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chaelsonnen said:
No way, what a load of garbage. Care to explain how?
If Judd's 'Peak was higher' like you say. Why don't you put up the stats of Judd's 10 best games vs Ablett's 10 best games.

Judd has never had a single 40 possession game. Ablett not only would do so on a regular basis but would kick 3-4 goals to go with it.
Also, Ablett's skills were just better, does everything better than Judd. Kicks freakish goals that Judd could only dream of.

Put up the stats mate, if you think I'm wrong. Judd's best was better? Please.
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People can come up with statistics to prove anything, 40 per cent of people know that.

I have seen Gablett have 40 possession games for Gold Coast that they lost and contributed next to nothing. Likewise, I've seen him have less stats that did far more damage. So I'm not going into a stat measuring contest, they don't tell the whole story. I'll just reiterate that, in my opinion, Judd's best was better than Gablett's best, his possessions more damaging.
 
JackOutback said:
People can come up with statistics to prove anything, 40 per cent of people know that.

I have seen Gablett have 40 possession games for Gold Coast that they lost and contributed next to nothing. Likewise, I've seen him have less stats that did far more damage. So I'm not going into a stat measuring contest, they don't tell the whole story. I'll just reiterate that, in my opinion, Judd's best was better than Gablett's best, his possessions more damaging.
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Well if you don't want to use facts then what are you basing your judgements on?...if you were using your own subjective observations than it's not hard to see that prime Ablett does everything prime Judd can do but better.
Better kick. Kicks more goals. Better mark. Stronger. Gets more of the ball. Breaks tackles. More agile.
The only thing prime Judd may have a slight edge on is speed. But Ablett was pretty fast as well.
 

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chaelsonnen said:
Judd has never had a single 40 possession game. Ablett not only would do so on a regular basis but would kick 3-4 goals to go with it.
Also, Ablett's skills were just better, does everything better than Judd. Kicks freakish goals that Judd could only dream of.
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Good grief....:drunk:
 
King Cold said:
Ablett Snr never won a Brownlow and he is the undisputed greatest player of all time.
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Undisputed? I would probably rate him and Jr as the top two of my lifetime. At least of those I can recall. Probably, although on another day Carey might be number 1 or 2. I don't really recall Lethal as a player, so am not counting him in that.

But Mathews, Whitten, Bunton Jr, and a few others are definitely in the mix for all time, even Baldock. Its certainly not an undisputed title in footy. Especially given in the early days, and occasionally even until the 80s, not all the best players moved to the VFL.
 
JackOutback said:
It didn't really deserve much more. Judd is widely regarded as the second best midfielder since 2000, has two Brownlows and you're saying Dangerfield is better than he ever was? You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're way way off the mark.
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Right now yes, Dangerfield is at his peak and his peak is better than Judd ever was. Go re-read my original post you nuffy
 
JackOutback said:
Even if he has a couple of blinding seasons, he still wouldn't be ahead of Polly Farmer, Gaz Sr or Gaz Jr as the best player at his club. Do we really think there aren't seven players across 17 teams over 120 years that are better than Dangerfield? It's an utterly absurd claim.
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Yeah but Polly and senior didn't even get any afl fantasy points
 
JackOutback said:
I read your post. The question mark simply denotes bewilderment as such a silly idea. Judd's peak in 2004/05/06 (before the injury) tears Dangerfield a new arseh*le.
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Judd averaged 22 disposals, 1 goal, 3.5 tackles, 2.5 marks and 5.5 clearances in that time

Danger is averaging 31 disposals, 1 goal, 5 tackles, 5.5 marks and 6.5 clearances this year.

lol.
 
Saying Buddy could be a top 10 of all time is the same as saying Matthew Lloyd is currently a top 10 of all time. Just no IMO. Yeah footy has changed in 10-15 years but their final goal tallies will be very similar (Buddy should push past it), Lloyd had more 100+ goal seasons, both had a 13 goal game as their highest, Buddy will most likely win more Colemans; I can't see how Buddy can be that much better than a player like Lloyd who I'd get laughed at if I popped him into the conversation. Franklin is a machine but people tend to underestimate how good you really have to be to be a GOAT.

Bont is going to tear the league apart. He's like a young Judd but with more game-winning ability and more midfield grunt. He is actually that good.
Ablett is already a top 10 of all time, with Bont and Fyfe the only two could possibly challenge it; many Brownlows have to be won and their influences in games will have to be damn well known. No one in the league apart from GAJ can do it.

Bunton Snr is the GOAT. If he didn't play for a dead football club and instead played for Richmond or Essendon, he would be the undisputed best ever.
 
JackOutback said:
Fortunately, stats tell the whole story then.

Did you see Chris Judd play, because your analysis of him earlier suggests you didn't.
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Yep, and right now Dangerfield is better than Judd was at any point in his career. I'm not sure how many times I need to say it? You refute my claim without presenting anything to back up your claims.

I thought school holidays were over?
 

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NickCC said:
Yep, and right now Dangerfield is better than Judd was at any point in his career. I'm not sure how many times I need to say it? You refute my claim without presenting anything to back up your claims.

I thought school holidays were over?
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OK, here's your logic in effect;

In 2014, Tom Rockliff averaged 32 possessions, ipso facto, Rockliff over Dangerfield.
Matt Priddis has more 40 possession games than Chris Judd, therefore Priddis is better than Judd.
Dane Swan averages more disposals than Leigh Matthews, so must be better.
Stefan Martin averages more hit outs than Jim Stynes, thus must be a better ruckman.

Are you noticing a pattern? Take your head out of the stats book and watch the game.

And, oh, I haven't seen the inside of a classroom in 20 years, kid.
 
JackOutback said:
I read your post. The question mark simply denotes bewilderment as such a silly idea. Judd's peak in 2004/05/06 (before the injury) tears Dangerfield a new arseh*le.
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Dangerfield might not be better, but at the same time, there's no "tearing of a new arseh*le" going on from Judd's end, either. I'd say their best is roughly at the same level in comparison to the league around them at their respective times. I don't think one is categorically better than the other.

The answers and differences are never as extreme as some on BigFooty make out.
 
Damon_3388 said:
Dangerfield might not be better, but at the same time, there's no "tearing of a new arseh*le" going on from Judd's end, either. I'd say their best is roughly at the same level in comparison to the league around them at their respective times. I don't think one is categorically better than the other.

The answers and differences are never as extreme as some on BigFooty make out.
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Fair point, I may have over-egged it a little ;)

I still think Judd's peak is better, for a number of years, he was the standout best player in the league. Dangerfield is only now making that claim, and it's in the absence of Ablett and Fyfe.
 
JackOutback said:
Fair point, I may have over-egged it a little ;)

I still think Judd's peak is better, for a number of years, he was the standout best player in the league. Dangerfield is only now making that claim, and it's in the absence of Ablett and Fyfe.
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You have to think though, Dangefield is only 26 years old. He could potentially have another 3-5 years at or around this kind of level before he declines. That would certainly put him at the very least equal with Judd I'd think.

I don't think Ablett or Fyfe playing the full season this year would discount Dangerfield's greatness or put them categorically ahead of him either.
 
adammania9 said:
Saying Buddy could be a top 10 of all time is the same as saying Matthew Lloyd is currently a top 10 of all time. Just no IMO. Yeah footy has changed in 10-15 years but their final goal tallies will be very similar (Buddy should push past it)
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Franklin already has, kicked 6 more goals from one less game in an era where scoring and reliance on one forward is smaller than ever.
 

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chaelsonnen said:
No way, what a load of garbage. Care to explain how?
If Judd's 'Peak was higher' like you say. Why don't you put up the stats of Judd's 10 best games vs Ablett's 10 best games. (Or even his 3 best seasons v Ablett's best 3 seasons)

Judd has never had a single 40 possession game. Ablett not only would do so on a regular basis but would kick 3-4 goals to go with it.
Also, Ablett's skills were just better, does everything better than Judd. Kicks freakish goals that Judd could only dream of.

Put up the stats mate, if you think I'm wrong. Judd's best was better? Please.
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Lol. Ablett has had the better career no doubt, but Judd at West Coast was a freak and has kicked some absolute pearlers. Couldn't be further from the truth. Actually he kicked a pretty decent one at Carlton against Geelong off his left. You're either trolling or your football knowledge is quite wobbly at best.
NickCC said:
Right now yes, Dangerfield is at his peak and his peak is better than Judd ever was. Go re-read my original post you nuffy
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How memories are short.
West Coast Judd was scarily good. Best I've seen; shame it wasn't for a longer period.
Danger is a very special breed but Judd at West Coast changed the modern game.
 
t_bond_legend said:
Lol. Ablett has had the better career no doubt, but Judd at West Coast was a freak and has kicked some absolute pearlers. Couldn't be further from the truth. Actually he kicked a pretty decent one at Carlton against Geelong off his left. You're either trolling or your football knowledge is quite wobbly at best.


How memories are short.
West Coast Judd was scarily good. Best I've seen; shame it wasn't for a longer period.
Danger is a very special breed but Judd at West Coast changed the modern game.
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What on earth are you talking about dork? He kicked a decent one did he? Obviously if you can remember his one pearler that one time, he mustn't of kicked all that many.
Ablett has kicked plenty, that it's hard to remember a distinct special one because he does it so often.
Tell me who's football knowledge is wobbly? Doesn't take a genius to know Judd is far inferior to Ablett.
The reality is he is not on the same level.
 
King Cold said:
Dangerfield is well on track to becoming a top 10 player of all time, he just gets better and better with every game that he plays.
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he'll need a bit more longevity but his very best has been deserved of that achievement
 
Couldn't be arsed going through the whole thread but judging by some of the rubble being suggested in here then Simon Black needs to be in Top 10 of all time discussions. 300 games, Norm Smith and Brownlow. How many other players in the discussion can say that?
 

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