Strategy Best 22 2020

[barrackers]

From last night's team this is the side I hope we see towards the end of next season -

In: Cox
Out: Reid

In: T. Brown
Out: Wills

Wills had a great finish to the year and while he gives everything in his role Tyler Brown is a better longterm prospect

In: Langdon
Out: Noble

There's certainly a role for Noble I just prefer Aish, Greenwood and Maynard as our small defenders

In: Beams
Out: Mayne

Mayne has been more than a consistent role player for us over the last couple of seasons and his versatility shouldn't be dismissed and I can see him holding his position. Not 100% certain Beams walks into our best 22 next season either.

In: DeGoey
Out: C. Brown

I get why we played C. Brown this year and this out could easily be Thomas or Hoskin-Elliott. I believe the latter two are more the now option though as opposed to the future and I'd back both in provided they can get a proper pre-season.

In: Quaynor
Out: Phillips

Tough call, and one I can't see the club going with. Phillips is one our better young prospects and a hard runner. I'd just prefer others if the miracle happens and we have significantly less injuries.


B: Tom Langdon, Jordan Roughead, Jeremy Howe
HB: James Aish, Darcy Moore, Brayden Maynard
C: Isaac Quaynor, Jordan DeGoey, Scott Pendlebury
HF: Steele Sidebottom, Brody Mihocek, Dayne Beams
FF: Jamie Elliott, Mason Cox, Jaidyn Stephenson
R: Brodie Grundy, Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams

I/C: Jack Crisp, Tyler Brown, Josh Thomas, Will Hoskin-Elliott


Positional changes:

Quaynor moves like a midfielder and I'd like to utilise his pace and line breaking ability up the ground.

Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Beams we need to revitalise our midfield and start introducing the next generation - DeGoey, Crisp and T. Brown. I'd also look to give Maynard midfield minutes, however with Greenwood likely to miss most of 2020 we still need his hardness in defence.

Thomas he's played some good footy this year when released up the field, so I'd be looking to continue this rotation



On the cusp (not mentioned above):

Murphy with a decent run at it he should start competing for a spot in our backline next year

Scharenberg next in line to replace Howe and Langdon

Dunn could he displace Roughead? Good depth regardless

Madgen like Dunn he's handy ready to go backline depth

Greenwood can he return from an ACL to impact the back half of next year?

 

[spartan-magpie]

I was keen on Betts too until I heard he's has one year of a contract remaining that carries significant coin (700K). Carlton are a position were they can cover that, so it's unlikely Betts would tear up that year.

700? Wow. Yeah, I agree with you. Not for that much. 400 and the chance at a flag would be all I’m willing to offer him.

 

[LuckyLee]

From last night's team this is the side I hope we see towards the end of next season -

In: Cox
Out: Reid

In: T. Brown
Out: Wills

Wills had a great finish to the year and while he gives everything in his role Tyler Brown is a better longterm prospect

In: Langdon
Out: Noble

There's certainly a role for Noble I just prefer Aish, Greenwood and Maynard as our small defenders

In: Beams
Out: Mayne

Mayne has been more than a consistent role player for us over the last couple of seasons and his versatility shouldn't be dismissed and I can see him holding his position. Not 100% certain Beams walks into our best 22 next season either.

In: DeGoey
Out: C. Brown

I get why we played C. Brown this year and this out could easily be Thomas or Hoskin-Elliott. I believe the latter two are more the now option though as opposed to the future and I'd back both in provided they can get a proper pre-season.

In: Quaynor
Out: Phillips

Tough call, and one I can't see the club going with. Phillips is one our better young prospects and a hard runner. I'd just prefer others if the miracle happens and we have significantly less injuries.


B: Tom Langdon, Jordan Roughead, Jeremy Howe
HB: James Aish, Darcy Moore, Brayden Maynard
C: Isaac Quaynor, Jordan DeGoey, Scott Pendlebury
HF: Steele Sidebottom, Brody Mihocek, Dayne Beams
FF: Jamie Elliott, Mason Cox, Jaidyn Stephenson
R: Brodie Grundy, Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams

I/C: Jack Crisp, Tyler Brown, Josh Thomas, Will Hoskin-Elliott


Positional changes:

Quaynor moves like a midfielder and I'd like to utilise his pace and line breaking ability up the ground.

Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Beams we need to revitalise our midfield and start introducing the next generation - DeGoey, Crisp and T. Brown. I'd also look to give Maynard midfield minutes, however with Greenwood likely to miss most of 2020 we still need his hardness in defence.

Thomas he's played some good footy this year when released up the field, so I'd be looking to continue this rotation



On the cusp (not mentioned above):

Murphy with a decent run at it he should start competing for a spot in our backline next year

Scharenberg next in line to replace Howe and Langdon

Dunn could he displace Roughead? Good depth regardless

Madgen like Dunn he's handy ready to go backline depth

Greenwood can he return from an ACL to impact the back half of next year?

Excellent, well-considered post. And that refreshed line-up looks really good too - although I have doubts that Beams will ever make it back.

 

[legendstatus]

We need the likes of T Brown, Murphy, IQ, Keane, Kelly to show a point of difference next year and add 1 or 2 talented trades.


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[LuckyLee]

Its not a popular view but gee I love that your Best 22 doesn't include any of Mayne C.Brown Wills and Phillips. They are classic Collingwood - big on effort, low on raw talent. A Premiership side can manage with one or two such players but not four of them. We need more game-changing, X-factor players.

 

[jackcass]

You need at least 1 quality tall forward to win a flag. We don’t have one.

The forwards from tonight like WHE, Brown, Mihocek have taken a lot of blame, they deserve it. But the ball was never really up their end of the ground much.

Doesn’t excuse their effort but they never had much of chance. Which is the difference between an ok player and a star. Cameron kicks 2 goals from 50m near the boundary. We don’t have that.

De Goey needs to be 70% midfield. He’s our only true clearance bull.

Western Bulldogs 2016 says you don't need a star KPF to win a flag.

 

[sr36]

Western Bulldogs 2016 says you don't need a star KPF to win a flag.

And they did it without really having any star forwards in general. It's also crystal clear to me that even though we didn't, we could have very eaasily won last year without a star kpf forward.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Big issue in 2019 is that we really didn't 'uncover' any players.

Quaynor was ok, but still needs time, Callum Brown/Josh Daicos will both never make it, Sier went backwards & jury is out on Noble.

Maybe Wills as an inside mid at a stretch was some sort of find, but we'll need to unearth something/someone in the next 6 months for us to make progress.

 

[mike123]

Western Bulldogs 2016 says you don't need a star KPF to win a flag.

They didn’t have a star kpf but they had a key forward who starred.

 

[mike123]

And they did it without really having any star forwards in general. It's also crystal clear to me that even though we didn't, we could have very eaasily won last year without a star kpf forward.

I’d say Stringer probably counts as a star forward.

 

[jackcass]

And they did it without really having any star forwards in general. It's also crystal clear to me that even though we didn't, we could have very eaasily won last year without a star kpf forward.

And up until yesterday, we were still competing this year.

 

[jackcass]

They didn’t have a star kpf but they had a key forward who starred.

In the ruck. Kicked a couple of goals from memory but I can't recall any of them a time he was playing forward. The damage was done by small-medium types.

 

[sr36]

I’d say Stringer probably counts as a star forward.

True. Certainly was that year and 2019

 

[No SPIN]

Big issue in 2019 is that we really didn't 'uncover' any players.

Quaynor was ok, but still needs time, Callum Brown/Josh Daicos will both never make it, Sier went backwards & jury is out on Noble.

Maybe Wills as an inside mid at a stretch was some sort of find, but we'll need to unearth something/someone in the next 6 months for us to make progress.

To your list to make it I would add Murphy (was very good last year) Wilson ( great size and mobility just needs a preseason), Appleby ( forget GWS game). Noble - did any one expect his mid year selection to result in Prelim appearance?

 

[regpies]

Western Bulldogs 2016 says you don't need a star KPF to win a flag.

Boyd played like a star that day, Stringer was their star for the season.

We had no one star against GWS

 

[jackcass]

Boyd played like a star that day, Stringer was their star for the season.

We had no one star against GWS

Yes they did/were. Boyd played in the ruck though GF day and had his best game for the year. Stringer was relatively quiet in the GF and at 191-192cm he's hardly the atypical KPF. He's more the JDG type.

The 2 players with the potential to elevate themselves and impact the game Saturday were Cox and JDG, and they were both sitting in the stands watching on like the rest of us.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I’m a perpetual sucker for best 22s.

Obviously we haven’t seen who may come in and we know a few have left the building.

So based only on what is on our given list as it stands this might be how I’d look at it.

Some points:

1) Dayne Beams. People the guy is A grade talent, top ten on the list in talent and ability so I’d rather him chugging at half rat power with his, 2019, average 25 possessions (and he has a strong % of good ball use) than so many on our list. I’ll back him in as being fit next season and being of far greater value than any of Brown x 2, Thomas, Sier, Wills, Daicos, WHE, Phillips, Mayne, etc. the guy is A grade so he plays. With all his issues I’m a bit mystified that some of our own are most cruel towards him.
Be that as it may, he’s A grade and more A grade delivers more chance of a flag.

2) Phil I. Sier esq. I’m going to back him in with a big preseason. He’s the guy that can be a difference maker. Until he’s not on the list I’ll back him in.

3) Rupert Wills. Earned his spot. But is grunt enough. Will have to re earn I suspect. Interesting watch.

4) Mrs Brown’s boys. Callum will need a big pre season. Unsure if he’s a bit small but showed zip and his work ethic unquestionably elite. Him and his brother will be interesting watches for next season. I’d suggest neither should be locks as it stands.
Tyler could be a break out player?

5) Nathan Murphy. My break out player had so many interruptions and I’ll pin him for this next season to be the break out player. Has to earn his way in. But maybe he’s part of the changing guard. Just looks like he’s got it. But will have to show it on the field at the highest level.

6) Mathew Scharenberg. Either we just give him a big run of games and see how good he is or we look elsewhere and for him to do the same. Has so much poise and I think we need him with a big healthy preseason. Then a string of games. Let him then be the mega cool head which surely helps in finals.

7) Tom Wilson. Could he be a real gem? This is going to be a real watch. He was touted in his draft year as a real deal top 10 prospect. Obvious work ethic as was a boomer. Maybe this guy starts solving our key lacking area of key forwards.

8) Mason Cox. Will never be elite or A grade. But has elite height which means he offers mega headaches to defenders. Until someone can surpass him and he’s productive enough he’s in the 22. That simple.
We probably win Saturday if he played. That simple.
No star, average in reality but of our options he’s the best we can muster.

NB: my emergencies are the break out players we might just see emerge. Not necessarily players 23-26 but the break out types we must look for.

Collingwood

B. M Scharenberg ~ J Roughead ~ T Langdon
HB. J Crisp ~ D Moore ~ J Howe
C. S Sidebottom ~ A Treloar ~ T Phillips
HF. J Stephenson ~ J De Goey ~ D Beams
F. J Elliott ~ M Cox ~ W Hoskin-Elliott
R. B Grundy ~ S Pendlebury (c) ~ T Adams
I. B Mihocek ~ B Sier ~ C Mayne ~ B Maynard
C. N Buckley

E. N Murphy, I Quaynor, T Brown, W Kelly

Wildcard: T Wilson

(Real pick emergencies if just on known: R Wills, J Aish, C Brown, J Thomas)

 

[Leviathan Pie]

To your list to make it I would add Murphy (was very good last year) Wilson ( great size and mobility just needs a preseason), Appleby ( forget GWS game). Noble - did any one expect his mid year selection to result in Prelim appearance?

You're getting very, very stretchy - Murphy plays two games in 2018, Wilson is speculative at best, Appleby IMO has proven he's not up to it - and Noble as mentioned has a ceiling.

Long bow to draw, Spinny.

 

[No SPIN]

You're getting very, very stretchy - Murphy plays two games in 2018, Wilson is speculative at best, Appleby IMO has proven he's not up to it - and Noble as mentioned has a ceiling.

Long bow to draw, Spinny.

Check out Applebys first game highlights against Rich - it will give you perspective on his potential. As the saying goes form is temporary .....
Better judges than me have pointed out that Murphy, Wilson will make it.

Wilson is a very exciting prospect, and be a breath through player after a good preseason.

And Sier will make it - just needs to knuckle down, as per JDG

 

[Johno9911]

My changes from the weekends team (without any trade-in players/draft picks) would be:
Out: Noble
In: Langdon

Out: Reid
In: Cox

Out: Phillips (Kicking is not up to quality, especially since his contested numbers aren't great and offers little else other than distance running)
In: Scharenberg (Much better kick than Phillips, and offers more with his size and ability to drop off behind the ball and intercept)

Out: Thomas
In: De Goey

Out: Wills
In: Sier


Best 22:
Aish Roughead Howe
Crisp Moore Maynard

Grundy Adams Treloar
Scharenberg Pendlebury Sidebottom

Elliot Mihocek Hoskin-Elliot
Stephenson Cox De Goey

Langdon Sier Mayne Brown

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Check out Applebys first game highlights against Rich - it will give you perspective on his potential. As the saying goes form is temporary .....
Better judges than me have pointed out that Murphy, Wilson will make it.

Wilson is a very exciting prospect, and be a breath through player after a good preseason.

And Sier will make it - just needs to knuckle down, as per JDG

I understand, but as per my point - we have not unearthed anything at AFL level.

Murphy/Wilson are very much up in the air, Sier needs to prove he can apply himself after going backwards. And Appleby needs to impress after failing to fire in his latest outing.

I hope they do find something, as we'll need them to.

 

[sloth6]

It's the easiest way to coach against us, it's also why our record is so poor against Hawthorn.

Teams that have what I call a goal keeper (they are the always the deepest defender with no-one behind them) and then another spare behind the footy - tear us apart because our forwards all push up the ground to be no further than 80m away from the footy. We run 5 in the midfield and when we win the footy we've got no-one to f**King kick to or we are always outnumbered.

Heath Shaw and Hynes I think had a field day. Their switch from side to side killed us

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Early days but we should be demanding significant advancement from Sier Murphy T Brown Kelly Shaz Daicos Appleby and Quaynor from outside the current 22. Whether that’s enough and whether they have the ability only time will tell but without adequate bottom up development we’ll be in trouble.

Langdon Cox and Beams (?????!)back will help a little bit.

I Expect reduced output from Howe Mayne Roughead Pendlebury and Sidebottom and Greenwood ( obviously) as they get a little older so the next generation must pick up the slack.

 

[nahnah]

B: Tom Langdon - Jordan Roughead - Brayden Maynard
HB: Jeremy Howe - Darcy Moore - Jack Crisp

M: Steele Sidebottom - Taylor Adams - Tom Phillips
R: Brodie Grundy - Scott Pendlebury - Adam Treloar

HF: Will Hoskin-Elliott - Brodie Mihocek - Josh Thomas
F: Jamie Elliott - Jordan De Goey - Jayden Stephenson

I/C: Chris Mayne - Dayne Beams - Isaac Quaynor - Callum Brown

 

[Brad Goodman]

Hopefully Elliott stays both fit and at the club in 2020. Having him forward and in form allows us to play DeGoey in the middle, which he will need to do predominantly if we're to improve.