Ben Rutten

[Southerntakeover]

First of all you have to look at who played FB in those games Rutten was missing. I believe it was McGregor. He is not a ready made relacement at FB, playing on the games best forwards. That's why, you got butchered!

If you stuck a player with adequate experience playing FB in Adelaide's system they would have success.

I never said you played well defensively, I said your gameplan is an immensely defensive one.

Rutten suits Adelaide's scheme well, because he is a big, strong body who can occupy a large amount of space, making him hard to get around. With Adelaide playing the way they do, forwards never have much room to menouvre, and the small pockets they do find are easy for Rutten to fill. Unlike a lot of other defenders Rutten can get away bad positioning or making mistakes because his opponents struggle to find room to expose him because Adelaide's defensive gameplan is so tight.

Rutten is a good player but I think he's overrated. You have to take into account my points because it explains why Rutten hasn't been even considered for AA the last two years ahead of Glass and Scarlett.

2005 was a farytale story for him, bursting on to the scene out of nowhere, but the football world have awoken to him since.

You really know nothing.

McGregor isnt a ready made key defender? Hes played entire seasons for us as a key backman. He is exactly what you are suggesting, a player with experience within the system.

He also has a large strong body.

Those two points are rubbish. If thats all there is to it, McGregor, Bock and the rest would have succeeded in Trucks absence. They didnt, because you cannot place the credit entirely the game plan, like you would like to. Do you make similiar allowances for the other fullbacks? Is Glass overrated because hes played behind the best midfield since Brisbanes fab four?

Im sure the rest of the football world has figured him out. Thats why hes conceeding bags of goals every week. Oh wait... hes not.

 

[ALM_30]

You really know nothing.

McGregor isnt a ready made key defender? Hes played entire seasons for us as a key backman. He is exactly what you are suggesting, a player with experience within the system.

He also has a large strong body.

Those two points are rubbish. If thats all there is to it, McGregor, Bock and the rest would have succeeded in Trucks absence. They didnt, because you cannot place the credit entirely the game plan, like you would like to. Do you make similiar allowances for the other fullbacks? Is Glass overrated because hes played behind the best midfield since Brisbanes fab four?

Im sure the rest of the football world has figured him out. Thats why hes conceeding bags of goals every week. Oh wait... hes not.

If you believe McGregor is a ready made AFL full back and that he is the body that Rutten is, with the same attributes for playing on the last line in Adelaide's scheme then that's your opinion and it's no doubt an intriguing one.

And no, Glass and Scarlett are superstar fullbacks. Rutten isn't.

 

[ALM_30]

Rutten suits Adelaide's scheme well, because he is a big, strong body who can occupy a large amount of space, making him hard to get around. With Adelaide playing the way they do, forwards never have much room to menouvre, and the small pockets they do find are easy for Rutten to fill. Unlike a lot of other defenders Rutten can get away bad positioning or making mistakes because his opponents struggle to find room to expose him because Adelaide's defensive gameplan is so tight.

Like Mal Michael at Brisbane during their wonder years, where is he now?

 

[SA Blues 75]

Living in SA has to be the worst thing when it comes to AFL. All the papers crap on about is how good the crows are .... when in fact they are loosers. Every year they will win the premiership and carry on. Their players wives have public spats and hate each other with a passion so much that certain players where told last year to pull their heads in before they got the arse.

They have soo much money and facilities and have a shit coach who has been shown up that he is 1 dimensional. They have lost their best player in ROO and players have left because of the coach ..... they delist players who are playing well (ben hart, jason torney) and pick crap players who never play games for them.

They have NO guts to trade for decent players and make the AFL system work for them. Until they have a good hard look at themselves they will be the same mediocre side year in year out.

Ben rutten is a gun and if he was ready to walk should leave now and come to club that has history and is returning to an AFL powerhouse under the tuteledge of Pratt/Swann/Icke and company.

We have a good group of young players who in 3 years once their bodies mature will be making finals and should be contenders if all things being equal.

BLUES go for the best available player ... there are plenty of ex-pat SA boys at Carlton, Adam Hartlett and Jordan Russell are both ex Westies boy
like rutten.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

Just imagine this next year:

B: Jamison, Rutten, Thornton
HB: Scotland, O'hailpin, Hadley
C: Simpson, Carrazzo, Walker
HF: Houlihan, Waite, Murphy
F: Betts, Fevola, Fisher
R: Cloke, Judd, Stevens

INT: Gibbs, Hampson, Bentick, Bower

EMG: Kreuzer, Jackson, Blackwell

This side with a year or 2 more experience is a premiership side... Lets hope we get Rutten

You guys are insane. He's not leaving the Crows!!

 

[s34550]

even with rutten that backline looks like crap.

ps- i would think kruzer would be in ur side b4 hampson



thorton= most overrated player in the afl, hawks fans should be extreamly happen they didnt get him
rutten= good player but adelaides congested style of play makes him look better than he is
jamieson=skinny untried unco kid
scotland= brainless meathead he wins the ball then turns it gives it away again with poor disposel
hadley= ticking time bomb, ppl who have done there knee twice are a limited time proposition b4 it goes again
o'hailpin= a player who wouldnt be in the team if it wasnt 4 his enthusiasim, which is why he is the only carlton defender i rate

 

[earlsta]

lol piss poor backline that is... ... rofl...knee reco x2 player running the ball out of defence...

Your side will still be a mess next year...not even Judd can change that.

 

[Blue Dimension]

even with rutten that backline looks like crap.

ps- i would think kruzer would be in ur side b4 hampson



thorton= most overrated player in the afl, hawks fans should be extreamly happen they didnt get him
rutten= good player but adelaides congested style of play makes him look better than he is
jamieson=skinny untried unco kid
scotland= brainless meathead he wins the ball then turns it gives it away again with poor disposel
hadley= ticking time bomb, ppl who have done there knee twice are a limited time proposition b4 it goes again
o'hailpin= a player who wouldnt be in the team if it wasnt 4 his enthusiasim, which is why he is the only carlton defender i rate

You're an absoloute d***head.

Look in your own backline. Thornton overrated? Who's had more goals kicked on them over the past two years - Thornton or Harris? Yep take a look at the stats - it might amaze you.

Considering the ball has been pumped into our backline consistently during that period, Thornton has done a damn fine job.

Please, you still have Hargrave on your list. Come back when you're actually a good enough team to slander ours.

lol piss poor backline that is... ... rofl...knee reco x2 player running the ball out of defence...

Your side will still be a mess next year...not even Judd can change that.

Our side a mess? This coming from a supporter of whos team consists of 30 year olds on their way out.

The slide is coming - mainly due to the ignorance of your coach who has refused to participate in the trade period over the past few years.

I'd much rather be in our position than yours.

 

[whytee]

Lol Talking about Dudds

Half Carltons team = Dudds

And Judd wanted to go to Carlton Because he wanted a wooden sppon

Still a better ratio than richmond. Can't find a Tiger in the wild anymore cos they're all embarressed by Richmond.

 

[ALM_30]

You're an absoloute d***head.

Look in your own backline. Thornton overrated? Who's had more goals kicked on them over the past two years - Thornton or Harris? Yep take a look at the stats - it might amaze you.

Considering the ball has been pumped into our backline consistently during that period, Thornton has done a damn fine job.

Please, you still have Hargrave on your list. Come back when you're actually a good enough team to slander ours.



Our side a mess? This coming from a supporter of whos team consists of 30 year olds on their way out.

The slide is coming - mainly due to the ignorance of your coach who has refused to participate in the trade period over the past few years.

I'd much rather be in our position than yours.

If you can actually provide the statistics for the fact that Harris has conceded more goals than Thornton over the last 2 years without honestly making it up, then I might take your point as legitimate and meritable.

Until then...

I do agree the Blues are in a better position than the Bulldogs, long term. Definetely not right now however.

 

[Blue Dimension]

If you can actually provide the statistics for the fact that Harris has conceded more goals than Thornton over the last 2 years without honestly making it up, then I might take your point as legitimate and meritable.

Until then...

I do agree the Blues are in a better position than the Bulldogs, long term. Definitely not right now however.

I never said that they weren't in a good position in the long term - in fact i do indeed like the Western Bulldogs. What i alluded to however, was that he has no right to come on this board and attack and pick apart our team when his didn't exactly achieve much this year either.

Harris as a full back conceded the most goals than any other player in the competition last year - that was even when the Bulldogs were playing good football.

Like i said, he should look in his own backyard.

 

[Butera]

even with rutten that backline looks like crap.
scotland= brainless meathead he wins the ball then turns it gives it away again with poor disposel

Ether your on drugs or you dont watch much footy, heath has awsome disposal, left foot and right foot and nearly always 100%, a bloke who gets it 30 times is atleast gonna turn it over a few times, its not rocket science you barney

 

[s34550]

harris provides run out of defence and not only spoils the oppositions kicks but also marks them. you say he on average conceded the most goals per game of any fullback in the league (where are your stats) but he more than made up for it with his attaking play. WTF are you attacking Hargraves for in 2007 he averaged per game 18 touches per game, 6 marks per game and around 0-5 goals per game not bad for a backman. Plus he also had to play on forwards may above his weight and restricted them well. your calling me a d###head , wat kinda name is blue dimension ya ****ta. Oooh and as well seeing how much u love ya stats wanka here are thorntons average 15 stats per game and around 5 marks and NO goals. Your bagging hargraves our 4th or 5th defender when your supposed no1 has crapper stats than him. WTF. Look IMO you have no clue what your talking about, your a wanka and you think the carlton board is some sacred place where only blue supporters can go well your wrong again, i am alllowed to post my opinoions anywhere i want on big footy and u cant stop me so stuff you.

 

[Western Blue]

harris provides run out of defence and not only spoils the oppositions kicks but also marks them. you say he on average conceded the most goals per game of any fullback in the league (where are your stats) but he more than made up for it with his attaking play. WTF are you attacking Hargraves for in 2007 he averaged per game 18 touches per game, 6 marks per game and around 0-5 goals per game not bad for a backman. Plus he also had to play on forwards may above his weight and restricted them well. your calling me a d###head , wat kinda name is blue dimension ya ****ta. Oooh and as well seeing how much u love ya stats wanka here are thorntons average 15 stats per game and around 5 marks and NO goals. Your bagging hargraves our 4th or 5th defender when your supposed no1 has crapper stats than him. WTF. Look IMO you have no clue what your talking about, your a wanka and you think the carlton board is some sacred place where only blue supporters can go well your wrong again, i am alllowed to post my opinoions anywhere i want on big footy and u cant stop me so stuff you.

Bye Bye

 

[s34550]

wat u mean by that?

 

[Big Delut]

wat u mean by that?

It means get ready to be dealt with by a Mod.

 

[Blue Dimension]

harris provides run out of defence and not only spoils the oppositions kicks but also marks them.

Yes and no other backman in the AFL do that

you say he on average conceded the most goals per game of any fullback in the league (where are your stats) but he more than made up for it with his attaking play.

WTF are you attacking Hargraves.... Plus he also had to play on forwards may above his weight and restricted them well.

Hypocrite. What type of defender do you think Thornton is? I could easily use the same excuses for Thornton. But i'm not going to even bother.

Oooh and as well seeing how much u love ya stats wanka here are thorntons average 15 stats per game and around 5 marks and NO goals.

Firstly, how old are you five?

Secondly, you have clearly expressed your belief that Thornton is overrated, yet he has been more efficient than either of your two mentioned backman with 92% disposal efficiency from the backline. Your biased view blinds you from seeing reason.

Your bagging hargraves our 4th or 5th defender when your supposed no1 has crapper stats than him.

Ok, maybe i was being too kind, maybe you're even younger than five.

Get his name right for one, his name is Ryan Hargrave.

Secondly - he is not the Bulldogs' 5th defender. Shows how much you know about your own team.

WTF. Look IMO you have no clue what your talking about, your a wanka and you think the carlton board is some sacred place where only blue supporters can go well your wrong again, i am alllowed to post my opinoions anywhere i want on big footy and u cant stop me so stuff you.

Actually, you are quite wrong. Post your opinions all you like, but your insulting comments are nothing close to any type of constructive criticism. You have come onto this board and disgustingly ridiculed Carlton players and believe you have the right to do so. Hence why there is no respect shown for your comments.

Run along now

 

[Blue Dawn]

wat u mean by that?

That means pull your bloody head in brightspark. You have NO RIGHTS on OUR board. You can be abused but you CAN'T abuse back. Something like a servant/master relationship - sort of like Carlton and the Bulldogs. Same goes for us when visiting your board.

 

[Western Blue]

He wont understand , he doesn't appear to have both oars in the water

 

[Bee]

harris provides run out of defence and not only spoils the oppositions kicks but also marks them. you say he on average conceded the most goals per game of any fullback in the league (where are your stats) but he more than made up for it with his attaking play. WTF are you attacking Hargraves for in 2007 he averaged per game 18 touches per game, 6 marks per game and around 0-5 goals per game not bad for a backman. Plus he also had to play on forwards may above his weight and restricted them well. your calling me a d###head , wat kinda name is blue dimension ya ****ta. Oooh and as well seeing how much u love ya stats wanka here are thorntons average 15 stats per game and around 5 marks and NO goals. Your bagging hargraves our 4th or 5th defender when your supposed no1 has crapper stats than him. WTF.

Look IMO you have no clue what your talking about, your a wanka and you think the carlton board is some sacred place where only blue supporters can go well your wrong again,

It is a sacred place and unfortunately it is you who is wrong!

i am alllowed to post my opinoions anywhere i want on big footy and u cant stop me so stuff you.

No you are not. And I can stop you!

 

[s34550]

ok fine ill cop my infraction but i have a few more things to say about your comments but ill try and say it in respectfull manner.

1- you said that i was wrong to call hargraves our 4th defender. well........ 1-harris 2-williams 3-morris 4- hargraves (you cant argue with that.

2- you said that harris isnt anything special when it comes to taking marks off opposition kicks. well he was number 1 in the competition for marks off opposition kicks by a country mile.

3- since when was thornton a running backman

i'll just conclude by summing you up as best i can in a nice respectful manner. you are clearly a passionate carlton supporter who cant handle his on team being criticised. you are also a person who is looking to start fight on bigfooy because your frustrated by your life in the real world. i last thing, you should be more forgiving of opinons of a 13 year old boy which i am.

ps- personally i dont care what your opinions are about football because your opionions have no impact on any football club whatsoever.

pss- its only bigfooty at the end of the day we are all here to have to fun and talk about footy a game which we all love and we should look to have a good time whever that be positng controversial opionions or not.

 

[Blue Dawn]

ok fine ill cop my infraction but i have a few more things to say about your comments but ill try and say it in respectfull manner.

1- you said that i was wrong to call hargraves our 4th defender. well........ 1-harris 2-williams 3-morris 4- hargraves (you cant argue with that.

2- you said that harris isnt anything special when it comes to taking marks off opposition kicks. well he was number 1 in the competition for marks off opposition kicks by a country mile.

3- since when was thornton a running backman

i'll just conclude by summing you up as best i can in a nice respectful manner. you are clearly a passionate carlton supporter who cant handle his on team being criticised. you are also a person who is looking to start fight on bigfooy because your frustrated by your life in the real world. i last thing, you should be more forgiving of opinons of a 13 year old boy which i am.

ps- personally i dont care what your opinions are about football because your opionions have no impact on any football club whatsoever.

pss- its only bigfooty at the end of the day we are all here to have to fun and talk about footy a game which we all love and we should look to have a good time whever that be positng controversial opionions or not.

ps. Thornton is a running option out of defence - when he can be bothered.

 

[s34550]

thanks finally a carlton supporter who dosnt pick over everything you said

 

[PumpyChowdown]

So.....is Rutten coming to the Blues or what?

Somehow, sadly, I think not.

 

[gandaal]

So.....is Rutten coming to the Blues or what?

Somehow, sadly, I think not.

Who said he was coming to Carlton?

All we know is that he has yet to sign up with the Crows and that's all anyone knows at this point.

But its always been highly unlikely.