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That's a good side, but there would be limited forward pressure.
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I did forget holman, he is a coaches favourite for what he does defensively in the fwd half
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Bored why not do an updated version with the current new recruits;
ROUND 1 side; predicting Witts will be back round 1.
B: W. Powell, S. Collins, S. Lemmens
HB: O. Markov, C. Ballard, J. Bowes
C: B. Ellis, B. Fiorini, J. Sharp
HF: L. Weller, J. Lukosius, B. Ainsworth
FF: I. Rankine, B. King, N. Holman
R: J. Witts, M. Rowell, T. Miller
I: N. Anderson, M. Chol, D. Swallow, S. Flanders, E. Hollands (sub)
Emg;
R. Atkins - Full preseason who knows? i would slot him half back, quarterback type role.
S. Day - need that 3rd defender?
J. Corbett - behind Chol
A. Sexton - Flip a coin with Rankine
C. Budarick - Take it easy with knee
J. Jeffery - behind Corbett
B. Uwland - Position maybe off half back?
ROUND 1 side; predicting Witts will be back round 1.
B: W. Powell, S. Collins, S. Lemmens
HB: O. Markov, C. Ballard, J. Bowes
C: B. Ellis, B. Fiorini, J. Sharp
HF: L. Weller, J. Lukosius, B. Ainsworth
FF: I. Rankine, B. King, N. Holman
R: J. Witts, M. Rowell, T. Miller
I: N. Anderson, M. Chol, D. Swallow, S. Flanders, E. Hollands (sub)
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R. Atkins - Full preseason who knows? i would slot him half back, quarterback type role.
S. Day - need that 3rd defender?
J. Corbett - behind Chol
A. Sexton - Flip a coin with Rankine
C. Budarick - Take it easy with knee
J. Jeffery - behind Corbett
B. Uwland - Position maybe off half back?
I saw one of our posters mention concerns about the perceived lack of height in our midfield after Greenwood's departure but I'm not sure it's something we should really be concerned about. Let's compare the players Craig Cameron said would be playing in our midfield in 2022 with a consistent top 4 team over the last three years in Brisbane:
Brisbane's Top 8 Mids
Our Future Top 8 Mids (according to Craig Cameron)
Brisbane's Top 8 Mids
- Dayne Zorko - 175cm
- Lachie Neale - 178cm
- Zac Bailey - 182cm
- Jarryd Lyons - 184cm
- Mitch Robinson 184cm
- Hugh McCluggage - 185cm
- Cameron Rayner - 186cm
- Jarrod Berry - 192cm
Our Future Top 8 Mids (according to Craig Cameron)
- Touk Miller - 178cm
- Matt Rowell - 180cm
- Sam Flanders - 183cm
- Brayden Fiorini - 186cm
- Jack Bowes - 187cm
- Elijah Hollands - 189cm
- Alex Davies - 191cm
- Noah Anderson - 192cm
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If Noah is 192 I must be 199
I don't think the height is the issue. It's the experience in the middle.
You could argue that from your list only Miller, Fiorini, Bowes are ready body-wise while Fiorini and Bowes have very limited experience in the middle.
If Swallow, Miller get injuries Greenwood would be handy. In 1 year it's probably a different story. Next year is a crunch time and not having Greenwood may expose us. If I am Dew and was fighting for my career, for sure, I would like to have Greenwood available.
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He will have his moments in the middle.
Sharp in for Greenwood and rearrange
I know I joked in another thread about doing this very early, but why not?
AFL:
W.Powell - S.Collins - S.Lemmens
O.Markov - S.Day - C.Ballard
B.Ellis - M.Rowell - J.Sharp
J.Corbett - M.Chol - B.Ainsworth
I.Rankine - B.King - D.Swallow
J.Witts - T.Miller - B.Fiorini
J.Lukosius - N.Anderson - J.Bowes - L.Weller
SUB - N.Holman
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VFL:
J.Farrar - R.Thompson - C.Burgess
B.Uwland - S.Brock - C.Budarick
R.Atkins - C.Constable - E.Hollands
M.Rosas - L.Causbolt - S.Flanders
A.Sexton - M.Andrew - J.Jeffrey
N.Moyle - N.Freeman - A.Davies
J.Mclennan - R.Nicholls - M.Conroy - P.Murtagh - C.Graham - H.Oea - D.Macpherson
First of many attempts no doubt, that VFL team will do some damage, so much height though haha.
AFL:
W.Powell - S.Collins - S.Lemmens
O.Markov - S.Day - C.Ballard
B.Ellis - M.Rowell - J.Sharp
J.Corbett - M.Chol - B.Ainsworth
I.Rankine - B.King - D.Swallow
J.Witts - T.Miller - B.Fiorini
J.Lukosius - N.Anderson - J.Bowes - L.Weller
SUB - N.Holman
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VFL:
J.Farrar - R.Thompson - C.Burgess
B.Uwland - S.Brock - C.Budarick
R.Atkins - C.Constable - E.Hollands
M.Rosas - L.Causbolt - S.Flanders
A.Sexton - M.Andrew - J.Jeffrey
N.Moyle - N.Freeman - A.Davies
J.Mclennan - R.Nicholls - M.Conroy - P.Murtagh - C.Graham - H.Oea - D.Macpherson
First of many attempts no doubt, that VFL team will do some damage, so much height though haha.
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Same team as me, I have some bias to Holland’s hopefully he can crack in early
B: W. Powell, S. Collins, C. Budarick
HB: O. Markov, S. Day, C. Ballard
C: B. Ellis, B. Fiorini, L. Weller
HF: S. Flanders, M. Chol , J. Lukosius
FF: I. Rankine, B. King, N. Holman
R: J. Witts, M. Rowell, T. Miller
I: N. Anderson, D. Swallow, J. Bowes, B. Ainsworth (sub) E. Hollands
Last spot on the bench could go to about 4 blokes.
I still like the idea of squeezing Corbett into the team, he would be such an akward matchup getting the 3rd or 4th best defender instead of the 2nd like he did this year. Has to workrate not to be a defensive liability as well.
HB: O. Markov, S. Day, C. Ballard
C: B. Ellis, B. Fiorini, L. Weller
HF: S. Flanders, M. Chol , J. Lukosius
FF: I. Rankine, B. King, N. Holman
R: J. Witts, M. Rowell, T. Miller
I: N. Anderson, D. Swallow, J. Bowes, B. Ainsworth (sub) E. Hollands
Last spot on the bench could go to about 4 blokes.
I still like the idea of squeezing Corbett into the team, he would be such an akward matchup getting the 3rd or 4th best defender instead of the 2nd like he did this year. Has to workrate not to be a defensive liability as well.
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Feels great to have options.
list certainly feels a bit more balanced IMO.
AFL worthy options in each role. Plus some flexibility across these roles (ie Flanders inside mid
KPD: collins, Ballard, Thompson, brock, Graham
KPF: king, chol, Corbett, Jeffrey, casboult
Key utilities: day, burgess, Andrew’s, murtagh
Ruck: witts, moyle, Conroy
running defenders: Powell, markov, uwland, farrar, Nicholls
Lockdown smalls: lemmens, budarick, McLennan
linking half forwards: Ainsworth, lukosius, Weller, Hollands, oea
Pressure forwards: Holman, flanders, macpherson, rosas
crumbers: sexton, rankine
Inside mids: rowell, swallow, bowes, constable, Davies
Outside mids: Ellis, sharp, atkins
Balanced mids: Miller, Anderson, fiorini
if I’m being ruthless who are certainties for best 22 IMO.
- king, witts, Miller, Anderson, Ellis, lukosius, powell, lemmens, collins, Ballard.
Only these 10 are absolute certainties in my opinion.
Competition for spots up for grabs.
some questions to be answered in pre-season
1. can Sam Day play in defence
Just feeling a bit dubious that he has the strength in a marking contest to take the big guys - lynch, McKay, Hawkins, Dixon etc..
Or the lateral mobility to play on the secondary targets - cameron, Marshall, darling, membrey, himmelburg, hip wood.
I’d only feel ok with him playing on a bigger athletic type that tends to fly for marks rather than beating their opponent with strength or mobility and movement - Logan McDonald, Daniher, Wright, Bruce, Taberner, larkey, mihocek - these kind of guys.
I’m not sure his mobility is what it was when previously played there. can he move laterally??
2. can we find a balance up forward?
King, chol, Corbett, luko, Ainsworth, rankine, sexton seems potent offensively but not quite with the pressure. How to fit Holman and Flanders and who misses out.
3. what condition some of returning injured players
Witts is critically important. An acl for a 110kg 29 year old..got to take it easy.
is Thompson any chance of playing and does he still have his athleticism? Be massive if so but seems unlikely.
4. Can chol build on his promising 2021
playing as a dedicated forward with another recognised ruckman he played quite well in a few games 2021. Was quiet in others. Having him consistently fly for Marks with confidence toeither mark or create crumbs will be massive for our scoring potential if he can bring this.hopefully more maturity and experience = consistency for him.
5. Midfield set up
We know Miller, rowell, Anderson are going to spend a lot of time in there. Swallow will be given minutes too. Where dos that leave Bowes, Flanders, fiorini and where else do they play when not in the guts.
5. our new faces
super excited to see hollands andrews and brock in particular in action.
list certainly feels a bit more balanced IMO.
AFL worthy options in each role. Plus some flexibility across these roles (ie Flanders inside mid
KPD: collins, Ballard, Thompson, brock, Graham
KPF: king, chol, Corbett, Jeffrey, casboult
Key utilities: day, burgess, Andrew’s, murtagh
Ruck: witts, moyle, Conroy
running defenders: Powell, markov, uwland, farrar, Nicholls
Lockdown smalls: lemmens, budarick, McLennan
linking half forwards: Ainsworth, lukosius, Weller, Hollands, oea
Pressure forwards: Holman, flanders, macpherson, rosas
crumbers: sexton, rankine
Inside mids: rowell, swallow, bowes, constable, Davies
Outside mids: Ellis, sharp, atkins
Balanced mids: Miller, Anderson, fiorini
if I’m being ruthless who are certainties for best 22 IMO.
- king, witts, Miller, Anderson, Ellis, lukosius, powell, lemmens, collins, Ballard.
Only these 10 are absolute certainties in my opinion.
Competition for spots up for grabs.
some questions to be answered in pre-season
1. can Sam Day play in defence
Just feeling a bit dubious that he has the strength in a marking contest to take the big guys - lynch, McKay, Hawkins, Dixon etc..
Or the lateral mobility to play on the secondary targets - cameron, Marshall, darling, membrey, himmelburg, hip wood.
I’d only feel ok with him playing on a bigger athletic type that tends to fly for marks rather than beating their opponent with strength or mobility and movement - Logan McDonald, Daniher, Wright, Bruce, Taberner, larkey, mihocek - these kind of guys.
I’m not sure his mobility is what it was when previously played there. can he move laterally??
2. can we find a balance up forward?
King, chol, Corbett, luko, Ainsworth, rankine, sexton seems potent offensively but not quite with the pressure. How to fit Holman and Flanders and who misses out.
3. what condition some of returning injured players
Witts is critically important. An acl for a 110kg 29 year old..got to take it easy.
is Thompson any chance of playing and does he still have his athleticism? Be massive if so but seems unlikely.
4. Can chol build on his promising 2021
playing as a dedicated forward with another recognised ruckman he played quite well in a few games 2021. Was quiet in others. Having him consistently fly for Marks with confidence toeither mark or create crumbs will be massive for our scoring potential if he can bring this.hopefully more maturity and experience = consistency for him.
5. Midfield set up
We know Miller, rowell, Anderson are going to spend a lot of time in there. Swallow will be given minutes too. Where dos that leave Bowes, Flanders, fiorini and where else do they play when not in the guts.
5. our new faces
super excited to see hollands andrews and brock in particular in action.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. Spots are tight and depth is looking healthier than it possibly ever has. For me, King is an absolute lock as well though. Still, most of the team is up for grabs!
Also, I want the following players to “level up” (think Will Powell’s sudden leap this year) and take ownership of us winning: Ainsworth and Weller. Ainsworth does everything except kick for goals accurately (good run, good burst speed and endurance, good mark, links up for assists etc.) and Weller needs to find more of the ball to use his damaging kick or his dash to break lines. Both are close to being the players we picked them to be and need to make themselves best 22 locks.
Bowes and Fiorini are the other two, although their position is going to become hotly contested with Constable (and possibly Freeman coming into the team) so their growth is important for them as individuals, but could be replaced by other players for the team if they don’t develop how we want.
However, these 23yo+ players have to step up and support Miller, Swallow, Ellis, Collins and Witts and lead us and the young kids up the ladder.
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Yes just left Kingy out accidentally! He’s clearly the number 1 picked.
If Thompson can find his way back to being best 22 key defender then that would be massive for the structure of the team.
Imagine the damage Collins can do as an interceptor if he can be released onto the 2nd best forward and potentially venturing up to half back more often to start our rebounds.
Imagine the damage Collins can do as an interceptor if he can be released onto the 2nd best forward and potentially venturing up to half back more often to start our rebounds.
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Lachie Weller needs to get involved as often as possible and have the ball in his hands front half of the ground. A beautiful kick and threat for goal anywhere inside 55m.
Finished 253rd in average score involvements league wide last year.
Need that to be top 100 alongside guys like Karl Amon, Tarryn Thomas, Devon Smith, Jack Billings etc..
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I agree. But Casboult could be of equal value, if not more than Thompson.
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Best 22 updated
AFL
B C.Ballard S.Collins W.Powell
HB L.Weller C.Burgess J.Bowes
C B.Ellis B.Fiorini J.Sharp
HF B.Ainsworth J.Lukosious J.Corbett
F I.Rankine B.King A.Sexton
FOLL: J.Witts N.Anderson T.Miller
INTER: M.Rowell, M.Chol, O.Markov, S.Flanders
Emergencies
D.Swallow, S.Lemmens, A.Davies, C.Budarick, J.Jeffery, E.Hollands, N.Holman,
M.Rosas, C.Graham, J.Farrar, N.Moyle, M.Andrew, L.Casboult, D.McPherson
AFL
B C.Ballard S.Collins W.Powell
HB L.Weller C.Burgess J.Bowes
C B.Ellis B.Fiorini J.Sharp
HF B.Ainsworth J.Lukosious J.Corbett
F I.Rankine B.King A.Sexton
FOLL: J.Witts N.Anderson T.Miller
INTER: M.Rowell, M.Chol, O.Markov, S.Flanders
Emergencies
D.Swallow, S.Lemmens, A.Davies, C.Budarick, J.Jeffery, E.Hollands, N.Holman,
M.Rosas, C.Graham, J.Farrar, N.Moyle, M.Andrew, L.Casboult, D.McPherson
If Thompson makes it back to regular top level AFL football I will be astounded.
He last played senior Football in July 2018.
If he gets back next year that's the best part of 4 years since his last game
That's like 20 years in AFL time.
If he does that as a 31yo there's probably a movie script waiting to be written
Can anyone think of another player who's come back and played top flight footy after that long out at his age?
I wish him all the best but have very low expectations
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I can only think of Klay Thompson he’s been out for 2 years and he’s 31
When the history of the Suns is written someone will know why an injury prone 27yo full-back was offered a 5 year extension
There can't have been any Clubs lining up to offer him even 3
There can't have been any Clubs lining up to offer him even 3
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Considering we have the same round 1 fixture two years in a row, I thought it might be interesting to compare the 2021 round 1 team to my predicted 2022 round 1 team. I've included their age and games played as at that point in time.
Based off these teams, here are the demographics:
Interesting, other than the backline, I have us getting somewhat younger due to the exclusion of Sam Day and loss of Hugh Greenwood.
Lachie Weller & David Swallow are the hardest to find a position for.
Nick Holman & Oleg Markov are probably the two I have the biggest question mark on being in the team.
Overall, I think Lukosius to the forward line and Bowes the the mid make us are far more balanced team. Accounting for natural improvement, I think if these two teams were to play each other, the 2022 team would win far more often than not.
| FB 2022 | Lachie Weller | 26 / 116 | Sam Collins | 27 / 59 | Sean Lemmens | 27 / 114 |
| FB 2021 | Connor Budarick | 19 / 15 | Sam Collins | 26 / 40 | Sean Lemmens | 26 / 93 |
| HB 2022 | Wil Powell | 22 / 57 | Charlie Ballard | 22 / 69 | Oleg Markov | 25 / 40 |
| HB 2021 | Jack Bowes | 23 / 59 | Charlie Ballard | 21 / 48 | Oleg Markov | 24 / 23 |
| C 2022 | Brandon Ellis | 28 / 210 | Noah Anderson | 21 / 37 | Jeremy Sharp | 20 / 11 |
| C 2021 | Brandon Ellis | 27 / 192 | Hugh Greenwood | 29 / 68 | Jack Lukosius | 20 / 38 |
| R 2022 | Jarrod Witts | 29 / 122 | Touk Miller | 26 / 138 | Matt Rowell | 20 / 17 |
| R 2021 | Jarrod Witts | 28 / 119 | Touk Miller | 25 / 117 | Matt Rowell | 19 / 5 |
| HF 2022 | Ben Ainsworth | 24 / 74 | Jack Lukosius | 21 / 60 | David Swallow | 29 / 175 |
| HF 2021 | David Swallow | 28 / 154 | Sam Day | 28 / 137 | Lachie Weller | 25 / 103 |
| FF 2022 | Izak Rankine | 21 / 30 | Ben King | 21 / 53 | Sam Flanders | 20 / 21 |
| FF 2021 | Izak Rankine | 20 / 12 | Ben King | 20 / 31 | Darcy McPherson | 23 / 51 |
| INT 2022 | Nick Holman | 26 / 71 | Jack Bowes | 24 / 78 | Mabior Chol | 25 / 31 |
| INT 2021 | Will Brodie | 22 / 20 | Alex Sexton | 28 / 133 | Wil Powell | 21 / 35 |
| INT 2022 | Elijah Hollands | 19 / 0 | ||||
| INT 2021 | Noah Anderson | 20 / 17 |
Based off these teams, here are the demographics:
| Average Age | Difference | Average Games | Difference | ||
| Back Line | 2021 | 24.83 | 75.83 | ||
2020 | 23.17 | 1.67 | 46.33 | 29.50 | |
| MidField | 2021 | 24.00 | 89.17 | ||
2020 | 24.67 | (0.67) | 89.83 | (0.67) | |
| Forward Line | 2021 | 22.67 | 68.83 | ||
2020 | 24.00 | (1.33) | 81.33 | (12.50) | |
| Interchange | 2021 | 23.50 | 45.00 | ||
2020 | 22.75 | 0.75 | 51.25 | (6.25) |
Interesting, other than the backline, I have us getting somewhat younger due to the exclusion of Sam Day and loss of Hugh Greenwood.
Lachie Weller & David Swallow are the hardest to find a position for.
Nick Holman & Oleg Markov are probably the two I have the biggest question mark on being in the team.
Overall, I think Lukosius to the forward line and Bowes the the mid make us are far more balanced team. Accounting for natural improvement, I think if these two teams were to play each other, the 2022 team would win far more often than not.
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I don't mind the side but you've left out the captain and 3 players from last years top 10 B+F.
Even with their limitations, I can't see Swallow, Lemmens or Holman not being selected by the coaching staff.
I would be interested to know what people think about Suns ruck options if Witts is not ready round 1. Yes, there are some positive comments from the club, Whiting that Witts should be ready but I have some doubts. It will be only 10-11 months since his surgery. Hard to know exactly when Witts had surgery but he was still around the club for at least a couple of weeks before surgery. We face some serious challenge in the first 2 rounds in the ruck - Naitanui and Max Gawn/Jackson.
So how would you set up Suns ruck? IMO, it got to be Chol as a primary ruck but I am far from convinced about his ruck skills. Burgess marginally won their battle last year. Who would complement him? Burgess? Day? Or go with unproven Moyle or Conroy who will be 13 months from surgery and had been 3 years in the system and built his body? Or use Graham/Casboult in defence and assist in the ruck to counter tall forward line up Eagles will play? In 1-2 years, I would say Moyle would be probably my choice but he has to build tank and prove himself first.
I guess for round 1, my choice would be Chol as a primary ruck and Burgess to give him chop in. Burgess would play mostly on 3rd tall in defence against Eagles (Allen).
So how would you set up Suns ruck? IMO, it got to be Chol as a primary ruck but I am far from convinced about his ruck skills. Burgess marginally won their battle last year. Who would complement him? Burgess? Day? Or go with unproven Moyle or Conroy who will be 13 months from surgery and had been 3 years in the system and built his body? Or use Graham/Casboult in defence and assist in the ruck to counter tall forward line up Eagles will play? In 1-2 years, I would say Moyle would be probably my choice but he has to build tank and prove himself first.
I guess for round 1, my choice would be Chol as a primary ruck and Burgess to give him chop in. Burgess would play mostly on 3rd tall in defence against Eagles (Allen).
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