Best 2nd key fowards for each club in 2017

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

The list highlights why Jack Darling gets rated too harshly for his perceived lack of goals, still one of the best in the comp at his role.

Don't rate...

 

[Hobbes]

Do "key forwards" necessarily have to be talls?

 

[avishka5]

Do "key forwards" necessarily have to be talls?

yes as they play key position.

 

[Schauermann]

We actually do ok on the list. But is he really our 2nd? Hard to split 1 and 2...

 

[Hobbes]

yes as they play key position.

If "key position" is a prerequisite, then you don't just exclude Betts, but also marking talls like (Mitch) McGovern or Tom T Lynch. Not sure that's best.

 

[avishka5]

If "key position" is a prerequisite, then you don't just exclude Betts, but also marking talls like (Mitch) McGovern or Tom T Lynch. Not sure that's best.

Key position is FF/CHF. Betts is fwd pocket and lynch is a high half forward. Good case for Mcgovern but in a side with jenkins and tex, he is your third tall.

I personally named the thread best 2nd tall as in my eyes a lot of clubs tend to use a third/mid size player as KPF.

 

[Holy Rioli]

Hmmm, Aaron Black isn't on $600,000 a year though.

Neither is Vickery.

 

[HaroLad]

Neither is Vickery.

Yes he is.

 

[Sttew]

Assessing the 2nd best key forwards at each club by goals kicked and ranking them so far (End of round 18).
Generally to qualify there has to be another key forward kicking more goals at the club.
If there are only two key forwards and they both have same number of goals the one with fewer behinds or goals per game was selected. Some exceptions have been made based on personal opinion.
For clubs that run 3 tall forwards selecting only the one of them can be subjective.
Injuries have meant sometimes these players have played as the sole key forward which can help or hinder their output depending on your opinion. Also means they all haven't played the same number of games.

1. Jonathan Patton (GWS) 34 goals, 11 behinds, 33 contested marks, 31 marks inside 50.
2. Jack Darling (WCE) 32 goals, 19 behinds, 24 contested marks, 40 marks inside 50.
3. Cale Hooker (Essendon) 32 goals, 17 behinds, 38 contested marks, 34 marks inside 50.
4. Josh Jenkins (Adelaide) 28 goals, 14 behinds, 17 contested marks, 27 marks inside 50.

What about Dan Menzel? 34 goals? Would be Equal 1 on your list, goal-wise, and he just plays forward

 

[Rack Watts]

The list highlights why Jack Darling gets rated too harshly for his perceived lack of goals, still one of the best in the comp at his role.

Darling is a gun, gets far too much crap just because he had a few mental blunders in finals. He was pretty young at that stage. My only criticism is that he moves like the Tinman.

 

[Rack Watts]

Eddie Betts should be on top of your list. He has 41 goals, and Tex has 42. Jenkins is our third highest.

If we were including smalls, Cale Hooker wouldn't be our second forward. O-Ring Fantasia would be.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Jenkins lower than I expected. Significant injury outs, or just battling for his share of ball in the Crows forward line?

He's missed 3 games with a rib cartilage injury (which was 10 minutes into the Round 2 Hawthorn game, so basically missed that entire game as well). He then came back too early from that injury and was dropped for 1 week after 3 sub-par performances. Last week he was below his best after suffering from food poisoning (i.e. hamgate).

On a goals per game basis he's basically on par with Patton, so it's still a decent effort.

 

[HeHateMe]

Yes he is.

350k over 3, 500k over 2.

 

[Capt Hindsight]

What about Dan Menzel? 34 goals? Would be Equal 1 on your list, goal-wise, and he just plays forward

Daniel Menzel doesn't play as a key forward.
Hawkins is the no.1 key forward at Geelong and Harry Taylor is the no.2 key forward.

 

[HaroLad]

350k over 3, 500k over 2.

A lot of money for a VFL player.

 

[Football Tragic]

2nd talls are over rated........ but do you know of any good ones available

 

[SloppyJoe]

Is he actually soft?

Maybe not soft in the traditional sense, but definitely in the sense that he constantly plays for frees and goes to ground.

 

[Sttew]

Daniel Menzel doesn't play as a key forward.
Hawkins is the no.1 key forward at Geelong and Harry Taylor is the no.2 key forward.

So what's the definition of a key forward? FF & CHF, or are they footballers whose key focus is on kicking goals? The game has changed. We don't have ruck rovers or wingers any more. Arguably the CHF has gone the same way. Menzel's key focus is kicking goals as is Eddie Betts. Two weeks ago when Dangerfield was plonked at FF, Hawkins was instructed to clear the area and act as a decoy

 

[demondavey]

2nd talls are over rated........ but do you know of any good ones available

Shane Edwards

 

[demondavey]

There is no such thing as a second tall forward anymore.

 

[Capt Hindsight]

So what's the definition of a key forward? FF & CHF, or are they footballers whose key focus is on kicking goals? The game has changed. We don't have ruck rovers or wingers any more. Arguably the CHF has gone the same way. Menzel's key focus is kicking goals as is Eddie Betts. Two weeks ago when Dangerfield was plonked at FF, Hawkins was instructed to clear the area and act as a decoy

Eddie Betts is a small forward and the best small forward as well. A small forward like Betts or a midfielder such as Dangerfield and Martin resting forward often are better forwards and kick more goals than tall contested mark forwards.
Yes positions in the AFL are much less rigid than the old days and I agree the true CHF often isn't used. However, playing multiple tall big bodied forwards often considered as key forwards that are played on by equally tall big bodied backman still exist.
These tall contested mark forwards do exactly that they take contested marks inside forward 50 or try to bring the ball to ground so smaller forwards can get the loose ball and goal.
Harry Taylor wouldn't be playing forward this year if Menzel (a medium forward) could play as a key contested mark forward.
Harry Taylor contested marks in 2017: 26. Daniel Menzel contested marks in 2017: 13.
Are their certain exceptions especially when it comes down to size? yes with Tim Membrey being the most notable case.
Tim Membrey is only 188cm but by taking 31 contested marks as a primary forward and often taking the best or 2nd best opposition key/big bodied tall defender he makes the list.
Simply making a list of the 2nd highest goal kickers at each club doesn't narrow it down the roles they play, just their effectiveness.
Also the list i have made has no correlation or real impact on ladder position as many sides score via small and medium forwards and resting midfielders.

 

[sr36]

So what's the definition of a key forward? FF & CHF, or are they footballers whose key focus is on kicking goals? The game has changed. We don't have ruck rovers or wingers any more. Arguably the CHF has gone the same way. Menzel's key focus is kicking goals as is Eddie Betts. Two weeks ago when Dangerfield was plonked at FF, Hawkins was instructed to clear the area and act as a decoy

Yep. Due to zones and the emphasis on two way running, we no longer see forward lines dominated by tall kpps being the kicking target and smalls looking to rove the spillage. Sub 180cm guys like Elliott and Betts are almost as likely to be the kicking target as 195cm guys. And when Dangerfield or Martin go forward, they are very much the priority kicking target.

 

[vozzon]

very concerning for port if dixon goes down. what do you think port fans?

Were stuffed.

 

[Trav 20]

2nd talls are over rated........ but do you know of any good ones available

It is amusing that Tom McDonald has kicked 20 goals in half a season and Ben Griffiths has never kicked more than 14 goals in any one of his 8 years.

 

[mike123]

Ben Reid would be up there if he didn't play in the backline, actually Moore would be on this list since Reid would be the number one.


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