Prediction Best 22 for 2020

[Mt Isa Mustang]

Well by the time the AFL is back... it will be the first time we will field our best 22. Rankine, Ballard, Powell, Thompson, Miles, Hombsch will all be fit by then

minus D.Swallow!

 

[RowellAnderson12]

minus D.Swallow!

Ahhhh theres always one ffs

 

[briztoon]

Wasn’t sure where to post this, and didn’t want it in the covid-19 thread.

If teams have to cut lists back to 38 players, and in contract and out of contract doesn’t matter, and there are no rookie list anymore, who are you keeping?

The only catch is, you have to cut the list back to 36, because you have to take a minimum of 2 players at this years draft.

(And I’m working on the provision that all teams will be in the same boat post the AFL’s financial apocalypse)

 

[Jirik13]

Wasn’t sure where to post this, and didn’t want it in the covid-19 thread.

If teams have to cut lists back to 38 players, and in contract and out of contract doesn’t matter, and there are no rookie list anymore, who are you keeping?

The only catch is, you have to cut the list back to 36, because you have to take a minimum of 2 players at this years draft.

(And I’m working on the provision that all teams will be in the same boat post the AFL’s financial apocalypse)

It is actually pretty easy for the Suns list, at least in my opinion. I did 35 list with no real difficulty a couple of days ago. How did you go with Lions list?

35 no order of priority - average age 23yr 10mth in March 2021:
Thompson, Ballard, Lukosius, Collins, Powell, Greenwood, B Ellis, Ainsworth, Day, Sexton, Macpherson, King, Rankine, Witts, Swallow, Weller, Bowes, Fiorini, Brodie, Rowell, Miller, Anderson, Flanders, Holman, Lemmens, Hombsh, Wright, Corbett, Burgess, Budarick, Graham, Joyce, Sharp, Rosas, McLennan

Notable out:
Harbrow, Hanley, Miles, Murdoch, Smith

If 36 allowed I would probably keep Harbrow if he can go on or Smith as Witts's backup.

 

[briztoon]

It is actually pretty easy for the Suns list, at least in my opinion. I did 35 list with no real difficulty a couple of days ago. How did you go with Lions list?

35 no order of priority - average age 23yr 10mth in March 2021:
Thompson, Ballard, Lukosius, Collins, Powell, Greenwood, B Ellis, Ainsworth, Day, Sexton, Macpherson, King, Rankine, Witts, Swallow, Weller, Bowes, Fiorini, Brodie, Rowell, Miller, Anderson, Flanders, Holman, Lemmens, Hombsh, Wright, Corbett, Burgess, Budarick, Graham, Joyce, Sharp, Rosas, McLennan

Notable out:
Harbrow, Hanley, Miles, Murdoch, Smith

If 36 allowed I would probably keep Harbrow if he can go on or Smith as Witts's backup.

Makes it harder with a young list.

Yeah I could cut the list back to 36, but lost a couple I would have preferred to keep. Not that I believe any other club would have picked up a discarded player.

This is who I delisted.
Jacob Allison (R)
Toby Wooller
James Madden (R)
Archie Smith (R)
Grant Birchall
Mitchell Hinge
Ryan Lester
Allen Christensen
Sam Skinner (R)
Corey Lyons (R)
Matt Eagles (R)

I sure hope the Northern clubs are allowed to extend their U19 academy lists, as we’re going to need an extended list for the NEAFL.

 

[Choppers]

It is actually pretty easy for the Suns list, at least in my opinion. I did 35 list with no real difficulty a couple of days ago. How did you go with Lions list?

35 no order of priority - average age 23yr 10mth in March 2021:
Thompson, Ballard, Lukosius, Collins, Powell, Greenwood, B Ellis, Ainsworth, Day, Sexton, Macpherson, King, Rankine, Witts, Swallow, Weller, Bowes, Fiorini, Brodie, Rowell, Miller, Anderson, Flanders, Holman, Lemmens, Hombsh, Wright, Corbett, Burgess, Budarick, Graham, Joyce, Sharp, Rosas, McLennan

Notable out:
Harbrow, Hanley, Miles, Murdoch, Smith

If 36 allowed I would probably keep Harbrow if he can go on or Smith as Witts's backup.

If we go with 35, I agree with your selections bar one. I'm no big fan of Zac Smith but I believe we need a back up ruck, and whilst I think maybe Wright can be that in the years to come (hopefully) this is for 2020 season. So I would add Smith and, after some deliberation, leave Holman out. If we go with 36, then Holman gets a reprieve.

Those to miss with 35....Holman Hanley Harbrow Miles C.Ellis Murdoch GHS Schoenfeld Heron Murtagh Dawson Fletcher Riordan Conroy Farrar Towey.

 

[briztoon]

If we go with 35, I agree with your selections bar one. I'm no big fan of Zac Smith but I believe we need a back up ruck, and whilst I think maybe Wright can be that in the years to come (hopefully) this is for 2020 season. So I would add Smith and, after some deliberation, leave Holman out. If we go with 36, then Holman gets a reprieve.

Those to miss with 35....Holman Hanley Harbrow Miles C.Ellis Murdoch GHS Schoenfeld Heron Murtagh Dawson Fletcher Riordan Conroy Farrar Towey.

We might see an evolution in the type of rucks preferred by clubs if shortened quarters are here to stay.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

We might see an evolution in the type of rucks preferred by clubs if shortened quarters are here to stay.

Big lumbering Wittsy was obviously underdone but he and Lycett just negated each other.

Grundy and NicNat were probably the best 2 rucks round 1 IMO.
Goldy and Rory Lobb also very good.
Still think the best rucks came to the fore.

 

[briztoon]

Big lumbering Wittsy was obviously underdone but he and Lycett just negated each other.

Grundy and NicNat were probably the best 2 rucks round 1 IMO.
Goldy and Rory Lobb also very good.
Still think the best rucks came to the fore.

I believe rucks need to be able to offer something around the ground and not just be a pure tap ruck moving forward.

Either be able to compete at the contest, or able to play one out and have the skills to move the ball on, or be the next link in the chain down the line, meaning your tall forwards aren’t pulled out of the forward 50 to provide a marking target.

I’d prefer to play two ruck forwards, than a tap ruck and a ruck forward

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

I believe rucks need to be able to offer something around the ground and not just be a pure tap ruck moving forward.

Either be able to compete at the contest, or able to play one out and have the skills to move the ball on, or be the next link in the chain down the line, meaning your tall forwards aren’t pulled out of the forward 50 to provide a marking target.

I’d prefer to play two ruck forwards, than a tap ruck and a ruck forward

I think all the best rucks did that already.

I agree, that the rucks who are able to take a mark and kick a goal or play effectively as a 4th midfielder in the centre bounce will have their value boosted even further than it already is.

 

[briztoon]

Hey Jirik13 looks like 35 player lists.

Might need to cut back to 33 players, plus 2 draftees.

From listening to Jimmy Bartel today, sounds like the Giants are trying to negotiate some form of rookie list to be kept beyond the 35 player senior list.

 

[Jirik13]

Hey Jirik13 looks like 35 player lists.

Might need to cut back to 33 players, plus 2 draftees.

From listening to Jimmy Bartel today, sounds like the Giants are trying to negotiate some form of rookie list to be kept beyond the 35 player senior list.

Hm, who should I let go? Now it's not easy from 35 to 33. I may have to let go one of my two favourites - Lemmens or Holman. Possibly Joyce. Day pissed me off in round 1, so may be him.

It will be interesting with 35 players lists if it's true. It's not rare that teams have extensive injuries lists. I can't see mid-season draft will solve it. I remember at one time Suns had 20 injured players. Teams may be able to call upon players directly from reserve/NEAFL/VFL teams?

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

Hey Jirik13 looks like 35 player lists.

Might need to cut back to 33 players, plus 2 draftees.

From listening to Jimmy Bartel today, sounds like the Giants are trying to negotiate some form of rookie list to be kept beyond the 35 player senior list.

Very unlucky for some young guys.

Guess those later round draft picks that got swapped for Greenwood and Ah Chee etc are worthless basically.

 

[SandyToes]

Interesting you want to cut the guy who won the Club Champion in 2018 and 4 th in 2019
If our abysmal first up showing this year did nothing else it showed the value of class and experience


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[briztoon]

Very unlucky for some young guys.

Guess those later round draft picks that got swapped for Greenwood and Ah Chee etc are worthless basically.

Won’t be just you guys in that boat.

Pretty much every team will find themselves in a worse off position draft hand wise.

Except for the teams that traded out of the first round this year. If it is a shortened draft, West Coast, GWS and Melbourne might come out as winners just be seeing their first picks move up 10 positions

Actually trading pick 11 to Geelong might have been a bonus for you.

Will be interesting if you guys look to trade your first pick.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

If lists are down to only 35 - and a projected 30 for 2022 then we have to have players that are resilient and don't get injured.

If you have 7-8 injured then you're cactus.

Unpopular opinion, but, I'd seriously consider delisting Rory Thompson in favour of someone who isn't as good but at least consistently gets on the park. Eg a Chris Burgess.

 

[SandyToes]

If lists are down to only 35 - and a projected 30 for 2022 then we have to have players that are resilient and don't get injured.

If you have 7-8 injured then you're cactus.

Unpopular opinion, but, I'd seriously consider delisting Rory Thompson in favour of someone who isn't as good but at least consistently gets on the park. Eg a Chris Burgess.

Cabin Fever talk
Even on one leg Rory is better than Burgo completely fit

 

[Supersuns]

If lists are down to only 35 - and a projected 30 for 2022 then we have to have players that are resilient and don't get injured.

If you have 7-8 injured then you're cactus.

Unpopular opinion, but, I'd seriously consider delisting Rory Thompson in favour of someone who isn't as good but at least consistently gets on the park. Eg a Chris Burgess.

Rory stays, he is easily our best defender when fit,now has plenty of time to get fit so id back him in

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

Maybe
30 year old Rory post ACL - who knows how good he is.
By the start of 2021 he will have played 50 games in the past 6 years.
+ got injured halfway through about 5 of them.

 

[Peel67skin]

Won’t be just you guys in that boat.

Pretty much every team will find themselves in a worse off position draft hand wise.

Except for the teams that traded out of the first round this year. If it is a shortened draft, West Coast, GWS and Melbourne might come out as winners just be seeing their first picks move up 10 positions

Actually trading pick 11 to Geelong might have been a bonus for you.

Will be interesting if you guys look to trade your first pick.

I can't see GCS trade first round pick out.

Definetely trading out to Geelong, offload Ah chee and Martin are bonus. I think both under Clayton signed massive deal with their manager.

 

[briztoon]

I can't see GCS trade first round pick out.

Definetely trading out to Geelong, offload Ah chee and Martin are bonus. I think both under Clayton signed massive deal with their manager.

I didn’t mean trade out. I meant trade back.

Say a team around pick 5 or 6 is willing to trade their 2020 and 2021 first round picks out for GC’s 2020 first and second round picks, you might consider it.

You trade back and draft the best tall defender and add your academy kid. Job done.

Then you walk in to the 2021 draft with two first round picks, and the 2021 draft is looking very strong off of the 2019 U16 tournament, and the U16 kids who stepped up to U18 level in the NAB league late in the season last year.

 

[Peel67skin]

I didn’t mean trade out. I meant trade back.

Say a team around pick 5 or 6 is willing to trade their 2020 and 2021 first round picks out for GC’s 2020 first and second round picks, you might consider it.

You trade back and draft the best tall defender and add your academy kid. Job done.

Then you walk in to the 2021 draft with two first round picks, and the 2021 draft is looking very strong off of the 2019 U16 tournament, and the U16 kids who stepped up to U18 level in the NAB league late in the season last year.

I don't get the two first round pick thing, especially for GCS, you can only keep that many first round pick and eventually trade them out like GWS ( eh Bonar, Devon smith, setterfield, kennedy) because of salary cap.
Lachie Neale, Dane Swan, Sam Mitchell, worpel all not first round pick and normally you don't need to worried they go back home except maybe Adam Saad or extend their contract too early ( overpaid).

* collect first round pick is fun but you still need to develop them, I can't see them growth in Neafl. A waste of time, money if you can't get your list balance right.
Keeping the 9 top 10 is a priority ( Bowes, Ainsworth, Brodie, king, Rankine, Lukosius, Rowell, Anderson and Flanders), plus this year pick=10.

 

[briztoon]

I don't get the two first round pick thing, especially for GCS, you can only keep that many first round pick and eventually trade them out like GWS ( eh Bonar, Devon smith, setterfield, kennedy) because of salary cap.
Lachie Neale, Dane Swan, Sam Mitchell, worpel all not first round pick and normally you don't need to worried they go back home except maybe Adam Saad or extend their contract too early ( overpaid).

* collect first round pick is fun but you still need to develop them, I can't see them growth in Neafl. A waste of time, money if you can't get your list balance right.

If the AFL is going to change as much as Caro and Niall are writing about, I don’t believe we’re going to see any more Neale or Worpel type picks any more, because the draft won’t go that deep any more.

It looks like we’re in for some pretty big changes beyond list sizes being cut, and the draft possibly only going 2 rounds.

AFL clubs aren’t going to have reserve teams any more, because the list size won’t allow for it.

We (the northern clubs) won’t be able to develop our kids in the NEAFL any more.

Clubs are going to want high end first round picks, because those kids are not only more talented, but they’re also often able to contribute early in their careers, even if their bodies are fully developed for AFL yet.

The second round, we’re more likely to see older players drafted out of the State leagues. Players who have spent one or a couple of years developing before they get their chance. This is where the Neale and Worpel types will end up after their U18 year.

It’s possible the AFL adopts a system similar to Rugby League, where senior squad players who don’t make the best 22 for that weekend drop back and play for a NEAFL side they’re aligned to.

We might need another NEAFL team QLD, on the Gold Coast or Logan, and two more in NSW.

 

[SandyToes]

Maybe
30 year old Rory post ACL - who knows how good he is.
By the start of 2021 he will have played 50 games in the past 6 years.
+ got injured halfway through about 5 of them.

Point taken
You do forget Rory will be 30!
Doesnt seem fair on the poor bugger
Way less clubs lining up for him in the post covid world true
But he's still better than Burgo
If we get back on the ground this year and he plays fit great -he gets 2021

 

[kreglze]

As a bit of practice if I was to cut our list down to 30, it would mean cutting 21 players from our list.

For an exercise, if I was to cut 21 players from our list (ignoring contractual obligations) this is probably who I put up at the moment.

Zac Smith
Chris Burgess
Matt Conroy
Josh Corbett
Jacob Dawson
Corey Ellis
Jy Farrar
Sam Fletcher
Pearce Hanley (Ret)
Jarrod Harbrow (Ret)
Jacob Heron
Nick Holman
George Horlin Smith
Jesse Joyce
Sean Lemmens
Anthony Miles
Jordan Murdoch
Patrick Murtagh
Josh Schoenfeld
Luke Towey
Mitch Riordan

Extensive list and I can't see it going straight to only 30 but there are 21. In these times in the AFL we can't afford to be bringing in project players, there is a lot of potential on that list, but just some thoughts. I.E We can't have 2 specialist ruckman on a list of 30 so Smith goes. A few probably very unlucky as well.