Besides GAblett...

[The_Eagles]

Go back to 2013 and look at all the threads from hawthorn and neutrals debating whether franklin was better in 2008 or 2013. Many neutrals thought 2013 was better. I don't. But it was easily his second best. 2011 not even in the debate.

Mate I think youre misremembering
Franklin was sometimes a decoy for Roughead that 2013 year

It is 2008
2011
2014

 

[MaddAdam]

Would need to be in North's top 8 to make League top 100
Which of the following is he ahead of?
Greig, Carey, Blight, Schimma, Dench, Archer.Cable, Anthony Stevens Krakouerx2(

Why would he need to be in North's top 8?

Are you suggesting every team gets an equal number of reps? I don't think it should work like that.

But to answer your question I'd have him ahead of Archer (easily) and Stevo too. Ahead of Phil Krakouer too .

People are amazing in their inability to recognise Harvey's greatness. The numbers he puts up every year, and has done for 20 years.

 

[EDFL follower]

Would need to be in North's top 8 to make League top 100
Which of the following is he ahead of?
Greig, Carey, Blight, Schimma, Dench, Archer.Cable, Anthony Stevens Krakouerx2(

All of them except Carey

 

[Ian Dunross]

From this era, D Swan is equal standing with Gary Ablett jnr, the stats and the influence on games are identical. Furthermore in the scheme of things GAJ wouldn't make a top 20 list of GOAT players, apart from the immortal such as Whitten Barrassi, Matthews and co, you got guys like Lockett Ablett snr, Dunstall, Bartlet, Daicos, C Grant, Carey Breton, Flower, Matera, Hawkins, Jarman, that's just a snapshot of the 80's 90's. So many great players would lay claims of being ahead of GAJ.

Worst post ever

 

[Ian Dunross]

Get most people on Bigfooty to do a list like this and names like Dunstall, Lockett, Silvagni, Williams would easily be in most lists. Probably Mew and Flower popping up in a lot too. Franklin has had about 5 seasons where he was easily the best forward in the game where the next best was in the rear view mirror somewhere. There were also about 4 others where he was in the top handful. Chances are he'll end up with as many All-Australian's as Carey and as many Colemans as Lockett or Dunstall.

He's probably only had four seasons where he was on a completely different planet to other forwards, but he's 28 and still going. People dismissing him out of hand or saying he wouldn't be close to the top 30 are just romanticising the football of their youth.

Which seasons was Franklin clearly the best fwd in the comp?

I count 08, 12, and 14.

Riewoldt for example, or Tredrea can each say the same, but rightfully they're not considered in a top 10 goat.

 

[beta_condition]

Which seasons was Franklin clearly the best fwd in the comp?

I count 08, 12, and 14.

Riewoldt for example, or Tredrea can each say the same, but rightfully they're not considered in a top 10 goat.

2011? Kicked 13 more goals than anyone else despite playing 3 less games.

2008,10,11,12,14 he had the highest goal per game average, 07 he was second, 2009 2013 and 2015 he was third, also might mention at the end of the 2013 home and away he was first but a poor finals series he slipped to equal third.

Funny enough even in Franklin's "bad years" he's still in the top 3 forwards for goal output.

 

[MaddAdam]

All of them except Carey

Keith Greig was a dual Brownlow medallist named in the AFL team of the century, and Blight won a Brownlow and kicked 100 one year. Dench very unlucky not to get the Totc gig from Silvagni. Boomer belongs in that echelon. Alongside Jimmy Krakouer too.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Ridiculous!! Scarlett was pivotal and absolutely integral to Geelong's premierships. Pavlich has yet to play in a premiership team.

Might have something to do with their respective teammates

 

[Seeds]

Mate I think youre misremembering
Franklin was sometimes a decoy for Roughead that 2013 year

It is 2008
2011
2014

Yep I meant 2014 not 2013.

 

[Seeds]

2011? Kicked 13 more goals than anyone else despite playing 3 less games.

2008,10,11,12,14 he had the highest goal per game average, 07 he was second, 2009 2013 and 2015 he was third, also might mention at the end of the 2013 home and away he was first but a poor finals series he slipped to equal third.

Funny enough even in Franklin's "bad years" he's still in the top 3 forwards for goal output.

A 70 goal a year full forward doesn't put him in the top 20 forwards of all time let alone the top 10 best players of all time. Pretty sure he also broke the record in some of those years for goals kicked from handball receives in the goal square.

 

[Demonated]

All of them except Carey

Boomer could play for another 5 years and not catch Blight IMO. When someone is clearly the better player longevity doesn't cancel it out. Blight was one of the best talents in VFL/AFL/SANFL history.

 

[The Swert]

A 70 goal a year full forward doesn't put him in the top 20 forwards of all time let alone the top 10 best players of all time. Pretty sure he also broke the record in some of those years for goals kicked from handball receives in the goal square.

You know what does put him in the top 20 forwards of all time? His consistency.

8 years in a row scoring at least 50 goals. Only Coventry (13 years), Dunstall (11) and Wade (9) were more consistent.

Not bad in an era of low scoring and high goalkicker spread.

 

[JackFlash]

So you still he think he regularly racked up 30 touches games? Or are you going to just keep ignoring that point?

What i will not ignore is the fact he was a mighty fine player from 2003 -2010 and was key to any Swans success. He was as important to the Swans as Judd was to West Coast. Goodes will be judged rather harshly due to some of the stuff from the past 5 or 6 seasons, all i can say to that is people have short memories. Let's go back to the original post. There are no other ATG players besides Gary Ablett jr since 2000.

 

[Seeds]

What i will not ignore is the fact he was a mighty fine player from 2003 -2010 and was key to any Swans success. He was as important to the Swans as Judd was to West Coast. Goodes will be judged rather harshly due to some of the stuff from the past 5 or 6 seasons, all i can say to that is people have short memories. Let's go back to the original post. There are no other ATG players besides Gary Ablett jr since 2000.

So your answer is yes you will still ignore it.

 

[Seeds]

You know what does put him in the top 20 forwards of all time? His consistency.

8 years in a row scoring at least 50 goals. Only Coventry (13 years), Dunstall (11) and Wade (9) were more consistent.

Not bad in an era of low scoring and high goalkicker spread.

he might scrape into that. This thread is about top 10 players of all time though.

 

[beta_condition]

A 70 goal a year full forward doesn't put him in the top 20 forwards of all time let alone the top 10 best players of all time. Pretty sure he also broke the record in some of those years for goals kicked from handball receives in the goal square.

All relative to the time period, it isn't a coincidence that Ablett, Lockett and Dunstall played in the same time frame.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

All of them except Carey

Harvey has been a very good player over a long period of time - but there is no way known you would rate him above Barry Cable

Cable was one of the all time greats - and his skills were out of this world - those half stab/drop kick passes - which use to go low and flat and like bullets

Cable was strong to - hed do Harvey for strength as well - in fact hes got Boomer covered in virtually every facet of the game

 

[The Swert]

he might scrape into that. This thread is about top 10 players of all time though.

Agreed. He would not be top 10 of all time.

But then Lockett, Coventry and Dunstall would only be a 50/50 chances as well.

Too many great players over too many years.
Throw a sheet over about 25 AFL Legends (with Ablett Jnr the only current player in that 25)

 

[nineteen eighty]

I think some people are seriously underestimating how good you need to be, to be top ten of all time.

Absolutely worth a re-quote.

 

[Donakebab]

All of them except Carey

So you're basically admitting you know nothing about the history of your club.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Can't believe the engine room of the 3- peaters not mentioned.
Mitchell is a freak of a player.
Unstoppable, untaggable, super effective.

He's not untaggable at all - Ling used to shut him completely out of games.

No one tries anymore, that's all.

 

[Vdubs]

He's not untaggable at all - Ling used to shut him completely out of games.

No one tries anymore, that's all.

True, but since Ling, they have a 3-peat en route to a 4-play.
And he is the engine.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

True, but since Ling, they have a 3-peat en route to a 4-play.
And he is the engine.

You'll notice I didn't say anything else about him - just pointed out that he is not untaggable.

 

[Gavin Excell]

He's not untaggable at all - Ling used to shut him completely out of games.

No one tries anymore, that's all.

Dreadful teams allegedly in the mix fail to counter him. The professionalism of these so called well coached teams is highly questionable

 

[Vdubs]

You'll notice I didn't say anything else about him - just pointed out that he is not untaggable.

Was is the operative word, if that makes sense.