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Oops my mistake lol will go and have a look and get back to you.
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Thanks mate, awesome. Actually keen to know and wanted to avoid looking it up myself whilst watching the cricket...he he
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Ok so ones that I could find are bob pratt 4.31 ron Todd 4.30 Coventry 4.25 fanning 3.95 Jack moriarty 3.89 sel Murray 3.81 Lindsay white 3.80 bill mohr 3.77 George margitich 3.56 and harry vallence 3.54.
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Awesome, thanks mate. So Soapy Vallence was a bit off the pace then.
Ron Todd clearly went alright in the company of Pratt and Coventry in terms of averages. Impressive.
Thanks again for the info.
Would love to be transported back in time and see the Bob Pratt 150 goal season. Must have been amazing to see.
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Yep that season of pratts would of been amazing to see.
Got me interested enough to look more up on Ron Todd.
Found this interesting article below:
Hec. de Lacy
The Sporting Globe, 20 April, 1940
18,000 People Greet Todd at Yarraville
Nervous At The start
Bags Only Four but Helps Vallence
"A "full house" turned up at the Yarraville ground today to pay tribute to Ron Todd, former Collingwood champion forward, who last night, in somewhat dramatic circumstances, announced that he would honor his contract with Williamstown and play today.
As late as this morning efforts were made by Collingwood well-wishers to persuade Todd not to play.
Todd received a wonderful reception when he took the field wearing No. 6 Williamstown uniform. He was very nervous and obviously upset by the events of the week.
The crowd was estimated variously at between 16,000 and 18,000 people When play started. It was a capacity crowd and there must have been 600 motor cars parked in the street outside. Special tramway buses carried the crowd, and a special tramway schedule and train were run.
At 2.25 Todd had not put in an appearance. So many hold-ups had there been in relation to his transfer to Williamstown, officials would have been pardoned had they shown some anxiety at his late arrival. But they didn't. They seemed sure he would come. It was 2.30 when he arrived.
There was great enthusiasm and excitement in the Williamstown room.
Congratulations were given and accepted on all hands. The successful transfer of football's greatest forward from a strong club like Collingwood to Association ranks was the heaviest blow struck by the Association at League prestige. In a test of strength, the Association had been successful and they were proud of it.
The moves and counter-moves of the past week would have confused a Philadelphia lawyer. Through all, the Association held a strong hand and played it fearlessly.
Although Todd today received many congratulatory messages and good wishes for his success, there were other types of messages calculated to restrain him from appearing in the Williamstown colors. Many of these failed in their purpose, for they were not shown to Todd until after the match.
The struggle for Todd began when he signed a contract to appear with the Williamstown Club for three years for a remuneration of approximately £500. The clinch the deal, £100 was paid to him.
On Friday week, a storm was brewing over the transfer, and Todd was subjected to tremendous pressure by influential friends. Very distressed and confused, he trained at Collingwood on Saturday after a long talk with Williamstown officials. There and then began a battle for his services, which ended dramatically last night, when he announced over 3DB that he would play with Williamstown.
I hold the highest appreciation of Ron Todd, first as a man and then as a footballer, and throughout the struggle which took place last week, of the week, when there was talk of injunctions and other things, I had not the slightest doubt that Todd would honor his agreement with Williamstown and play in their colors. It would have been unlike Ron to do otherwise.
TRYING WEEK
During the week of negotiation, Todd's feelings have been subjected to little respect. At times he may have become rattled, but I would take a lot of convincing that Todd had any other intention but to honor his contract with Williamstown. Although they had to play their hand and play it strongly, Williamstown officials said that throughout a trying week, Todd had acted like a gentleman.
A number of blind alleys have been traversed, but I am in a position to tell the football public that as early as Tuesday last, Todd had made his mind up that he would play with Williamstown.
He attended the Collingwood committee meeting Tuesday night to make an attempt to persuade Collingwood to clear him.
In his dealings with the Collingwood club there was nothing underhanded. From the moment he contemplated his transfer to Williamstown, he frankly discussed his intentions with them. On several occasions he frankly put his position before the Collingwood Club and asked for a clearance.
When the inside story of this, the greatest football sensation the game has known, is told in full — if it ever is told in full — Todd's steadfastness throughout trying circumstances will make the sporting public even more proud of him than they have been in the past.
I spoke to Todd before the game today, and I have never seen him looking more tired and nervous before a game. As he ran on the ground nervousness was still showing in his face. I am convinced he did not like the publicity, nor the excitement surrounding his appearance. Naturally swarthy, today his face was grey.
The game started, the ball came Todd's way and he flew nervously to misjudge the flight of it.
Some consolation came when Harry Vallence, the former Carlton forward, quickly turned the thrust into goal
First Goal Off Ground
The ball came off the ground from Williamstown half-back flank again and another nervous jump resulted in Todd missing another mark. But he turned quickly, raced into goal and booted the ball through off the ground.
Adapting himself to the quick movements of the throw-pass, he took part in spectacular exchanges down the centre of the ground, then, receiving a hand-pass, drove the ball through for Williamstown's third goal. He had a free kick within easy distance to score Williamstown's fourth goal, but unselfishly passed the ball brilliantly to Vallence, who got it.
The combination between Vallence and Todd was already working. As Vallence ran out Todd doubled back behind him and 12 goals 8 were scored by Williamstown in the first quarter. Many times Williamstown players, unused to Todd's brilliant leading did not profit from his clever position play.
Today's play is a mere suggestion of what will happen when Todd and Vallence develop their deadly forward combination with the rest of a strong Williamstown team playing round them.
Last week the Williamstown Football Club, in the course of the negotiations, were asked to accept the return of the £100 accepted by Todd at the time the contract was signed. In the event of their refusing to accept it, it was said that the £100 would be paid to the Australian Comforts Fund. This was done.
I can say that Todd will not be the loser of that £100.
Meanwhile, today at Collingwood, efforts were being made to replace Todd at full-forward in next Saturday's opening game, and it is interesting to note that Balfour, who was played there today, did so well that it can be expected he will be given the post in the opening game against South Melbourne next week.
WILL BE REPLACED
Asked his opinion on the decision of Ron Todd to play with Williamstown Mr Harry Curtis, president of the Collingwood Football Club, said today:
"Ron has made his decision, and that is where the matter stands as far as the Collingwood Club is concerned.
"We have never failed to replace champions in the past and we are confident that with our traditional style of play and team work another forward will quickly be developed, and with the assistance of his team mates should hold his own in the ranks of League forwards."
Mr Bob Rush, acting secretary of the Collingwood Club, said, "I have nothing further to add to Mr Curtis's statement. Tddd has had long enough to make up his mind and we accept his decision".
NOTES:
Although Todd kicked just four goals from centre-half forward, he helped contibute to "Soapy" Vallence’s 15 goals (at 35 years of age). Williamstown’s score of 36.20.236 was just two points short of the then record 37.16.238 kicked by Brunswick the previous year. The Globe reported gate takings of just over £300, entirely to the Yarraville club. Vallence an Tod both kicked nine goals against Brighton the following week at Williamstown, the attendance 9,000 (more than double the next highest) with gate takings of £135. Todd finished with 99 goals for the year, but in 1945 after resuming following a stint in the Air Force uring the war, he kicked 188 goals, still a record in senior football. Vallence in 1946 transferred to Brighton, where in his last game of senior football (two weeks short of his 41st birthday) he kicked 11 goals in the final round against Preston.
Found this interesting article below:
Hec. de Lacy
The Sporting Globe, 20 April, 1940
18,000 People Greet Todd at Yarraville
Nervous At The start
Bags Only Four but Helps Vallence
"A "full house" turned up at the Yarraville ground today to pay tribute to Ron Todd, former Collingwood champion forward, who last night, in somewhat dramatic circumstances, announced that he would honor his contract with Williamstown and play today.
As late as this morning efforts were made by Collingwood well-wishers to persuade Todd not to play.
Todd received a wonderful reception when he took the field wearing No. 6 Williamstown uniform. He was very nervous and obviously upset by the events of the week.
The crowd was estimated variously at between 16,000 and 18,000 people When play started. It was a capacity crowd and there must have been 600 motor cars parked in the street outside. Special tramway buses carried the crowd, and a special tramway schedule and train were run.
At 2.25 Todd had not put in an appearance. So many hold-ups had there been in relation to his transfer to Williamstown, officials would have been pardoned had they shown some anxiety at his late arrival. But they didn't. They seemed sure he would come. It was 2.30 when he arrived.
There was great enthusiasm and excitement in the Williamstown room.
Congratulations were given and accepted on all hands. The successful transfer of football's greatest forward from a strong club like Collingwood to Association ranks was the heaviest blow struck by the Association at League prestige. In a test of strength, the Association had been successful and they were proud of it.
The moves and counter-moves of the past week would have confused a Philadelphia lawyer. Through all, the Association held a strong hand and played it fearlessly.
Although Todd today received many congratulatory messages and good wishes for his success, there were other types of messages calculated to restrain him from appearing in the Williamstown colors. Many of these failed in their purpose, for they were not shown to Todd until after the match.
The struggle for Todd began when he signed a contract to appear with the Williamstown Club for three years for a remuneration of approximately £500. The clinch the deal, £100 was paid to him.
On Friday week, a storm was brewing over the transfer, and Todd was subjected to tremendous pressure by influential friends. Very distressed and confused, he trained at Collingwood on Saturday after a long talk with Williamstown officials. There and then began a battle for his services, which ended dramatically last night, when he announced over 3DB that he would play with Williamstown.
I hold the highest appreciation of Ron Todd, first as a man and then as a footballer, and throughout the struggle which took place last week, of the week, when there was talk of injunctions and other things, I had not the slightest doubt that Todd would honor his agreement with Williamstown and play in their colors. It would have been unlike Ron to do otherwise.
TRYING WEEK
During the week of negotiation, Todd's feelings have been subjected to little respect. At times he may have become rattled, but I would take a lot of convincing that Todd had any other intention but to honor his contract with Williamstown. Although they had to play their hand and play it strongly, Williamstown officials said that throughout a trying week, Todd had acted like a gentleman.
A number of blind alleys have been traversed, but I am in a position to tell the football public that as early as Tuesday last, Todd had made his mind up that he would play with Williamstown.
He attended the Collingwood committee meeting Tuesday night to make an attempt to persuade Collingwood to clear him.
In his dealings with the Collingwood club there was nothing underhanded. From the moment he contemplated his transfer to Williamstown, he frankly discussed his intentions with them. On several occasions he frankly put his position before the Collingwood Club and asked for a clearance.
When the inside story of this, the greatest football sensation the game has known, is told in full — if it ever is told in full — Todd's steadfastness throughout trying circumstances will make the sporting public even more proud of him than they have been in the past.
I spoke to Todd before the game today, and I have never seen him looking more tired and nervous before a game. As he ran on the ground nervousness was still showing in his face. I am convinced he did not like the publicity, nor the excitement surrounding his appearance. Naturally swarthy, today his face was grey.
The game started, the ball came Todd's way and he flew nervously to misjudge the flight of it.
Some consolation came when Harry Vallence, the former Carlton forward, quickly turned the thrust into goal
First Goal Off Ground
The ball came off the ground from Williamstown half-back flank again and another nervous jump resulted in Todd missing another mark. But he turned quickly, raced into goal and booted the ball through off the ground.
Adapting himself to the quick movements of the throw-pass, he took part in spectacular exchanges down the centre of the ground, then, receiving a hand-pass, drove the ball through for Williamstown's third goal. He had a free kick within easy distance to score Williamstown's fourth goal, but unselfishly passed the ball brilliantly to Vallence, who got it.
The combination between Vallence and Todd was already working. As Vallence ran out Todd doubled back behind him and 12 goals 8 were scored by Williamstown in the first quarter. Many times Williamstown players, unused to Todd's brilliant leading did not profit from his clever position play.
Today's play is a mere suggestion of what will happen when Todd and Vallence develop their deadly forward combination with the rest of a strong Williamstown team playing round them.
Last week the Williamstown Football Club, in the course of the negotiations, were asked to accept the return of the £100 accepted by Todd at the time the contract was signed. In the event of their refusing to accept it, it was said that the £100 would be paid to the Australian Comforts Fund. This was done.
I can say that Todd will not be the loser of that £100.
Meanwhile, today at Collingwood, efforts were being made to replace Todd at full-forward in next Saturday's opening game, and it is interesting to note that Balfour, who was played there today, did so well that it can be expected he will be given the post in the opening game against South Melbourne next week.
WILL BE REPLACED
Asked his opinion on the decision of Ron Todd to play with Williamstown Mr Harry Curtis, president of the Collingwood Football Club, said today:
"Ron has made his decision, and that is where the matter stands as far as the Collingwood Club is concerned.
"We have never failed to replace champions in the past and we are confident that with our traditional style of play and team work another forward will quickly be developed, and with the assistance of his team mates should hold his own in the ranks of League forwards."
Mr Bob Rush, acting secretary of the Collingwood Club, said, "I have nothing further to add to Mr Curtis's statement. Tddd has had long enough to make up his mind and we accept his decision".
NOTES:
Although Todd kicked just four goals from centre-half forward, he helped contibute to "Soapy" Vallence’s 15 goals (at 35 years of age). Williamstown’s score of 36.20.236 was just two points short of the then record 37.16.238 kicked by Brunswick the previous year. The Globe reported gate takings of just over £300, entirely to the Yarraville club. Vallence an Tod both kicked nine goals against Brighton the following week at Williamstown, the attendance 9,000 (more than double the next highest) with gate takings of £135. Todd finished with 99 goals for the year, but in 1945 after resuming following a stint in the Air Force uring the war, he kicked 188 goals, still a record in senior football. Vallence in 1946 transferred to Brighton, where in his last game of senior football (two weeks short of his 41st birthday) he kicked 11 goals in the final round against Preston.
Tony Lockett 1991 season in goals.
Missed first six rounds.
Then 12 goals first game back. he he
12, 10 , 12, 4, 7, 5 , 8, 5, 8 ,5 , 2, 5, 1 , 13, 10, 11 and 9
127 goals in 17 games
Missed first six rounds.
Then 12 goals first game back. he he
12, 10 , 12, 4, 7, 5 , 8, 5, 8 ,5 , 2, 5, 1 , 13, 10, 11 and 9
127 goals in 17 games
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Who knows really, Hogan is a machine and I think he will go down as one of the greats same as Cameron.
Hodge would be up there as well.
Hodge would be up there as well.
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Since I didn't want the thread turning into a shit-fight by knob end posters arguing why i didn't include their club's love child.
I cannot comment on players I never saw. Maybe I should have said best players of the best 30 - 40 years.
Stats aren't subjective. You said he regularly racked up big stat games as a midfielder. You are wrong. Nothing subjective about it.Ok, revised, Adam Goodes was an over rated hack?...Perhaps he should hand back those Brownlows he didn't deserve and apologise to Max Rooke for causing him so much distress? It's all subjective isn't it? Some people say Carey is the best ever and KB will tell you he wasn't as good as Royce Hart! IMO only Gary Ablett jr is a top 10 ATG since 2000....then you will have others screaming out loud "what about Judd"?
Top 15 years more like it.
Forwards/mids are better players then defenders.
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I'm not sure why I'm dignifying this with a response but Brent Harvey is very comfortably in the top 100 players of all time.
Just needed to respond to this rubbish. Judd was a gimmie AA that year. Made the bench coz he played in the guts. Was better than Montagna that year but not suited to taking a wing. Saying he scraped in or shouldn't have been there is just a massive load of revisionist crap.
As for thread question, playing now, only GAJ looks likely at this point of entering the conversation. Fyfe potentially if he continues to raise his game. Maybe some other young guys yet to show their full potential.
Nah most people thought he was lucky to make it and there was a lot of debate before the team was announced as to if he would. The gimme stuff is rubbish and you have a poor memory if you think otherwise.
So you still he think he regularly racked up 30 touches games? Or are you going to just keep ignoring that point?I did revise it. Goodes is an over rated hack and should be stripped of all awards and name erased from all AFL records....gotcha!
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Spot on. Judd was the best player in the comp in 2011.
People also need to realise that to win a Brownlow you only need to be the best player in the games you play in, not every game of every round. Hence why Footscray, St. Kilda and Sydney have way more Brownlow winners than Carlton or Hawthorn.
Being the best player in the best team doesn't count for more than being the best in a poor one as far as the Brownlow is concerned.
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Of the AFL era probably, but no certainty. Of all time, I really don't think so - not even if you limit it to VFL/AFL players. That's not saying he hasn't been a great of his time, but top 100 of all time is a higher bar than you might think.
Depends how you are judging, if you used longevity as one of your measures, well he is top 100 but then there have been plenty of players that have had a shot at stardom over a very short period and looked fantastic for that period. Players such as Brad Pearce for Carlton when he burst on the scene he was amazing but fell away so quick. Would be an interesting thread to remember all the players like him, Gough wins an Anzac day medal but goes onto to nothing.
Tosh. Behind the three players named in the starting 18, he was the next best mid and better than Montagna who took the wing in the starting 18. People see Judd on the bench and take liberties with stupid comments like "he just scraped in" or "he shouldn't have been selected". And mostly these comments started to surface after he won the Brownlow, as a means of discrediting his medal win. Rubbish is what it is. Total rusbbish.
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Would need to be in North's top 8 to make League top 100
Which of the following is he ahead of?
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Hayes was definitely better in 2010, won the Saints B&F yet was snubbed for Judd.
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Snorting into the corn flakes...
Sorry I got nothing.. absolutely nothing...
just providing a tea break with a nice toilet stop included...
Carry on peasants or dubious persons with absolute conviction...
Sorry I got nothing.. absolutely nothing...
just providing a tea break with a nice toilet stop included...
Carry on peasants or dubious persons with absolute conviction...
