Best and worst pm/premier???

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Best PM Curtain by a mile and history proves it!

Worst Menzies who was a pathetic pommie arselicker (a bit like Howard with Bush) that held on to power by one seat on the back of 100 Communist preferences in 1961!

Worst Billy "big ears" McMahon maybe our first gay PM


Best State Premier Jeff Kennet got things done that needed to done to get Vic back on track

Worst Bolte who was just a druken bully boy - Rylah really ran the state during that period.
 

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don dunstan - vote for worst that is

only thing he ever did was that stupid walk of faith down to the bay because all of the stupid residents didnt realise that a tidal wave couldn't hit adelaide
 

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Controversial I will grant you. I would have put Greiner or Kennett above him but they didnt last very long, which in the case of Kennett left the state with a dud. Corruption was just as bad if not worse in WA and NSW as it was under Joh. Police corruption in Victoria is still ongoing.

Did the police corruption in Qld affect the majority of the population or even a large % of them? No, just as police corruption in Victoria doesnt affect most people. Johs record on everything bar corruption was outstanding notwithstanding many people disagreed with his very conservative social views.

Would you rather have Joh running your state or Kirner? I know which I would prefer.
Rubbish. The guy is a criminal and there is no 2 ways about it. If you admire a corrupt politician then I simply can't understand your logic. Regardless of how bad the corruption was in other states, it means nothing as corruption is corruption full stop and the full penalty of the law should apply.

As for Kirner or Joh....neither, I would have Sir Charles Court or Don Dunstan before Joh or Joan or Nick, or Carmen or Barrie or Richard Court.
 

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Capitalist said:
don dunstan - vote for worst that is

only thing he ever did was that stupid walk of faith down to the bay because all of the stupid residents didnt realise that a tidal wave couldn't hit adelaide

And that's your sole reason on why he was the worst?
 

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Worst premier Cain/Kirner meh amateurs
You should have lived in WA when DrCarmen"everyone should try LSD once"Lawrence was in charge
Well unless you were a hetrosexual male with a job of course then you were scum according to the Lawrence sisterhood
 

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finders said:
Best PM Curtain by a mile and history proves it!
How does history prove it? Due to his decision to ask the US for help? Wow, as if he had a choice. His light on the hill speech? Bringing in a welfare state?
 

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Tell me you're kidding...wake up and smell the roses.
Get your head out of your ass. The PM has a huge influence over a Govt's performance.

Thats bullsh1t and you know it. I didn't say Howard wasn't a good PM because "I don't like him". I gave my reasons as to why he's so overated.
It's not bullsh1t at all. You claim he's not a good PM because of his policies on Iraq and asylum seekers. These depend on points of view and many agree with his stance. I claim that he is a good PM at the very least because he has run a stable and prosperous economy for a long period of time. That isn't dependent on POV, it's a fact.

The sad thing about all you people from the left is that you all assume that Howard's Iraq and asylum seeker policies are point blank wrong. Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they are wrong.
 

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Get your head out of your ass. The PM has a huge influence over a Govt's performance.

It's not bullsh1t at all. You claim he's not a good PM because of his policies on Iraq and asylum seekers. These depend on points of view and many agree with his stance. I claim that he is a good PM at the very least because he has run a stable and prosperous economy for a long period of time. That isn't dependent on POV, it's a fact.

The sad thing about all you people from the left is that you all assume that Howard's Iraq and asylum seeker policies are point blank wrong. Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they are wrong.
Your naivity kills me Bunsen :D

So conversely, using your 'special' brand of logic, if the economy hits the skids, the RBA puts up interest rates, dollar crashes etc then John Howard must be blamed. Couldn't be any other factors involved?

Geoff Gallop must be the best premier ever hey Bunsen, due to WA's strongest ever economic growth figures?

Howard being fiscally responsible etc..is just one big con job. Its sucked people like you in. If Howard was such a good PM in economic terms, he would have introduced considerable tax cuts for all Aussies, not just a vote-buying spree to appease lobby groups. Costello must have been spewing...I know what he would have done with the surplus.
 

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Get your head out of your ass.

The sad thing about all you people from the left is that you all assume that Howard's Iraq and asylum seeker policies are point blank wrong. Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they are wrong.
Do you REALLY believe what Howard said about 'children overboard'was a fact?.
 

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Your naivity kills me Bunsen :D

So conversely, using your 'special' brand of logic, if the economy hits the skids, the RBA puts up interest rates, dollar crashes etc then John Howard must be blamed. Couldn't be any other factors involved?

Geoff Gallop must be the best premier ever hey Bunsen, due to WA's strongest ever economic growth figures?

Howard being fiscally responsible etc..is just one big con job. Its sucked people like you in. If Howard was such a good PM in economic terms, he would have introduced considerable tax cuts for all Aussies, not just a vote-buying spree to appease lobby groups. Costello must have been spewing...I know what he would have done with the surplus.
What all the Liberal lovers dont ever talk about that when things went bad when Howard was Treas under Frazer in the 1980s he stuffed up real bad.
He is a little Sydneycentric vindictive egotist who one day will get his fair wack and go down in history as one of our most devious and decietfull PMs ever.
 

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Across all party lines...Curtin wins best PM hands down..to be able to truly unite a country at a time when the country was facing potential peril shows the power and strength of his leadership.

Worst PM probably has to go to McMahon...he either wasn't ready to take over from Gorton or the Coalition had no-one else

Best Premier from what I have read would be Neville Wran up there in NSW..sure he had a lot of problems across many fields, but, from what I have read about him, he seemed to make the state as strong as possible.

Worst Premier is Sir Joh..the most corrupt politican in Australaian history..big call I know, but, geez he had no idea at the end
 

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Your naivity kills me Bunsen :D

So conversely, using your 'special' brand of logic, if the economy hits the skids, the RBA puts up interest rates, dollar crashes etc then John Howard must be blamed. Couldn't be any other factors involved?
And your dic kheadity kills me.

When have I ever said there aren't any other factors involved? I simply said the PM has a big influence on the performance of the Govt. You disagreed, and you'd be wrong.
 

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And that's your sole reason on why he was the worst?

ok no but he did SFA for the state - he probably took it backwards
apart from allegedly being part of a peodaphile ring which murdered young boys around Adelaide and having "homosexual orgies" during his reign he really did nothing to benefit the state.

but then in SA they dont like to elect anyone that actually do anything - those that do get the boot saying that Mr Rann is up with his uselessness

P.S i'm not accusing him of any of these they are just things I have heard through the grape vine which i hope are really untrue because they are fairly gross things !!
 

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ok no but he did SFA for the state - he probably took it backwards
apart from allegedly being part of a peodaphile ring which murdered young boys around Adelaide and having "homosexual orgies" during his reign he really did nothing to benefit the state.

but then in SA they dont like to elect anyone that actually do anything - those that do get the boot saying that Mr Rann is up with his uselessness

P.S i'm not accusing him of any of these they are just things I have heard through the grape vine which i hope are really untrue because they are fairly gross things !!
As you earlier quoted in another thread:
Capitalist said:
hmm good to see you've painted the whole picture and havent just pulled a quote from somewhere and expected people to make an opinion based on that
Came back to haunt you? ;)

Your comments on Dunstan are nothing but simple allegations and there is no proof to the fact that Dunstan was involved in any of this rubbish with young boys.

I would base my vote on truths rather than made up stories and allegations.
 

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I don't know why you bother medhead, your views cannot not be un-biased and to call Joh a great premier your tripping, he was the worst easily
 

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http://prompeople.sacentral.sa.gov.au/dunstan/

Dunstan became involved in labor politics, and in 1953 successfully stood for the House of Assembly seat of Norwood. In Frank Walsh's government Dunstan held the position of Attorney-General and Minister of Community Welfare and Aboriginal Affairs. When Mr Walsh retired as premier in 1967 Dunstan was elected leader of the Labor Party. In 1970 he was elected Premier, and thus began the so-called "Dunstan decade", which ended with Dunstan's resignation from politics, amidst the death of his wife Adele, and the controversy surrounding the sacking of Police Commissioner Harold Salisbury, in 1979.

During his premiership South Australia was socially transformed. Among Dunstan"s many reforms were those concerned with Aboriginal land rights, equal opportunities, consumer protection, and the restructuring of electoral law. He also encouraged a flourishing of the arts, with support for the Adelaide Festival Centre, the State Theatre Company, and the establishment of the South Australian Film Corporation.
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For those who say Don Dunstan did nothing please feel free to post your rebuttals.

And gay bashers leave your brownshirt at the door. As to those rumours of his involvement with a paedophilia gang.. yes thats all they are rumours.
 

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Best Premier from what I have read would be Neville Wran up there in NSW..sure he had a lot of problems across many fields, but, from what I have read about him, he seemed to make the state as strong as possible.

Worst Premier is Sir Joh..the most corrupt politican in Australaian history..big call I know, but, geez he had no idea at the end
There was just as much corruption under Wran and Askin as there was under Joh. Remember Dale Flannery and Rogerson, the manly police, illegal casinos etc.

At least Joh knew how to run a balanced budget whilst at the same time having outstanding infrastructure. Wran left Unsworth to cop it in the neck.
 

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I don't know why you bother medhead, your views cannot not be un-biased and to call Joh a great premier your tripping, he was the worst easily
Absolute and utter nonsense. Feel free to call me biased but how can you forget the legacy of Bannon, Burke and Kirner. All caused thousands of investors to get fleeced and came close to bankrupting their states. Not only that but Burke did porridge. Thats without even mentioning Jack Lang. Joh's economic record over a long period of time was outstanding. He transformed Queensland from a backwater into what it is today. Sure there was corruption associated with development of coastal areas in particular but as someone else noted even in Victoria under the super honest Cain land was rezoned to suit the right individuals. It happened and happens everywhere in Australia particularly at council level. Why are there so many brothels under the boundaries of Yarra Council? Because cash changed hands. It happens.

Funny how the media didnt attack Burke and Wran for corruption while they were in power. Nor did The Age ever get stuck in to Kirner when it was obvious she was rapidly destroying the state.

To this day Queensland has low taxes and is still well run. Now why would that be?
 

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Absolute and utter nonsense. Feel free to call me biased but how can you forget the legacy of Bannon, Burke and Kirner. All caused thousands of investors to get fleeced and came close to bankrupting their states.
And Joh was a corrupt bastard, so what's the difference?

medusala said:
Not only that but Burke did porridge. Thats without even mentioning Jack Lang. Joh's economic record over a long period of time was outstanding. He transformed Queensland from a backwater into what it is today. Sure there was corruption associated with development of coastal areas in particular but as someone else noted even in Victoria under the super honest Cain land was rezoned to suit the right individuals. It happened and happens everywhere in Australia particularly at council level. Why are there so many brothels under the boundaries of Yarra Council? Because cash changed hands. It happens.
The Fitzgerald enquiry uncovered a lot of corruption in QLD. It started from the top and trickled it's way down. Joh was dishonest and his Party still was tossed out of office by the electorate. Seems many Queenslanders do not share your view.

medusala said:
Funny how the media didnt attack Burke and Wran for corruption while they were in power. Nor did The Age ever get stuck in to Kirner when it was obvious she was rapidly destroying the state.
Crap, had your head in the sand? Burke and Kirner were bent over by the media. You would like to think that any ALP pollie in office is corrupt. It's like saying Kennett was corrupt, but you wont hear negativity about your blueblood heroes.

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To this day Queensland has low taxes and is still well run. Now why would that be?
ALP under Goss and Beatie, though you won't like to admit that and believe your delusional rubbish instead.
 

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And Joh was a corrupt bastard, so what's the difference?

The Fitzgerald enquiry uncovered a lot of corruption in QLD. It started from the top and trickled it's way down. Joh was dishonest and his Party still was tossed out of office by the electorate. Seems many Queenslanders do not share your view.

Crap, had your head in the sand? Burke and Kirner were bent over by the media. You would like to think that any ALP pollie in office is corrupt. It's like saying Kennett was corrupt, but you wont hear negativity about your blueblood heroes.

ALP under Goss and Beatie, though you won't like to admit that and believe your delusional rubbish instead.
The huge difference was that Joh was light years ahead of the others in economic management. There was no WA Inc, Pyramid, State Bank etc under his watch.

I have repeatedly said that Cain was an honest man. I dont think all ALP pollies are corrupt nor that all Libs are clean skins. I mentioned above that Askin in NSW was extremely dodgy. Maybe you should read other peoples posts a bit more carefully.

I have also said that Goss and Beattie get an honourable mention in the best premier category!!! Another example of you completely ignoring what I said. However they inherited a state with the lowest taxes and the best infrastructure of any state. Even Bracks hasnt been able to bugger Victoria yet.
 

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The huge difference was that Joh was light years ahead of the others in economic management. There was no WA Inc, Pyramid, State Bank etc under his watch.

I have repeatedly said that Cain was an honest man. I dont think all ALP pollies are corrupt nor that all Libs are clean skins. I mentioned above that Askin in NSW was extremely dodgy. Maybe you should read other peoples posts a bit more carefully.

I have also said that Goss and Beattie get an honourable mention in the best premier category!!! Another example of you completely ignoring what I said. However they inherited a state with the lowest taxes and the best infrastructure of any state. Even Bracks hasnt been able to bugger Victoria yet.
joh was corrupt, his govt was corrupt, they were UNDEMOCRATIC, they were thieves, and included rapists, murderers, gangsters etc.

I know all govts have similar scum, but johs was by far the worst in Australian history.

russ hinze was probably the worst of the slime, followed by joh himself.

no doubt they'll meet in hell if you go for that sort of thing.
 

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Just out of Curiosity Medulsala whats your opinion of Ray O'Conner? You've mentioned Brian Burke quite a bit but not him??
 

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The huge difference was that Joh was light years ahead of the others in economic management. There was no WA Inc, Pyramid, State Bank etc under his watch.
I won't go as far as Dan but he was as corrupt.

The reason there was no Pyramid etc is as follows.

Suncorp Bank and Metway (sort of a bank with insurance) etc etc were all 100% government owned as are all the utilities (STill). If they needed money the government poured it in. To add to that the Government still runs the biggest super fund in QLD; if any of its businesses need money they go to the Queensland treasury corp, a 100% (still) government owned Quasi merchant bank that goes overseas or nationally for cash.

Add to this that the government gets disproportinate funding from the feds, enormous mining roalties and Qld rail charges the mine to build the railways to the mines and then charges the mines over the top charges for running the trains (this is changing - like WA the mining companies may soon be able to run thier own railways). QLD Rail is the only railway to make a profit, because it acts like a monopoly.

If the Government needs money they just pour it back out of there monopoly businesses. This still happens, Beatie last year because the budget didn't balance made the two electricity retailers pour out 100's million back into the Government. The Retailers didn't make a profit any where in the region of what the government pulled out so they had to borrow it, and because of that thier asset replacement programs are way behing so queenslanders will have to put up with a lot of blackouts in the next ten years.

Under Joh if you did business in QLD you were doing business with the QLD government, the corruption and slush funds were alive and well.
 
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