts to just hope for Ben's sake that he is recovering successfully.

We don't have to find anything in our hearts ..the bloke is 30 years old and a known druggie ..he was the person who decided to take the drugs ..nobody forced it upon him ...he made his bed, let him lie in it ..and keep him away from our club .
If he was a hack footballer you wouldn't be finding anything in your heart

 

[Shambolic]

I'm all for giving people second chances in life...

But isnt it his third chance?

 

[jj1978]

We don't have to find anything in our hearts ..the bloke is 30 years old and a known druggie ..he was the person who decided to take the drugs ..nobody forced it upon him ...he made his bed, let him lie in it ..and keep him away from our club .
If he was a hack footballer you wouldn't be finding anything in your heart

Your sarcastic ending is a little unfair.. first of all I don't want Cousin's to be playing for Carlton... and secondly I do believe that most people warrant a second chance in life. So he's a 30 year old druggie... so what do you want him to do for the rest of his life??

He at least has shown some semblance of trying... instead of giving up on himself he has continued to train hard (even knowing he may not play again) and look after himself physically. He did admit publically about his issue (even if forced.. still a hard thing to do) and has been to rehab (failure or not.. he attended and tried).

Carey to be honest I think did a lot worse in his career (yes he did drugs too and alcohol), slept with a team-mates wife and other things yet after his year of solitude a lot of people wanted to give him that second chance... Cousins deserves that chance too.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

What are you talking about !!!

Who the hell was that playing all those games and getting his Brownlow then?
He has been given the okay by the controlling body to play. If he was asked to supply the hair sample and didn't he wouldn't have been readmitted. He will be stringently tested and asked for the hair sample. If he cannot supply the hair sample, they have stated that he will be suspended.

I like most believe it is a bit suss he shaved down, but they will want 4 samples per year or no play, so if he isn't clean it will be found out sooner or later.

He may well 'always' be a drug addict, but unless he is caught in the testing he can continue to play like all the other drug takers in the world of sport.


As for the two "rejects" you quoted.

Williams was rejected by the Blues originally but certainly wasn't a brownlow medallist at that time, then went to the Cats until signed by the Swans, then left the Swans and signed to become a Blue.

and Libba, won his brownlow after years at the Dogs,

Both weren't brownlow medallists when they were recycled.

Anyway, last time I looked it was a forum, so I will have my opinion, no matter what you choose to write and you can spend time with those imaginery friends of yours, talking about the state of mind of drug addicts.

Neither of us will determine whether any club will take Cousins and I am sure those courting him have a 100% better idea about his state of addiction and state of mind than you or anyone else on BF.

The guy that was running around "playing all those games" was a junkie...
He singlehandedly brought down one of the most powerful AFLs clubs almost.
For years he was allowed to walk around and do what he liked...till for the West Coast it was too late....
... he wouldnt co operate with police on a shooting... he tattooed "Such is Life" or whatever he has on his body... to quote an outlaw and a murderer...
.... He is a man living a delusion that he is some kind of romantic outlaw...
Even when he had to hand over a pube he wouldnt...

Just says it all .. does it not???

and by the way.. the only teams courting him are the naive and desperate.. and nah.. i think i have a pretty good handle on Ben Cousins... people that knw him pretty well have told the club to "stay away"
There is no way i would take your word over 'theirs'..

Youre dreaming!!!