Best 22

[freoextra]

Yep, some good points on our defenders made in this thread.

I have gained an impression that when Johnson is in the team that Ibbo may not be a certainty. But I guess Ibbo's latest injury will probably put him towards the back of selection anyhow. Hope he gets fit and well because as everyone here has said, you rarely have your best 22 available and Ibbo can play a variety of roles all over the ground.

 

[sherrif]

The thing with Duff is that his ball use coming off half back is elite. He may not defend as well as Spurr or Sutty, but if we are to kick 2 extra golas per game, dropping Duffman will not help.

I respect your opinion, but Id like to know why you think Spurr has defended well in 2014. By my account L.Parker, Breust, Wingard and Duncan have all got a hold of him this year. I think he has played decently, but on 2014 form Sutcliffe and Duffield are miles ahead of him at the moment. It will be a really, really close call between Ibbo and Spurr if everyone is available in my opinion.

I also think those calling for Sutcliffe in other posts to be dropped are massively off the mark. Of the four small defenders (Sutcliffe, Duffield, Ibbo and Spurr) Sutcliffe would be the highest rated player in our B & F at the moment by a considerable margin. Shutting down your man would be significantly more valued by the match committee than it is on this board. Sutcliffe is starting to remind me of Shane Parker with his ability to shut down the player he is on and his ability to play on players of a variety of sizes.

 

[clogged]

We don't play a 6 man forward line so naming best 22's in the traditional layout is pointless. Also it's not the AA; Fyfe is not a half forward.
B - Dawson McPharlin Spurr
HB - Duffield Sutcliffe Mzungu Johnson
C - Hill Mundy Pearce
Def F - Mayne Sylvia
F - Walters Pavlich Ballantyne
R - Sandilands Fyfe Crowley
Int - Barlow Clarke Suban
Sub - Morabito
Emg - Neale Ibbotson De Boer

Thinking: Our best 25 has more midfielders than we can accommodate, Neale misses out as the least capable of rotating forward*. Sylvia is in as our only player capable of playing defensive forward who commands the attention of his opponent. Playing at least 4 players in our forwardline who demand their opponent stick with them I think will open up space to improve our scoring and reduce the effectiveness of our opponents defensive rebound (I.E. less oppo numbers at the drop).

* Before complaining about this opinion remember we're talking about lining up for 30 40 50% of the game there, not following the ball in for a stoppage. Something he is undeniably good at kicking goals from.

I would have Neale for Morabito but otherwise I agree with you.

I know DPearce won't be dropped and has a good year in general, but his ball use and record in important finals worry me big time.

 

[pavsbootlace]

I respect your opinion, but Id like to know why you think Spurr has defended well in 2014. By my account L.Parker, Breust, Wingard and Duncan have all got a hold of him this year. I think he has played decently, but on 2014 form Sutcliffe and Duffield are miles a head of him at the moment. It will be a really, really close call between Ibbo and Spurr if everyone is available in my opinion.

I also think those calling for Sutcliffe in other posts to be dropped are massively off the mark. Of the four small defenders (Sutcliffe, Duffield, Ibbo and Spurr) Sutcliffe would be the highest rated player in our B & F at the moment by a considerable margin. Shutting down your man would be significantly more valued by the match committee than it is on this board. Sutcliffe is starting to remind me of Shane Parker with his ability to shut down the player he is on and his ability to play on players of a variety of sizes.

I didn't see the Sydney game, so I'll take you word on that. And I can't recall the Spurr / Duncan match-up to be honest, so maybe you're right there too.

Wingard played out of his skin against us, and I don't think any defender in the comp could have held him downthat day. But yes, he had the better of Spurr.

I wouldn't have thought Bruest had a particularly big impact relative to the rest of his team. We were comprehensively thrashed by the Hawks, Spurr wasn't great, but it's never going to be a good day for a defender when the opposition is dominating.

It's just my observation that he doesn't get beaten very often one on one. If he's won his position 12 times out of 16, he's doing a pretty good job. I generally see him playing deeper in defence than Sutty or Duffman, so I think he's playing the more difficult position, (because he's a better defender). Would you agree with that?

 

[mightydockers]

I respect your opinion, but Id like to know why you think Spurr has defended well in 2014. By my account L.Parker, Breust, Wingard and Duncan have all got a hold of him this year. I think he has played decently, but on 2014 form Sutcliffe and Duffield are miles ahead of him at the moment. It will be a really, really close call between Ibbo and Spurr if everyone is available in my opinion.

I also think those calling for Sutcliffe in other posts to be dropped are massively off the mark. Of the four small defenders (Sutcliffe, Duffield, Ibbo and Spurr) Sutcliffe would be the highest rated player in our B & F at the moment by a considerable margin. Shutting down your man would be significantly more valued by the match committee than it is on this board. Sutcliffe is starting to remind me of Shane Parker with his ability to shut down the player he is on and his ability to play on players of a variety of sizes.

Would still take spurr everytime in a final. I rate sutty but being pretty raw atm he is very prone to getting rag-dolled on the big stage

 

[bloke_]

I'll have a stab.

FB: Johnson Dawson Mzungu
HB: Sutty LMac Duffield
C: D Pearce Fyfe Hill
HF: Sylvia Mayne Walters
FF: Ballas Pav Clarke
R: Sandi Crowley Mundy
I: Barlow Neale Morabito Suban

EMG: C Pearce De Boer Ibbo

Can't believe Ibbo can't be squeezed in. I think it would be between him and Mzungu. Spurr or Sutty? I really don't know.

 

[sherrif]

I didn't see the Sydney game, so I'll take you word on that. And I can't recall the Spurr / Duncan match-up to be honest, so maybe you're right there too.

Wingard played out of his skin against us, and I don't think any defender in the comp could have held him downthat day. But yes, he had the better of Spurr.

I wouldn't have thought Bruest had a particularly big impact relative to the rest of his team. We were comprehensively thrashed by the Hawks, Spurr wasn't great, but it's never going to be a good day for a defender when the opposition is dominating.

It's just my observation that he doesn't get beaten very often one on one. If he's won his position 12 times out of 16, he's doing a pretty good job. I generally see him playing deeper in defence than Sutty or Duffman, so I think he's playing the more difficult position, (because he's a better defender). Would you agree with that?

To be honest I think Sutcliffe normally plays deeper and my criticism of Spurr is also based on him turning the football over to the opposition too often this year compared to our other small defenders. But, on reflection he had a pretty good finals series last year (including a cracking game against Geelong),and is also part of the leadership group, so I don't think he will be dropped. It is highly likely that we wont have everyone available in the finals, so it is a near certainty Spurr will be in the team. If it came down to a choice between an underdone Ibbo and Spurr you have changed my mind and I think Ibbo may be really unlucky and miss out.

 

[pavsbootlace]

To be honest I think Sutcliffe normally plays deeper and my criticism of Spurr is also based on him turning the football over to the opposition too often this year compared to our other small defenders. But, on reflection he had a pretty good finals series last year (including a cracking game against Geelong),and is also part of the leadership group, so I don't think he will be dropped. It is highly likely that we wont have everyone available in the finals, so it is a near certainty Spurr will be in the team. If it came down to a choice between an underdone Ibbo and Spurr you have changed my mind and I think Ibbo may be really unlucky and miss out.

OK, I will have a better look at the setup at the next home game, maybe Sutty does play deeper? Maybe it changes depending on the opposition. But, now that I've changed your mind, it's worth considering that Ibbo may be a better 7th defender against Sydney with their very tall forwardline. Horses for courses. Maybe a best 22 only exists in the realm of unicorns and such...

 

[estibador]

I think Spurr is our best lock-down small defender by a mile. If he's been beaten a few times it's because he usually gets the most dangerous small forward, and given the quality of those guys they're always going to get the best of you occasionally - just like Ballas and Walters do to their opponents when they're 'on'.

I don't really see him in competition with Duff and Sutty, who play a much more similar role to each other.

 

[Kunna17]

I respect your opinion, but Id like to know why you think Spurr has defended well in 2014. By my account L.Parker, Breust, Wingard and Duncan have all got a hold of him this year. I think he has played decently, but on 2014 form Sutcliffe and Duffield are miles ahead of him at the moment. It will be a really, really close call between Ibbo and Spurr if everyone is available in my opinion.

I also think those calling for Sutcliffe in other posts to be dropped are massively off the mark. Of the four small defenders (Sutcliffe, Duffield, Ibbo and Spurr) Sutcliffe would be the highest rated player in our B & F at the moment by a considerable margin. Shutting down your man would be significantly more valued by the match committee than it is on this board. Sutcliffe is starting to remind me of Shane Parker with his ability to shut down the player he is on and his ability to play on players of a variety of sizes.

I fully understand where your coming from mate, but to me, the fact that Spurr gets the best forwards ... Bruest, Wingard, etc. suggests that he is our best defender, or the highest-rated SHUT-DOWN defender, although offensively he may not offer as much as Sutcliffe, every team needs a lock-down small defender AND there is no evidence as of yet, to say Sutcliffe can shut-down TOP CLASS small-forwards, which come finals, guarantees spurr a spot to me.

 

[willoblue]

B Spurr Dawson Ibbo
HB Johno Luke Duff
C Hill Mundy Mzungu
HF Barlow Pav Walters
F Mayne Clarke Ballantyne
R Sandi Fyfe Crowley
IC Sutcliffe Neale Mora
Sub Suban
Emerg D Pearce Griffin Silvagni De Boer

fan of Danyle, but worried about his disposal

 

[bloke_]

B Spurr Dawson Ibbo
HB Johno Luke Duff
C Hill Mundy Mzungu
HF Barlow Pav Walters
F Mayne Clarke Ballantyne
R Sandi Fyfe Suban
IC Sutcliffe Neale Morabito
Sub Sylvia
Emerg D Pearce Griffin Silvagni De Boer

fan of Danyle, but worried about his disposal

No Crowley?

 

[willoblue]

No Crowley?

fixed.
ta 4 the heads up

 

[Wigarus]

I respect your opinion, but Id like to know why you think Spurr has defended well in 2014. By my account L.Parker, Breust, Wingard and Duncan have all got a hold of him this year. I think he has played decently, but on 2014 form Sutcliffe and Duffield are miles ahead of him at the moment. It will be a really, really close call between Ibbo and Spurr if everyone is available in my opinion.

I'm struggling to remember a game that Ibbo played as a lock down small defender under Lyon.

Imo, they are not fighting for the same spot. I think that Ibbo, Sutcliffe, Duffield and Johnson play as the loose / creative type defenders with McPharlin, Dawson and Spurr being predominately lock down roles.

 

[Cobbler]

I doubt Apeness would be best 22 come finals, but as a gauge what would he need to achieve in next 5 games to be considered?

Seeing as I asked the question I'll give my answer.

Firstly it starts this weekend. He'd need to kick a minimum 3 goals to be considered for Carlton and be influential, not a cheap 3 goals. I say this simply based on those expected in.

From there he'd have to back it up against Carlton with an equally impressive performance.

Then against Geelong and Hawks we'd have to win and he'd have to have simply played his part. More of a part then against GWS.

All of this is unlikely but sometimes you just find something and he is what we miss, albeit probably 2-3 years away.

 

[Wigarus]

I doubt Apeness would be best 22 come finals, but as a gauge what would he need to achieve in next 5 games to be considered?

Seeing as I asked the question I'll give my answer.

Firstly it starts this weekend. He'd need to kick a minimum 3 goals to be considered for Carlton and be influential, not a cheap 3 goals. I say this simply based on those expected in.

From there he'd have to back it up against Carlton with an equally impressive performance.

Then against Geelong and Hawks we'd have to win and he'd have to have simply played his part. More of a part then against GWS.

All of this is unlikely but sometimes you just find something and he is what we miss, albeit probably 2-3 years away.

I don't see it as being likely at all but if he averaged 1.5 goals a game from here on out I'd say he'd keep his spot. I think he'll be dropped after the Carlton game anyways and he might not even be picked this week.

 

[Cobbler]

I don't see it as being likely at all but if he averaged 1.5 goals a game from here on out I'd say he'd keep his spot. I think he'll be dropped after the Carlton game anyways and he might not even be picked this week.

I agree, but if he kicks 3 against Saints and then another 3 against Carlton it would be hard to drop him.

 

[Cobbler]

I agree, but if he kicks 3 against Saints and then another 3 against Carlton it would be hard to drop him.

But I'm fully aware he hasn't even kicked one against Melbourne and GWS combined.

 

[Wigarus]

I agree, but if he kicks 3 against Saints and then another 3 against Carlton it would be hard to drop him.

Taberner was dropped after kicking 2 against Essendon wasn't he? Also it's not that hard to justify when you have one Sonny Walters ready for a game.

 

[estibador]

I don't see it as being likely at all but if he averaged 1.5 goals a game from here on out I'd say he'd keep his spot. I think he'll be dropped after the Carlton game anyways and he might not even be picked this week.

I have a bad feeling Apeness is going to be dropped this week.

The Boss was suspiciously cagey in the press conference last week.

 

[Wigarus]

I have a bad feeling Apeness is going to be dropped this week.

The Boss was suspiciously cagey in the press conference last week.

The only thing that makes me think he might stay in is that we are down another forward on last week and McPharlin is ready to come back in. Unless Ross drops Apeness for McPharlin (which is a possibility) we would be making 3 changes and it doesn't happen too often.


edit - also I like Apeness and don't want him dropped

 

[gungho]

ok, this is mine. Think Ross always plays 1 extra man back so will take that into consideration.

Spurr Dawson Duffield
Ibbo Johhno McPharlin Sutcliffe
Hill Crowley Neale
Mayne Walters
Clarke Pav Ballantine

Ruck Sandi Mundy Fife
Int Suban Barlow Myzungu
Sub: Mora.

Controversial: No D Pearce - am thinking this 22 is for a grand final and in a regular match Danyle would be in every week. He does a lot of great things but I reckon he miskicks/fumbles a little too much when the pressure is really on (Grand Final)

 

[Cobbler]

Silvagni or Taberner any chance to play as forward to replace Apeness?

 

[pokerspiv]

I doubt it. If we were going to play 2 talls we'd play Apeness.

 

[Patty_Moz]

B Spurr Dawson Ibbo
HB Johno Luke Duff
C Hill Mundy Mzungu
HF Suban Pav Walters
F Mayne Clarke Ballantyne
R Sandi Fyfe Barlow
IC Sutcliffe Mora De Boer
Sub Neale
Emerg Griffin Silvagni Sylvia

Very controversial but Crowley out for me.
I'm not really a fan of the hard tag and honestly think we will somehow have to become more attacking if we're going to win the GF.
I think that midfield could beat any in the league with an amazing mix of size, skill and explosive pace.
If we needed a run with go with Gu or Deboer

Luckily for you guys I don't run the show!!!