Benalla & District

[jaxbac#13]

I hear from a good source he is getting 450 a game. He has played all of footy at Euroa except 2 years at the bats in the 2's 2005 and 1's 2007 played 1's Euroa the other years.

Shane Clayton would be lucky to be getting that sort of coin and he played AFL,if Euroa are paying Doxey that sort of money then it will only spell desaster, the boy can play but Goorambat to Euroa for 450 a game,this would have to have set some sort of record wouldnt you think?

 

[cellar dweller]

Anyone have anything to discuss on other teams?
Getting past Longwood, would love to talk to some Doon people on them throwing there money around, or some Tatong boys talking abouttheir big 100 year celabration that seems to be slipping away from them, or even Goorambat on their new recruits (as Im told they are recruiting well). Not real interested in Swanpool!

 

[jaxbac#13]

Anyone have anything to discuss on other teams?
Getting past Longwood, would love to talk to some Doon people on them throwing there money around, or some Tatong boys talking abouttheir big 100 year celabration that seems to be slipping away from them, or even Goorambat on their new recruits (as Im told they are recruiting well). Not real interested in Swanpool!

Do you work Cellar?you seem to spend alot of time in front of the computer..

 

[cellar dweller]

Do you work Cellar?you seem to spend alot of time in front of the computer..

Self employed as I work for the gov.
Gets fairly boring working for Kev.

 

[rogerdoger]

Shane Clayton would be lucky to be getting that sort of coin and he played AFL,if Euroa are paying Doxey that sort of money then it will only spell desaster, the boy can play but Goorambat to Euroa for 450 a game,this would have to have set some sort of record wouldnt you think?

Would be very surprised if Euroa would pay out that sort of coin for Dox, but you never know.
Youve been very quiet jack and I havnt heard much out of VT.
You are still coaching??

 

[jaxbac#13]

Would be very surprised if Euroa would pay out that sort of coin for Dox, but you never know.
Youve been very quiet jack and I havnt heard much out of VT.
You are still coaching??

Yep still coaching,at this stage were looking OK lost a few gained a few but were just trying to stay under the radar at this stage, R u comin to VT for a casual kick,what do you think?

 

[John Carrot]

Self employed as I work for the gov.
Gets fairly boring working for Kev.

Explains all Plonk man! Cellar D .. I'll also retract my insinuation of your queeving as long as you publish some support for the survival of this historic league which has got nothing to do with the quality of footballers coming or leaving. I'll give you John Law from Strathbogie for North Melbourne and Dean Rice for Carlton from Longwood. And if you bitch that it happened in the 80's and 90's then queeving sounds like fishing! I'm outa here CD. The veggie man suggests you do the same!

 

[GG Rides Again]

Whats your point?
I said good players dont want to play in the B&D not the B&D dont want good players! Morris is a good player and he is leaving. Paulke is a good player is he playing for Longwood? From what Im told there may be a few more than that leaving.
Understand what Im saying GG if you want to survive (the club) and you want good players playing for you, GET OUT OF THE B&D!
You sure that you will survive?
If Im wrong let me know, Im a big boy I wont cry.

You are very consistent at contradicting yourself. Morris is a good player. Paulke has been a good player. They both signed on and played in the BDFL. And please dont follow up your arguement by saying they are both leaving as this is a common occurence at all clubs from BDFL to GV footy.

If Longwood got out of the BDFL, and say wanted to join KDFL they dont have juniors, they compete for the same players as VT and Nagambie froma local area and possibly dont have the coin to compete against the better teams in the league. The other option is a weaker league but further away and blokes coming from Melb. wont travel and havent got enough locals to compete. See the cycle?

Now tell me how do you leave the league and go to another league with the above issues. YEs I dont think BDFL will be in the same format in maybe 5 years and there may be a directive from the VCFL to actually help nuture a few clubs through hard times, start another league and bring clubs in to compete.

There is a big rumour around that KDFL may be turned into 2 divisions in a similar format to Yarra Valley league with promotion and relegation. Cpould be a possile solution.

 

[cellar dweller]

You are very consistent at contradicting yourself. Morris is a good player. Paulke has been a good player. They both signed on and played in the BDFL. And please dont follow up your arguement by saying they are both leaving as this is a common occurence at all clubs from BDFL to GV footy.

If Longwood got out of the BDFL, and say wanted to join KDFL they dont have juniors, they compete for the same players as VT and Nagambie froma local area and possibly dont have the coin to compete against the better teams in the league. The other option is a weaker league but further away and blokes coming from Melb. wont travel and havent got enough locals to compete. See the cycle?

Now tell me how do you leave the league and go to another league with the above issues. YEs I dont think BDFL will be in the same format in maybe 5 years and there may be a directive from the VCFL to actually help nuture a few clubs through hard times, start another league and bring clubs in to compete.

There is a big rumour around that KDFL may be turned into 2 divisions in a similar format to Yarra Valley league with promotion and relegation. Cpould be a possile solution.

Contradicting?? Are you sure im being contradicting and that your reading my posts corectly? You my be a stressed person and rushing through my posts and not taking in what im saying. It is human nature to see what you want to read when rushing. You may also just want an argument!

Paulke was a good player?? Am I reading more into this statement than you mean??

With Paulke and Morris the question is why are they leaving?? Though it would be a strong case to just say they are leaving, and you admit that. It is a fact that the B&D is not a strong league and with only five teams good players dont want to play in it. Good players can be persuaded into playing, some are born and bread in these towns, some come to play with mates but mostly by the power of the coin. But tell me if Im wrong,Id say a good player would choose to play in a stronger league. There fore good players dont want to play in the B&D.

Wont the KDFL consider having a team without juniors? Would it really be that bad that the KDFL 3rds have a bye during the season. For the survival of a towns football side I dont think that the fact they dont have juniors be the reason they dont exaust every option available to have a future as a football club.

You would also need to add Euroa, Avenel and Seymour to you list of towns Longwood compete with for players. But Longwood would be in a stronger position to atract these players if playing for a stronger league.

Only two options at the moment, KDFL and B&D.

You leave to anouther league with all these issues if you want to survive and not fold or merg. Do you really think that the B&D will survive. And when it does disintergrate what does Longwood do then? I would say fold or merg.

I wouldnt think the VCFL really cares and will do anything to help. Surly they would have done something a long time ago. How long has there been 5 or 6 teams in the B&D? Maybe the clubs in the B&D that havnt done anything to try and insure the survival of the league. Maybe a push years ago may have helped??

Now on contradicting, you now think playing in the KDFL is an option after saying its not. How will the KDFL devide? Strong to weak. Strong to weak wont happen and I would wouldnt think it will divide at all. Even if it does divide wont the issues of juniors, coin and players still be there. You sure your not the one contradicting??

In closing, Bonnie Doon wont hold onto its players next year after expending all their finances. Goorambat will join the O&K. Tatong and Swanpool to merg and join the O&K. Longwood, who knows?? Longwood to merg with Avenel?? Bonnie Doon to go in Yea's league if they can scape together some coin to keep players. Does make you think thats what Bonnie Doons doing, build a strong team and club, win the flag, and leave the B&D. Seems Goorambat been doing it for a couple of years now!

Every way you look at it boy's its not looking good for the B&D, not bagging just fact!!

I spose the VCFL could step in and revise the whole structure of leagues and throw life lines to these clubs. But didnt they try that years ago????

 

[cellar dweller]

Now whys Andersons brother going to Bonnie Doon and not to play with his brother in Tatong??
Seems odd.

 

[cellar dweller]

Explains all Plonk man! Cellar D .. I'll also retract my insinuation of your queeving as long as you publish some support for the survival of this historic league which has got nothing to do with the quality of footballers coming or leaving. I'll give you John Law from Strathbogie for North Melbourne and Dean Rice for Carlton from Longwood. And if you bitch that it happened in the 80's and 90's then queeving sounds like fishing! I'm outa here CD. The veggie man suggests you do the same!

Hey veggie man how are things in the garden? Hope the snails and slugs are treating you well.
Now isnt John Law the man with the golden microphone, I never knew he played for the mighty kangas (thats just a joke). Also didnt Dean Rice play more games for St Kilda?
Now the B&D. Survival is a question of how long the teams who play in want to keep playing each other. Recruiting players to play in this league will always be a problem as Im sure it is for may other clubs in the country but the reputation of this league is an added issue to contend with. Playing 4 times before finals is too much and a 12 game season may be too short (with playing 3 times still an issue). Every player who wants to play football needs a place to play, even the ones who dont want the hard training and the long seasons and the B&D might be the league for these players. But is this the caulture you want to build in your club? Id say get a good coach with a good work ethic, start building a team of quality blokes and have everyone involved in acheiving a future goal.

 

[GG Rides Again]

Paulke was a good player?? Am I reading more into this statement than you mean??

With Paulke and Morris the question is why are they leaving??

Morris is a builder in Nagambie and probably wants some local work and smarter for business. I am told Paulke has bought a business and he is likely working on weekends.

One minute you make a general statement good players dont play in the BDFL, and then you agree the players are good players. Boonie Doon has picked up a terriffic player in Chris Dunne and I would strongly suggest he is a "good player". It looks like he wants to play in the BDFL. How do you argue this point after your previous posts?

 

[Doona2]

One minute you make a general statement good players dont play in the BDFL, and then you agree the players are good players. Boonie Doon has picked up a terriffic player in Chris Dunne and I would strongly suggest he is a "good player". It looks like he wants to play in the BDFL. How do you argue this point after your previous posts?

Chris' brother in law is the coach of Bonnie Doon I think and Im pretty sure he'll have the capacity to earn double what we could afford at Broadford - either way I agree with ya GG a fantastic pick up for your comp

 

[splasher]

Now whys Andersons brother going to Bonnie Doon and not to play with his brother in Tatong??
Seems odd.

They are very itinerant and individual

 

[cellar dweller]

Paulke was a good player?? Am I reading more into this statement than you mean??

With Paulke and Morris the question is why are they leaving??

Morris is a builder in Nagambie and probably wants some local work and smarter for business. I am told Paulke has bought a business and he is likely working on weekends.

One minute you make a general statement good players dont play in the BDFL, and then you agree the players are good players. Boonie Doon has picked up a terriffic player in Chris Dunne and I would strongly suggest he is a "good player". It looks like he wants to play in the BDFL. How do you argue this point after your previous posts?

Chris' brother in law is the coach of Bonnie Doon I think and Im pretty sure he'll have the capacity to earn double what we could afford at Broadford - either way I agree with ya GG a fantastic pick up for your comp

Never said "good players dont play in the BDFL" thanks Gobly Guts. Like Ive said in the past, dont rush when you read as you see what you want to see not what is really there.
And Gobly Guts why are you bothering to put forward an argument with a "probably"? Surley your not saying Im wrong just because you have an opinion on the matter and not facts.
Nice call on Paulke though (if it is true), may have be interesting if he plays football or puts in a clearance though. Again I notice the "likley", hope thats not anouther opinion.
Ok, this is my argument on Chris Dunne. If he wanted to play in the B&D, why does his brother in law have to pay out double the coin a HDFL side can afford to pay him? Sounds to me its a fair bit of coin as Doona will agree how good he is, and im sure they would have offered a bit to keep him. So in fact Chriss Dunne strengthens my argument. Good players dont want to play in the B&D, so there fore B&D clubs have to pay out more coin to get them. Dont get me wrong Gobly Guts im not saying good players dont play in the B&D, just that they dont want to, but they will under exceptional circumstances ie money freinds and home.
You can sometimes talk people into doing what they dont really want to do you know!

 

[Doona2]

Ok, this is my argument on Chris Dunne. If he wanted to play in the B&D, why does his brother in law have to pay out double the coin a HDFL side can afford to pay him? Sounds to me its a fair bit of coin as Doona will agree how good he is, and im sure they would have offered a bit to keep him. So in fact Chriss Dunne strengthens my argument. Good players dont want to play in the B&D, so there fore B&D clubs have to pay out more coin to get them.

I dont blame any players these days, football clubs determine what a bloke is worth to their organisation. Every season you hear of blokes getting over the odds but good on them if they can get it. As long as players are seen to earn whatever it is they get then who can complain - be it on the training track, match day, over the bar, supporting raffles, helping the kids etc etc

 

[GG Rides Again]

Never said "good players dont play in the BDFL" thanks Gobly Guts.

You stated this 20th February 10.34 am " Good players dont want to play in the BDFL" Within 2 days and 2 hours you are now suggesting you didnt post it. Can you now see a pattern. I understand your not a smart man, good looking or with a fully functional brain but Jesus admit you posted this tripe instead of stating you didnt. You must be on workers compo as your short term memory is s house.
In regards to Chris Dunne its no secret Broadford arent paying out big dollars so double may be $100-150 a game to $200- $300 a game. If the club has money and the player wants it, the option is open for them to pursue it. Better palyers to a league no matter the standard are paid a premium. I can give you instances of GV to KDFL and HDFL which would double the players income.

Your next post will keep me amused as you will try to now tell us I am wrong. I do admit when I get it wrong but you cant back peddle any further. I am over this arguement and wont respond to any more puss from you.

 

[Doona2]

In regards to Chris Dunne its no secret Broadford arent paying out big dollars so double may be $100-150 a game to $200- $300 a game. If the club has money and the player wants it, the option is open for them to pursue it. Better palyers to a league no matter the standard are paid a premium. I can give you instances of GV to KDFL and HDFL which would double the players income.
.

I dont think so Tim

 

[rogerdoger]

They are very itinerant and individual

Hey GG, he means that they move around a bit. They dont stay in the same place for long. Also the dont really do things together even though the are brothers. Thats why one is at Tatong and the other is at Bonnie Doon.
"I am over this arguement and wont respond to any more puss from you"
The smartest thing Ive read so far in your responces to that tool!
I must say 1 thing though. It works both ways with players leaving for money. Players also move up leagues for money rather than playing for there prefered place to play. Last year I lost the services of a few players who wanted to play for Longwood but because the money was too high for us to match (or get near) and way to good for them to pass up. Having a M. Hill and a E. Cameron would have made a bit of a difference to our result last year.

 

[rogerdoger]

I dont blame any players these days, football clubs determine what a bloke is worth to their organisation. Every season you hear of blokes getting over the odds but good on them if they can get it. As long as players are seen to earn whatever it is they get then who can complain - be it on the training track, match day, over the bar, supporting raffles, helping the kids etc etc

Would be a different world of country football if there was a crack down on cash payments by football clubs and all the money had to go throught the books. With all the money being paid by football clubs undeclared you would think the tax man may have steped in.

 

[slim18]

Would be a different world of country football if there was a crack down on cash payments by football clubs and all the money had to go throught the books. With all the money being paid by football clubs undeclared you would think the tax man may have steped in.

I he hasn't already, I'm sure there will be some doodle sitting in the tax office with nothing to do reading BF about to get a big promotion.

 

[cellar dweller]

Never said "good players dont play in the BDFL" thanks Gobly Guts.

You stated this 20th February 10.34 am " Good players dont want to play in the BDFL" Within 2 days and 2 hours you are now suggesting you didnt post it. Can you now see a pattern. I understand your not a smart man, good looking or with a fully functional brain but Jesus admit you posted this tripe instead of stating you didnt. You must be on workers compo as your short term memory is s house.
In regards to Chris Dunne its no secret Broadford arent paying out big dollars so double may be $100-150 a game to $200- $300 a game. If the club has money and the player wants it, the option is open for them to pursue it. Better palyers to a league no matter the standard are paid a premium. I can give you instances of GV to KDFL and HDFL which would double the players income.

Your next post will keep me amused as you will try to now tell us I am wrong. I do admit when I get it wrong but you cant back peddle any further. I am over this arguement and wont respond to any more puss from you.

Good Golly boy
Do you really not see that
"good players dont play in the BDFL"
and
"good players dont want to play in the BDFL"
dont mean the same thing??????????????????????????

 

[cellar dweller]

What are your thoughts on a relegation system?
Across the whole VCFL.

 

[AYJSKK123]

What are your thoughts on a relegation system?
Across the whole VCFL.

Do you mean a promotion/relegation system like the VAFA? If this was introduced to the VCFL the distances involved would make unworkable. Imagine a side based in say the Mildura region being in the same comp as say a team from Sale. Thats an 8hour drive. Different leagues also have different junior comps as well which creates more problems. Sorry CD but no chance of that succeding.

 

[GG Rides Again]

Do you mean a promotion/relegation system like the VAFA? If this was introduced to the VCFL the distances involved would make unworkable. Imagine a side based in say the Mildura region being in the same comp as say a team from Sale. Thats an 8hour drive. Different leagues also have different junior comps as well which creates more problems. Sorry CD but no chance of that succeding.

Agree. Relegation only works within leagues and divisions. The location has to suit as well. The only leagues in Vic with this system are metro based although you could argue Yarra Valley League to a point.