Toast Ben Sinclair

[Saintly Viewed]

I'm really liking the contest for back spots that Ben is causing.
Just love that we are creating real depth competition.

Just observing the key defenders we have competing:

Brown, Reid, Frost, Marsh and if at a pinch Goldsack if they all fall down

Back flanker types competing:

Williams, Ramsay, Langdon, Sinclair, Maynard, Toovey, Goldsack (again he can do a flank), Macaffer (though he could go forward) plus perhaps Crisp, Varcoe and newbies?

Let the games begin....

 

[loki04]

Had a bloody good game.

Id have him in over Toovey in the best 22.

Maynard needs more time.

Ramsey looked good and also around the top 22 now.

 

[Apex36]

Better than pumping him up as the second coming.

Random posters: Sinclair impressed me tonight. I think he could be a solid best 22 defender if he keeps up that form.

TG: Stop pumping him up as the second coming!

 

[popin]

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[10571z]

He was good lets hope he can do it in the real season. I'll have to eat some real humble pie.

 

[Lockyer24]

I like the new and improved hair Stinkers

 

[The Dawes]

I think the main knock on him at the moment is his hair.

if hair length is linked to kicking efficiency and personally i believe it is, then let it grow!

 

[mike123]

Toovey get a man bun

 

[Buckley is my hero]

He was good lets hope he can do it in the real season. I'll have to eat some real humble pie.

He and Ramsay were doing it in the real season last year. That's one of the reasons we fell away in the second half of the season when Sinclair and Ramsay were injured. Won't happen this season with the continued development of Maynard and Marsh and the depth of players like Howe and Aish, who we can move back behind the ball if need be.

 

[TheWing121]

He and Ramsay were doing it in the real season last year. That's one of the reasons we fell away in the second half of the season when Sinclair and Ramsay were injured. Won't happen this season with the continued development of Maynard and Marsh and the depth of players like Howe and Aish, who we can move back behind the ball if need be.

I also think Sinclair / Ramsay fill a different need than Maynard and others. Sinclair can play small and is quick so ideal for Betts, Walters smalls who typically towel us up. Definitely a good position to be in with demand for spots

 

[jackcass]

Do you honestly think Toovey was bad after half time?

I wouldn't say Tooves was bad, in fact had a couple of very handy passages. But on form to date this year he'll struggle to keep Ramsay and Sinclair out of the team. Competition is going to be very tight for spots when you consider Reid, Williams and Langdon all have to slot into D50.

 

[jackcass]

I've always rated Sinkers the Back man. He's a very valuable player when fit.

I rated him as a forward. People just seemed to pigeon hole the kid because he shanked a couple of shots on goal but the work he did to create those opportunities in the first place was very good. Seems to have found his niche in defence but I wouldn't rule him out on a return forward as he gains experience and confidence.

 

[jackcass]

I'm not a fan of Sinclair that's been my opinion for a while and I have every right for him to show his injury free wares this year to make me change. I have rewatched the game and rate him an even par overall.
He had some very poor defensive lapses in the first half two of which resulted in 2 goals. To his credit he had two outstanding efforts in the last quarter which each saved certain goals and was one of the few that ran out the 4 quarters. If he can offer up more of the latter rather than what he started with then he will be on his way.
What worries me to date is he doesn't always make use of his speed and maturity to advantage. Particularly when man on man or zoning he still gets caught ball watching letting his opponent get free or he arrives too late to stop a flow on disposal. He is not a natural tackler and his year on year stats show that. If he is to be a rebounder or link man then his disposal % needs to be high which I will say he gets the big thumbs up from Friday night.
Outside my 22 until he can produce that consistently rather than 2-3 times a year. Took a big step against hungry Cats and I look forward to seeing more of the same since I will always support every Pies player on the list that plays with effort and doesn't drop his head just as I will bag them when they don't.

Maturity? Yes he's 24, but with barely 50 games to his name following season after season of injuries I'd hardly call him mature, well not in a football player sense anyway.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I rated him as a forward. People just seemed to pigeon hole the kid because he shanked a couple of shots on goal but the work he did to create those opportunities in the first place was very good. Seems to have found his niche in defence but I wouldn't rule him out on a return forward as he gains experience and confidence.

I don't want someone in collingwoods forward line who can't consistently put those types of chances through. Small forwards need to make the most of their half opportunities, and Sinclair will never have the skill to do that.

Better leave him in the backline where he is well suited.

It's easier to teach a quick skilful small forward to chase than an intense chaser to be able to put it through the sticks

 

[Duggy31]

I've always liked Sinkers in defence since he towelled up Dahlhaus a couple of years ago.

Obvious best 22 for mine, Toovey, Ramsay, Maynard, Williams might be ok on the medium forwards. But imo Sinclair is our only option vs the small Rioli's of the world.

Makes sense that defending these players is not a strength of ours, seeing as we haven't had a genuine small forward since Brad Dick.


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[The Royal Sampler]

94.1% Disposal efficiency.

Plenty of intercepting marks.

And most on here can't stand him.

Bucks knows best.

Except that Bucks only trialled him down back after I called for it.

TRS knows best.

 

[mike123]

I don't want someone in collingwoods forward line who can't consistently put those types of chances through. Small forwards need to make the most of their half opportunities, and Sinclair will never have the skill to do that.

Better leave him in the backline where he is well suited.

It's easier to teach a quick skilful small forward to chase than an intense chaser to be able to put it through the sticks

I like Sinclair behind the ball for the same reason I like Varcoe behind the ball. Pace. Its much easier to use your pace and break line behind the ball then when you have to lead at the ball.

 

[jackcass]

I don't want someone in collingwoods forward line who can't consistently put those types of chances through. Small forwards need to make the most of their half opportunities, and Sinclair will never have the skill to do that.

Better leave him in the backline where he is well suited.

It's easier to teach a quick skilful small forward to chase than an intense chaser to be able to put it through the sticks

And who can say for sure that he would miss them now that he's gained a bit of confidence in his ability and belief that he belongs.

I just don't get this "player x did this so it'll never change" mentality. I remember him turning a GWS player inside out and drilling a goal from on or just outside 50 in 2014. He knows where they are.

People are committed to the view that he has poor disposal yet he goes at nearly 75% DE across his career.

People say he doesn't offer rebound yet I've seen him making some searching runs out of defence.

 

[noideaatall]

I rated him as a forward. People just seemed to pigeon hole the kid because he shanked a couple of shots on goal but the work he did to create those opportunities in the first place was very good. Seems to have found his niche in defence but I wouldn't rule him out on a return forward as he gains experience and confidence.

Liked for the bolded. Sinclair was lambasted for miskicks, which were definitely a problem, with little recognition for how well he did as a forward to get his hands on the ball. I'm happy he has put himself in line for a defence position in the 22 because he offers something we don't have in terms of pace. If he makes it, put a couple more years of experience in him plus confidence and I agree, he may be able to play forward effectively.

 

[Jelly Bean]

And who can say for sure that he would miss them now that he's gained a bit of confidence in his ability and belief that he belongs.

I just don't get this "player x did this so it'll never change" mentality. I remember him turning a GWS player inside out and drilling a goal from on or just outside 50 in 2014. He knows where they are.

People are committed to the view that he has poor disposal yet he goes at nearly 75% DE across his career.

People say he doesn't offer rebound yet I've seen him making some searching runs out of defence.

He definitely provides rebound - probably the top runner we have out of defence.

Do you think Sinclair could put one through from a pocket, curling one around the corner? I don't. Do you think he could hit fromt and centre of a forward marking pack (I do) and then get it the moment it hits the ground and snap it through on either foot (I don't). All the Ben Sinclair shots on goal I can remember are ones he has either pressured the player close to the goalsquare, got the spill, and put it through, or when he has had a running straight ahead shot from anywhere up to 50 metres. I want our small forwards to have more tricks than that.

No issue if we think he has improved, but let's see it in the VFL rather than take it at good faith. Otherwise, let's leave him in the backline where his strengths can be exploited.

 

[Mukesh]

94.1% Disposal efficiency.

Plenty of intercepting marks.

And most on here can't stand him.

Bucks knows best.

Needs some serious work on his hair style...but yeah, played hard done good...

 

[Ulahoopski]

Yes, let's disregard everything good he did last night because of one stuff up early in the game. Solid work, even by your standards.

As an earlier poster said, "Keen observers would have seen this in patches over the past two seasons,...". Some can't take focus off the negatives despite the overwhelming positives. Says something.

 

[Ulahoopski]

And who can say for sure that he would miss them now that he's gained a bit of confidence in his ability and belief that he belongs.

I just don't get this "player x did this so it'll never change" mentality. I remember him turning a GWS player inside out and drilling a goal from on or just outside 50 in 2014. He knows where they are.

People are committed to the view that he has poor disposal yet he goes at nearly 75% DE across his career.

People say he doesn't offer rebound yet I've seen him making some searching runs out of defence.

There's always a few whipping boys on here. Remember the shreds that were torn off Taylor ADams in his first year.. "He'll never improve his kicking", "His kicking is woeful and you can't change that" etc? Some people are just born critics with no foresight.

 

[Robroy22]

Liked for the bolded. Sinclair was lambasted for miskicks, which were definitely a problem, with little recognition for how well he did as a forward to get his hands on the ball. I'm happy he has put himself in line for a defence position in the 22 because he offers something we don't have in terms of pace. If he makes it, put a couple more years of experience in him plus confidence and I agree, he may be able to play forward effectively.

Didn't Leroy Jetta miss his first 17-18 shots at goal.....he turned out alright? Experience and confidence will help any player. I just hope sinkers gets a prolonged go at AFL for once. 22 straight games would see him gain so much I reckon.

 

[Scodog10]

Didn't Leroy Jetta miss his first 17-18 shots at goal.....he turned out alright? Experience and confidence will help any player. I just hope sinkers gets a prolonged go at AFL for once. 22 straight games would see him gain so much I reckon.

Not sure about Leroy, but Lewis definitely did.

On a general not I usually feel like TG cops a bum wrap, but it's very well deserved in this thread.