List Mgmt. Best 22 2015

[Marlin01]

Well I can add the players in we already have on our list but I would need a crystal ball to add players we haven't yet recruited.

It's not too hard would you like me to list them for you? It's only the ones that remain on our list.

Go for it.

 

[dajesmac]

Fair enough. Not saying I agree with dropping selwood.
But at what stage do we stop saying our midfield isn't good enough and start dropping individuals.

I mean we all agree they aren't good enough but as soon as someone says drop selwood people go into a frenzy.
Same with masten and gaff and priddis.
Collectively they aren't getting the job done so they aren't good enough but some people cry when someone mentions them individually. I just don't understand it.

How long do we put up with a midfield that isn't good enough?

Or is that too simplistic.

At least Selwood has a clear role, and that is tagging. He is also an on-field leader. I don't think it's realistic is all.

I think Priddis is bound to be phased out - possibly as early the end of 2015. I also think there is some upside to how he's playing at the moment, he has used the ball better than he has of late. In my view though we're better off if Wellingham is shouldering more of his centre square duties. As RE said, a combo in the centre of Yeo, Shuey and Wellingham could actually develop into a strong one.

Masten isn't really a true midfielder in my eyes, he plays a very outside game and specializes in delivering into the forward line. He is a role player. He's not the problem.

Gaff is a tough one as he has obvious weaknesses that hurt us, but equally our midfield lacks polish so dropping him would also hurt us. I can see him dropping down the pecking order unless he re-invents his game. Until we actually have someone to replace him though...Do we even have any other wingmen on the list? Dylan Main maybe?

We need high-level talent prospects. Sheed and Waterman seem like they will be pretty good. I still think we missed out on Acres and Robertson.

For the record too, I though LeCras looked very classy around the stoppages on the weekend. I know how good a forward he is but in the interest of strengthening a weakness I would be happy to see him in the midfield more often.

 

[Smotie]

At least Selwood has a clear role, and that is tagging. He is also an on-field leader. I don't think it's realistic is all.

I think Priddis is bound to be phased out - possibly as early the end of 2015. I also think there is some upside to how he's playing at the moment, he has used the ball better than he has of late. In my view though we're better off if Wellingham is shouldering more of his centre square duties. As RE said, a combo in the centre of Yeo, Shuey and Wellingham could actually develop into a strong one.

Masten isn't really a true midfielder in my eyes, he plays a very outside game and specializes in delivering into the forward line. He is a role player. He's not the problem.

Gaff is a tough one as he has obvious weaknesses that hurt us, but equally our midfield lacks polish so dropping him would also hurt us. I can see him dropping down the pecking order unless he re-invents his game. Until we actually have someone to replace him though...Do we even have any other wingmen on the list? Dylan Main maybe?

We need high-level talent prospects. Sheed and Waterman seem like they will be pretty good. I still think we missed out on Acres and Robertson.

For the record too, I though LeCras looked very classy around the stoppages on the weekend. I know how good a forward he is but in the interest of strengthening a weakness I would be happy to see him in the midfield more often.

This is what I mean.
Collectively the players you mentioned aren't good enough to win us games let alone a flag.
But as you go through them individually you find they are somehow not "droppable" for whatever reason.
But they aren't good enough to win us games let a lone a flag.

So hard calls have to be made because we have a team that loses and most of the players in the midfield are experienced enough to find out what they can contribute and it isn't good enough.

Are they going to change? Are they going to improve? How long before they do? How long do we wait?

I think it's been long enough.

 

[placebo]

I think Priddis is bound to be phased out - possibly as early the end of 2015.

Why wait til the end of 2015 to phase him out? What benefit overall do we get from keeping an entire other year? We deserve mediocrity if we continually fail to make tough list decisions and actually start to develop a top line midfield, which Priddis will not be apart of.

 

[dajesmac]

Why wait til the end of 2015 to phase him out? What benefit overall do we get from keeping an entire other year? We deserve mediocrity if we continually fail to make tough list decisions and actually start to develop a top line midfield, which Priddis will not be apart of.

I wasn't arguing the merits of it, merely making a prediction.

 

[placebo]

I wasn't arguing the merits of it, merely making a prediction.

Fair enough. My bad!

 

[dajesmac]

This is what I mean.
Collectively the players you mentioned aren't good enough to win us games let alone a flag.
But as you go through them individually you find they are somehow not "droppable" for whatever reason.
But they aren't good enough to win us games let a lone a flag.

So hard calls have to be made because we have a team that loses and most of the players in the midfield are experienced enough to find out what they can contribute and it isn't good enough.

Are they going to change? Are they going to improve? How long before they do? How long do we wait?

I think it's been long enough.

I don't think Masten or Gaff are undroppable. Priddis I said I wanted to be phased out. Selwood I think offers something at least as a tagger which is what keeps him in the side. We can build a premiership winning midfield with Selwood as a tagger.

 

[dajesmac]

Fair enough. My bad!

Although just on that Priddis would be the last midfielder I would drop right at this moment. He's put together a reasonable month of football when those around him have not.

I would however start giving more midfield minutes to Yeo and Wellingham at the expense of Priddis as time wears on.

 

[Smotie]

Go for it.

Bennell Emac Hurn
Shephard Brown Ellis
Gaff Wellingham Rosa
Masten McGovern Shuey
Lecras Kennedy Tunbridge

R: NN, Darling, Yeo
Int: Sinclair, Sheed, Schofield , Colledge

There you go. I would play this side or close to it for a while and see how we go.

 

[eaglesfan84]

FB: Bennell (def) Emac (def) Schofield (def)
HB: Hurn (def, mid) Brown (def) Sheppard (def)
Mid: Rosa(mid, def) Colledge (mid, fwd) Shuey (mid, fwd)
HF: Tunbridge (mid, fwd) McGovern (fwd, def) LeCras (fwd, mid)
FF: Cripps (fwd) Kennedy (fwd) Darling (fwd, mid)
Ruck: NicNat (ruck, fwd) Selwood (mid) Yeo (mid, def)

Bench: Lycett (ruck, fwd), Ellis (mid, def), Gaff (mid), Wellingham (mid, def, fwd)
EMG: Sinclair, Priddis, Masten, Sheed, Carter, Hutchings

Retired: Cox, Glass

• Shuey out on a wing rather than on the ball so he can use his pace and foot skills on the outside and hopefully avoid a hard tag (hopefully with Gaff tearing up the other wing).
• Colledge and Tunbridge brought in for Priddis and Masten to improve our inside midfield abilities.
• Selwood lucky to hold his tagging role, though Wellingham could be deployed in this role and if he succeeds more than Selwood then bring Priddis back in for Selwood to add more strength on the inside.
• Hurn, Darling and Tunbridge to rotate on the ball for size and strength.
• LeCras, Ellis and Gaff to rotate on the wings due to their good footskills and hard running.
• Rosa rotated through the backline as he has good height and is pretty solid defensively.
• With NN and Lycett able to play forward, McGov can be swung back if need be.

Masten out of the team because of his work rate, defense and lack of explosive speed, though could be brought in for Gaff if he drops off.
Priddis out of the team because of his poor disposal and lack of flexibility and speed (Likelihood of this happening though is slim, more likely is that Simmo will keep Priddis in and Tunbrdge or Colledge will be out, on the fringes).

 

[Ian Dargie]

B: Bennell Brown Schofield
HB: Hurn Mackenzie Yeo
C: Gaff Priddis Rosa
HF: Sheppard McGovern Wellingham
F: LeCras Kennedy Darling
R: Naitanui Shuey Selwood
Int: Lycett Ellis Masten Sheed

 

[Pottering]

Why is Ellis not in any of these teams ?

He's looking more like a mate of Simpson's who got him a gig here, than a genuine good pick up. His disposal isn't where it needs to be for the role he plays (essentially loose man, distributor). He did a couple of 20m chip passes to guys who were covered. If you're going to a 50/50 contest when 55m out from their goal, go to a contest 50m down the ground, not one just ahead of you. When he marked a shanked Suns kick on our 50m line he waited and waited, then kicked it 5 metres out of goal for an easy rushed behind. He was never going to make the distance, so had to either dish it off or put it to the hot spot about 15 metes out, did neither. He's not particularly quick or strong either.

 

[Shoestar]

B: Bennell Mackenzie Hurn
HB: Yeo Brown Sheppard
C: Gaff Priddis Rosa
HF: Wellingham Darling Cripps
F: McGovern Kennedy LeCras
R: Nicnatnui Shuey Selwood
I: Masten Ellis Lycett Sheed
E: Colledge Hutchings Turnbridge

 

[Ian Dargie]

B: Bennell Mackenzie Hurn
HB: Yeo Brown Sheppard
C: Gaff Priddis Rosa
HF: Wellingham Darling Cripps
F: McGovern Kennedy LeCras
R: Nicnatnui Shuey Selwood
I: Masten Ellis Lycett Sheed
E: Colledge Hutchings Turnbridge

Pretty screwed against any forward lines with three talls.

 

[Ian Dargie]

R: NN, Darling, Yeo

Turn it up.

 

[SpaceClef]

He's looking more like a mate of Simpson's who got him a gig here, than a genuine good pick up. His disposal isn't where it needs to be for the role he plays (essentially loose man, distributor). He did a couple of 20m chip passes to guys who were covered. If you're going to a 50/50 contest when 55m out from their goal, go to a contest 50m down the ground, not one just ahead of you. When he marked a shanked Suns kick on our 50m line he waited and waited, then kicked it 5 metres out of goal for an easy rushed behind. He was never going to make the distance, so had to either dish it off or put it to the hot spot about 15 metes out, did neither. He's not particularly quick or strong either.

He probably also serves as an on field translator of Simpson's gameplan.

I rate him - think you've been a bit harsh.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Pretty screwed against any forward lines with three talls.

Not really - McGovern has already shown he can push into defence.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Not really - McGovern has already shown he can push into defence.

You want to play him as a key defender?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

You want to play him as a key defender?

Few sides play 3 key defenders over 6ft 5.

I'd prefer McGovern forward of the ball - but at a pinch should a side be overly tall or we cop an injury - what's wrong with having flexibility.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I would like to think our Coach and MC have our midfield pencilled in for next year already and it reads like this

NicNat, ????????, ???????, ???????

If they don't then it is very concerning the path being taken. Enough is enough with the current mids, they have had ample chances.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Few sides play 3 key defenders over 6ft 5.

We usually play three tall defenders, don't we?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

We usually play three tall defenders, don't we?

We do.. yes

We also play 3-4 tall forwards as well.

That becomes problematic from a balance point of view.

Having someone who can swing down back when required or up forward when the ruck/key forward is resting would add great flexibility and allow us to reduce our talls and add more runners (should we ever be able to recruit any decent)

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Bennell Emac Hurn
Shephard Brown Ellis
Gaff Wellingham Rosa
Masten McGovern Shuey
Lecras Kennedy Tunbridge

R: NN, Darling, Yeo
Int: Sinclair, Sheed, Schofield , Colledge

There you go. I would play this side or close to it for a while and see how we go.

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Close, but I'd go.

Bennell Emac Hurn
Shephard Brown Ellis
Gaff Wellingham Rosa
Masten McGovern Shuey
Lecras Kennedy Tunbridge

R: NN, Darling, Yeo
Int: Sinclair/Lycett, Hutchings, Schofield , Colledge

I would play this side or close to it for a while and see how we go and monitor Sheed. If he performs well and someone in the AFL side doesn't then they get dropped and he comes in & vice versa. No guaranteed games for anyone.

 

[Ian Dargie]

We do.. yes

We also play 3-4 tall forwards as well.

That becomes problematic from a balance point of view.

Not really.

Three tall defenders to counter the fact that most forward lines have three talls. Ideally, our third tall is mobile enough to offer rebound. Then we have 2-3 tall forwards (depending on Darling's role) and two ruckmen.

That's pretty standard. Cutting one of the tall defenders and hoping to get by with a swingman leaves an obvious hole to be exploited. As soon as the other side throws a ruckman forward, we'd have to re-organise our forwardline in response.

Having someone who can swing down back when required or up forward when the ruck/key forward is resting would add great flexibility and allow us to reduce our talls and add more runners (should we ever be able to recruit any decent)

The reality is that most fowardlines would be able to stretch us if we want to go with only two tall defenders.

If you want flexibility, then you need the extra option.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Bennell Brown Schofield
Hurn Mackenzie Sheppard
Wellingham Shuey Rosa
Cripps Kennedy Gaff
Le Cras Darling McGovern
Naitanui Priddis Yeo
Sheed TBA TBA
Ellis