Ben Long hit on Darcy

[theyellowsash]

For all we say about Christian, he sent it to the tribunal because he thought the 3 weeks wasn't enough.

Then the tribunal let him off with 3 weeks, because apparently long having a bad bumping technique makes it ok.

I don't know what's dumber. That stkildas lawyer thought that was a good argument, or that the dipshits accepted it.

Absolute s**t show.

 

[Plugger35]

For all we say about Christian, he sent it to the tribunal because he thought the 3 weeks wasn't enough.

Then the tribunal let him off with 3 weeks, because apparently long having a bad bumping technique makes it ok.

I don't know what's dumber. That stkildas lawyer thought that was a good argument, or that the dipshits accepted it.

Absolute sh*t show.

What's dumber is Pickett getting off scot free for bumping Heeney in the head just because Heeney was able to get up and keep playing.

Richmond getting looked after as per usual.

 

[LOZWILDA]

If Darcy stayed on his feet it would be a whole different story.
If Heeney was concussed it would be a whole different story.
The result should be meaningless, but the have chosen a terrible path.

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[Yojimbo]

What's dumber is Pickett getting off scot free for bumping Heeney in the head just because Heeney was able to get up and keep playing.

Richmond getting looked after as per usual.

1,000 dollar fine for Marlion Pickett so not off free, what i need to know is did Sean Darcy make it to first base or was he given out
when tagged by Ben Long the first baseman. First Base being the football in this case, i would love to hear David King and some of
the others who constructed the gallows actually say or demonstrate what an 82kg man facing a 113kg opponent should of done.

 

[DaTBird187]

Main cause of the damage there is appalling technique by Darcy.

This is what happens when players lead with their heads. It should’ve been a harmless bump.

That needs to be the focus if we want to stamp out head hits.

Yep. Darcy also drops to his knees right before the impact. Long clearly in the wrong by playing the man, but Darcy had a lot of input into the final outcome.

 

[Purple Suit]

Victim blaming in this thread is amazing.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

3 weeks was the right and correct outcome (Would have been 5 -6 in a normal season)

Tribunal got it spot on for once.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

For all we say about Christian, he sent it to the tribunal because he thought the 3 weeks wasn't enough.

Then the tribunal let him off with 3 weeks, because apparently long having a bad bumping technique makes it ok.

I don't know what's dumber. That stkildas lawyer thought that was a good argument, or that the dipshits accepted it.

Absolute sh*t show.

What the hell are you craping on about ? The AFL argued for a 3 week penalty, nothing to do with St Kilda or their lawyer ?

He was never going to cop a big whack in a shortened season, 3 weeks is a perfectly adequate penalty.

Beats me what has gotten you all riled up about this ?

 

[Purple Suit]

If Darcy stayed on his feet it would be a whole different story.
If Heeney was concussed it would be a whole different story.
The result should be meaningless, but the have chosen a terrible path.

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Outcome is the easiest way to judge impact. The harder the force, the more damage that is caused.

It’s hard enough to judge everything else fairly so outcome based charges actually give the MRO a consistent, measurable base to build the case on.

It’s different to law and some players get lucky but I think it’s better than the alternative, a s**t show of inconsistency. At least if you gain an advantage on field (concussed / affected opponent) you get extra weeks.

 

[Yojimbo]

Victim blaming in this thread is amazing.

Alright Purple Suit you have the floor, what action should Ben Long have taken ? 3 weeks is fine by the way let us use a Friday
sliding doors analogy. IF: Sean Darcy keeps his feet. THEN: Both players play this week. (Unless they were injured later).

 

[Purple Suit]

Alright Purple Suit you have the floor, what action should Ben Long have taken ? 3 weeks is fine by the way let us use a Friday
sliding doors analogy. IF: Sean Darcy keeps his feet. THEN: Both players play this week. (Unless they were injured later).

If that cop wasn’t there, I wouldn’t have been fined for speeding or just don’t speed?

Long chose to play the man, not the ball. Didn’t get near the ball. There are 20 throw ins a game and this doesn’t happen 20 times. Ruckman also have to get low to pickup a ground ball because they are tall.

Long just needs to pick up the ball. He probably would have considering he was competing with a giant ruck with far less agility who was losing his balance at the time.

 

[Yojimbo]

If that cop wasn’t there, I wouldn’t have been fined for speeding or just don’t speed?

Long chose to play the man, not the ball. Didn’t get near the ball. There are 20 throw ins a game and this doesn’t happen 20 times. Ruckman also have to get low to pickup a ground ball because they are tall.

Long just needs to pick up the ball. He probably would have considering he was competing with a giant ruck with far less agility who was losing his balance at the time.

Thanks for the reply, so you are saying if Ben Long had the ball in his hands when he collided with Sean Darcy he would not of been
concussed or hurt. Maybe that traffic cop could determine who has right of way at a loose ball, i know in Rugby Union you cannot
play at the ball unless you keep your feet. Let us call it 3 weeks and good luck to Freo on the weekend, hope Sean Darcy gets up
for the game as he was playing well before he got hurt.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Victim blaming in this thread is amazing.

There's more victim blaming in this thread than the Gaff-Brayshaw thread - and that's saying something!

I watched the video in the OP a few times

There is no way Long is protecting the ball zone for a teammate - there is no teammate nearby - he was the closest to the ball by a long shot. The closest teammate was Jack Steele - and he was behind both Long AND Darcy. Plus Steel gives a slight nudge to Darcy, which doesn't help the bump by Long



Then there are the arguments that Darcy needs to be somewhat to blame for leading head first? Like how TF else is he going to get the ball - he clearly leads with his hands and has to bend over because he's a ****ing ruckman (look where the ball is in relation to his hands on both the below angles) And those feet at the top of the the bottom image are of a Freo player - so again, no Saints player for him to protect the ball zone for

Plus we were all taught as juniors, to bend over and pick the ball up because the one going for the ball would almost always get rewarded with a free kick if anything illegal happened




Long probably clumsily went the bump - but you can't do that anymore so 3 weeks is probably fair in a shortened season

 

[Purple Suit]

Thanks for the reply, so you are saying if Ben Long had the ball in his hands when he collided with Sean Darcy he would not of been
concussed or hurt. Maybe that traffic cop could determine who has right of way at a loose ball, i know in Rugby Union you cannot
play at the ball unless you keep your feet. Let us call it 3 weeks and good luck to Freo on the weekend, hope Sean Darcy gets up
for the game as he was playing well before he got hurt.

If Long plays the ball he doesn’t smash into Darcy at full pace as he slows down a bit so he can pick it up. Darcy was there first and if he continues to fall on it, it’s an easy Tackle / lock-in and holding the ball decision.
Sliding Doors - Saints win because Long doesn’t go into his shell after the hit and Freo don’t fire up.

 

[Yojimbo]

If Long plays the ball he doesn’t smash into Darcy at full pace as he slows down a bit so he can pick it up. Darcy was there first and if he continues to fall on it, it’s an easy Tackle / lock-in and holding the ball decision.
Sliding Doors - Saints win because Long doesn’t go into his shell after the hit and Freo don’t fire up.

Look at the photo provided by your fellow Freo supporter directly above your post, draw a line from the eyes of all four players the
focus is the ball, only one guy loses his balance and fails to keep his feet, only one guy gets hurt. Did Jack Steele push him at all
contributing to his loss of balance his hands are very close to Sean Darcy's back.

 

[Plugger35]

There's more victim blaming in this thread than the Gaff-Brayshaw thread - and that's saying something!

I watched the video in the OP a few times

There is no way Long is protecting the ball zone for a teammate - there is no teammate nearby - he was the closest to the ball by a long shot. The closest teammate was Jack Steele - and he was behind both Long AND Darcy. Plus Steel gives a slight nudge to Darcy, which doesn't help the bump by Long

Long was protecting the ball zone so he could pick the ball up himself and he may have done that if the ball wasn't knocked clear after he bumped Darcy.

If Long had gone in head first to try and get the ball like Darcy did there may have been a clash of heads and they both may have been concussed, Long did the right thing in protecting himself and Darcy didn't but now Long is the one paying the price with a 3 week suspension.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Victim blaming in this thread is amazing.

That depends on what outcome you actually want.

Do you actually want less people being hit in the head?

THAT should be the aim.

The AFL has basically taken violence out of the game. But hits still happen because it’s a contact sport.

If we want it to be a contact sport, the next step simply has to be revolutionising player approach to protect their heads. It will have a huge impact.

It was interesting to hear Dylan Shiel talk about how he’s done a shitload of work to modify his game as a result of the clash with Cotchin in 2017.

Cotchin hit him in the head and would have been suspended were it not GF week.

Regardless, is Shiel taking responsibility for his part in the clash “victim blaming”? Of course not. He doesn’t want to suffer concussion again so he did the work to change his technique.

That needs to be a focus now that violence is gone.

 

[Purple Suit]

That depends on what outcome you actually want.

Do you actually want less people being hit in the head?

THAT should be the aim.

The AFL has basically taken violence out of the game. But hits still happen because it’s a contact sport.

If we want it to be a contact sport, the next step simply has to be revolutionising player approach to protect their heads. It will have a huge impact.

It was interesting to hear Dylan Shiel talk about how he’s done a shitload of work to modify his game as a result of the clash with Cotchin in 2017.

Cotchin hit him in the head and would have been suspended were it not GF week.

Regardless, is Shiel taking responsibility for his part in the clash “victim blaming”? Of course not. He doesn’t want to suffer concussion again so he did the work to change his technique.

That needs to be a focus now that violence is gone.

Yep, Shiel learnt a lot alright. Be the player doing the bump, not on the receiving end. Cotchin should have gotten 2 weeks, that was a disgraceful decision considering he'd also done multiple dirty things during the year with no penalty.

If a player gets hurt and the offender gets three weeks, it's safe to say that it is 100% the fault of the offender. Sure, teach players to go in different but every contest has extra factors and players are human and make mistakes. Normalise blaming the offender and supporting the victim, it's a better outcome for society.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Darcy should of got 4 weeks
2 for putting his head over the ball
1 because his technique was poor
1 because his 20 kg heavier then long

 

[Purple Suit]

Long was protecting the ball zone so he could pick the ball up himself and he may have done that if the ball wasn't knocked clear after he bumped Darcy.

If Long had gone in head first to try and get the ball like Darcy did there may have been a clash of heads and they both may have been concussed, Long did the right thing in protecting himself and Darcy didn't but now Long is the one paying the price with a 3 week suspension.

He wasn't knocked clear, he continued past Darcy in a straight line, the opposite way to where the ball is going. Didn't get near it because he's going at 25km per hour when he hits Darcy.

Look at the photo provided by your fellow Freo supporter directly above your post, draw a line from the eyes of all four players the
focus is the ball, only one guy loses his balance and fails to keep his feet, only one guy gets hurt. Did Jack Steele push him at all
contributing to his loss of balance his hands are very close to Sean Darcy's back.

That is a still photo as he turns his head to bracing for impact. He's running so fast he knows it's going to be hard so full turns his body/head to protect himself while causing maximum damage. Watch real time and other angles. He's not looking at the ball or going for it.

The Saints didn't even contest the charge, they just asked for 3 weeks because he was guilty.

 

[citizen-erased]

If Darcy stayed on his feet it would be a whole different story.
If Heeney was concussed it would be a whole different story.
The result should be meaningless, but the have chosen a terrible path.

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Sometimes the result is meaningless though
Shiel put Taylor off the ground for 90 seconds. No concussion. No Fracture. 2 weeks

It's the tribunal. Look for consistency and rationale in their outcomes is like trying to find a unicorn at the end of a rainbow in neverland.
Best of luck to you

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Long was protecting the ball zone so he could pick the ball up himself and he may have done that if the ball wasn't knocked clear after he bumped Darcy.

If Long had gone in head first to try and get the ball like Darcy did there may have been a clash of heads and they both may have been concussed, Long did the right thing in protecting himself and Darcy didn't but now Long is the one paying the price with a 3 week suspension.

If Long had gone head first then yes, there may have been a clash of heads - but at least he would have actually attempted to get the ball - as opposed to going the man

If you watch it again, he then clearly pushes Serong clear in the back after Serong takes possesion. So playing fair obviously isn't in his repertoire. Maybe a few weeks off will give him some much needed thinking time

 

[theyellowsash]

What the hell are you craping on about ? The AFL argued for a 3 week penalty, nothing to do with St Kilda or their lawyer ?

He was never going to cop a big whack in a shortened season, 3 weeks is a perfectly adequate penalty.

Beats me what has gotten you all riled up about this ?

if the afl were arguing for 3 weeks, then why did they take it to the tribunal when the formula system was already giving it 3 weeks?

try to use the logical part of you brain. it helps.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Darcy named to play on the weekend, Long gets 3 weeks because of outcome.

 

[masai]

Darcy named to play on the weekend, Long gets 3 weeks because of outcome.

If my memory is right, Nyhuis got 3 or 4 weeks for a “rough” tackle, causing concussion, on Grey from Port Adelaide.

Guess what, Grey played next week.

I hate to say it around the MRP / Tribunal, but a precedent has been set, as above anecdote.