Best 22 2014

[Hartnet]

Dempsey is easily best 22. In fact his ability to break the lines is crucial to our top 4 assault. There are at least 3 players who should miss out before Dempsey.

My best 22 at this point in time would not include Daniher as we are to top heavy with Daniher, Bellchambers, Carlise and TBell. If TBell and Ryder can get back to their best then Daniher misses out. Will be a gun but he's not there yet.

Hardingham's spot is also under question with Winderlich, Chapman, Carlise and the resting ruckman we probably don;t need another marking forward but his flexibility and fitness takes a spot as the sub.

I'd include J Merret with his speed and good use of the football.

Team would look like this

FB: Fletcher Hooker Baguley
HB: Dempsey Hurley Hibberd
C: Zaha Heppell Stanton
HF: Chapman Carlisle Goddard
FF: Winderlich Ryder J Merrett
R: Tbell Watson Hocking
I/C Myers Hardingham Melksham
Sub: Gleeson

as much as i hate to say it, i agree with us being to top heavy with all of them in the side, we look so much better with a smaller forward line with class players like Chapman, Goddard, winders and the like in, the question i have though is, are we better having daniher in ahead of a natural ruckman. in some games i feel we will be better of having the one ruck, eg, against the eagles i'd take 2 ruckmen in to combat cox and naitanui but against a side like North i think were better off having daniher ahead. although i suppose it all depends on who people rate as the better forward, if there going to play Ryder forward when bellchambers is fit I'd rather have daniher in the team. Anyway, Cross that bridge when we come to it i guess

 

[hurlygurdy]

as much as i hate to say it, i agree with us being to top heavy with all of them in the side, we look so much better with a smaller forward line with class players like Chapman, Goddard, winders and the like in, the question i have though is, are we better having daniher in ahead of a natural ruckman. in some games i feel we will be better of having the one ruck, eg, against the eagles i'd take 2 ruckmen in to combat cox and naitanui but against a side like North i think were better off having daniher ahead. although i suppose it all depends on who people rate as the better forward, if there going to play Ryder forward when bellchambers is fit I'd rather have daniher in the team. Anyway, Cross that bridge when we come to it i guess

I have to take issue with the idea that jd is already a better forward than Ryder. Ryder is good for a couple of goals any time he plays a majority of a game forward. Then we all know what happens for the quarter that he does ruck! Jd cannot claim the same

 

[lamaros]

J Merrett has shown he is best 22 right now. Gleeson is probably out... Shit!

Hardi misses if Winders Chappy and the ruckmen play. JD plays.

B: Baugley Hooker Fletcher
HB: Dempsey Hurley Hibberd
C: Heppell Watson Stanton
HF: Zaha Carlisle Goddard
F: Winders Daniher Chapman
R: Ryder Myers Hocking

I: Howlett Melksham Bellchambers, S: Merrett

Depth: Gleeson, Hardi, Pears, Ambrose, Ashby, Zerrett, Jetta, Kav, Hams, Colyer, etc.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

J Merrett has shown he is best 22 right now. Gleeson is probably out... Shit!

Hardi misses if Winders Chappy and the ruckmen play. JD plays.

B: Baugley Hooker Fletcher
HB: Dempsey Hurley Hibberd
C: Heppell Watson Stanton
HF: Zaha Carlisle Goddard
F: Winders Daniher Chapman
R: Ryder Myers Hocking

I: Howlett Melksham Bellchambers, S: Merrett

Depth: Gleeson, Hardi, Pears, Ambrose, Ashby, Zerrett, Jetta, Kav, Hams, Colyer, etc.

Huge fan of Howlett so I'm glad you found a spot for him when so many others haven't. Also agree that JD should be playing whenever fit/in form. This is my favourite 22 by far.

 

[lamaros]

Huge fan of Howlett so I'm glad you found a spot for him when so many others haven't. Also agree that JD should be playing whenever fit/in form. This is my favourite 22 by far.

If anyone does miss out though, it's probably Daniher for Gleeson. Purely because the side's height.

 

[Bomberblitzer]

If anyone does miss out though, it's probably Daniher for Gleeson. Purely because the side's height.

Yeah it is a pretty tall side, but I'm not sure if you want to be taking out a tall forward and replacing them with a half-back flanker. Unless we're able to keep Watson/Goddard/Stanton up forward for long periods.

 

[lamaros]

Yeah it is a pretty tall side, but I'm not sure if you want to be taking out a tall forward and replacing them with a half-back flanker. Unless we're able to keep Watson/Goddard/Stanton up forward for long periods.

Well, Gleeson would free up Heppell and Goddard to run through mid/forward more than HB, which would then free up Watson and Zaha to go forward too.

 

[yaco55]

He just can't seem to keep up with anyone of note can he? Know that Baguley has been really good this year but every time I think I settle he gets run around by one of the quality small forwards. Not sure whether it is about supply (as is usually the case with the key defenders).

It definitely wasn't supply as Freo only took 7 marks inside forward 50. It's one of the few times, I've seen Baguley worried by a nippy small forward. He can be worried by marking small/medium forwards.

 

[Hartnet]

I have to take issue with the idea that jd is already a better forward than Ryder. Ryder is good for a couple of goals any time he plays a majority of a game forward. Then we all know what happens for the quarter that he does ruck! Jd cannot claim the same

Sorry thought I added to my post, if this was to happen. I feel in those games Ryder should ruck solo (we all know he loves solo ruck duty) and leave either bellchambers out (witch btw, won't happen a lot im guessing unless he plays crap and can't find decent form) and when fletcher or JD are rested he will come in and Carlisle will float between back and forward depending on who we play. this is of course assuming all our kkp stocks are fit and firing. Feel free to pick at or take issue at my opinion, no issue with that.


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[hurlygurdy]

Well, Gleeson would free up Heppell and Goddard to run through mid/forward more than HB, which would then free up Watson and Zaha to go forward too.

Jd needs game time and I'm sure we all aggree on that and want him as the first replacement tall option. However, he is not currently best 22 and won't be unless Tbc loses form big time, or both he and Tbc both impact games to the extent that they are undroppable. As our best tall forward Tbc picks himself, but jd does not currently demand a spot at the expense of team balance.

 

[fishardansin]

Later in the year can we give Chappy and Fletch a rest together and play this side:

Hibberd Hooker Hurley
Dempsey Carlisle Gleeson
Stanton Watson Heppell
J Merrett Daniher Ambrose
Winderlich Bellchamber Hardingham

Ryder Hocking Goddard
Melksham Myers Zaharakis
Howlett

Daniher or a ruck to be subbed out an Hardingham to play tall.

 

[eth-dog]

Why would Baguley not get a game? Look on the polls board, people are currently saying he's the second best lockdown defender in the bloody game!

 

[hurlygurdy]

Later in the year can we give Chappy and Fletch a rest together and play this side:

Hibberd Hooker Hurley
Dempsey Carlisle Gleeson
Stanton Watson Heppell
J Merrett Daniher Ambrose
Winderlich Bellchamber Hardingham

Ryder Hocking Goddard
Melksham Myers Zaharakis
Howlett

Daniher or a ruck to be subbed out an Hardingham to play tall.

Yeah, what are you on about leaving out bags?

 

[fishardansin]

Yeah, what are you on about leaving out bags?

Because Dempsey back means I'm putting Hibberd in as a lock down defender and I am cathing the Gleeson love.

 

[BrunoV]

Have no idea what I'd do when Bellchambers returns.

Think that as a rule we don't need to avoid playing with the additional tall although it may require a mix and match with Ryder/Ambrose/Goddard needing to combine forward with two of Bellchambers/Carlisle/Daniher only. I wonder if you can arrange rotations to keep the latter three from being forward for any prolonged period of time (or preferably at all).

The most important thing is for the forwards to move and for the midfielders to reward the movement rather than bombing it long just because we've got some tall players forward.

 

[eth-dog]

Have no idea what I'd do when Bellchambers returns.

Think that as a rule we don't need to avoid playing with the additional tall although it may require a mix and match with Ryder/Ambrose/Goddard needing to combine forward with two of Bellchambers/Carlisle/Daniher only. I wonder if you can arrange rotations to keep the latter three from being forward for any prolonged period of time (or preferably at all).

The most important thing is for the forwards to move and for the midfielders to reward the movement rather than bombing it long just because we've got some tall players forward.

I think the only way to bomb it is if we have Bellchambers 1-out because the only defenders I think who can compete with him in that way are Merrett, McPharlin (already played), Lonergan, Lake (won't play him until finals?), Frawley and Eric MacKenzie. And even then I'd back T-Bell to outpoint them

 

[Rancid Trogs]

Forward line seems our biggest talking point. Should be:

FF: Bellchambers - Winderlich - Chapman
HF: J.Merrett - Daniher - Zaharakis

Daniher can play the lead up role and also run back to mark inside 50 (in the Jeremy Cameron fashion). Zaharakis is better as the high half forward rather than pure mid. Bellchambers and Ryder share KPF/R duties.

This model allows our 2 best defenders to play defence (Hurley and Carlisle).

 

[Doss]

No damned way could you leave Baguley out at the moment.

 

[Zach Package]

regardless of what's said on here, Bags has never been dropped if i'm not mistaken. he's as solidly entrenched as anyone in the side at the moment.

If Dempsey comes back you'd just drop Ashby back to the 2s and play one of Gleeson/Hibberd/Baugley off a wing.

Baugley Hurley Fletcher
Dempsey Hooker Hibberd
Gleeson Watson Stanton
Goddard Daniher Zaharakis
Chapman Bellchambers Carlisle
Ryder Myers Heppell

Hocking Melksham J.Merrett Sub: Howlett

Licka/Chappy jobshare, although there's probably room for both if we don't have absolutely everyone available, which is pretty much all the time

Everyone in that side under 195 cms is capable of playing in the middle, and pretty much all of them are able to swing to play in 2-3 spots

 

[Shaneprice97]

Why would Baguley not get a game? Look on the polls board, people are currently saying he's the second best lockdown defender in the bloody game!

Who's number 1?
(Sorry for invading, my curiosity got the better of me)

 

[eth-dog]

Who's number 1?
(Sorry for invading, my curiosity got the better of me)

Nick Smith.

 

[Keystone agony]

Gleeson gets a gig over Howlett every day of the year in 2014.

Howlett misses or Merrett does. As good as Merrett has been in one or 2 games so far this year.

Or we only play 2 giants forward out of Carlisle, TBC and JoeD.

 

[Keystone agony]

Baguley would be top 10 in out B&F comfortably right now if not much higher.

 

[cAsEy_18]

Gleeson gets a gig over Howlett every day of the year in 2014.

Howlett misses or Merrett does. As good as Merrett has been in one or 2 games so far this year.

Or we only play 2 giants forward out of Carlisle, TBC and JoeD.

This imo. Whilst we would like to play all 3, 2 of them plus Winderlich is a strong mark and a lot of Goddard down there when our midfield is fully fit is plenty of marking.

Carlisle replacing Fletcher down back when he's gone is starting to make more and more sense it seems.

 

[eth-dog]

Honestly I think Zaharakis (on form) is closer to being dropped than Merrett