Best from 2002 Draft?

[The Zebra]

Sounds like yout describing Jason Laycock, funnily enough taken with the pick straight after Hamish.

Hopefully he can string more than a couple of games together before breaking down.

Yeah - I liked the look of Laycock early on - certainly looked like he could kick a goal and was pretty mobile.

Their stats are pretty similiar too, except Laycock has played a few games in each season whereas Hamish played the majority of his this year.

What is Laycock's injury? Are you confident of him coming on and being a good player?

 

[The Zebra]

Interesting.

If the idiots who couldn't resist voting for their own player were eliminated, the results would now stand:

Wells ------> 11 votes
Goodard ---> 9 votes
Selwood ---> 9 votes
Simpson ---> 4 votes

That's right, 9 of Simpson's 13 votes have come from Carlton supporters and 7 of Selwood's 16 votes have come from Eagles.

How can two sets of supporters - whose teams sit at opposite ends of the ladder - be so similarly insecure?



That might be my next poll.

 

[Portia]

Simpson is very lucky to be playing at a club as crap as Carlton.

 

[dave_27]

Yeah - I liked the look of Laycock early on - certainly looked like he could kick a goal and was pretty mobile.

Their stats are pretty similiar too, except Laycock has played a few games in each season whereas Hamish played the majority of his this year.

What is Laycock's injury? Are you confident of him coming on and being a good player?

He's had everything. shoulders, knees, ankles, thankfully he is doing close to a full pre season atm for the first time since he came to the club.

We'll see how long he lasts though.

If his body holds up then Im certain he will atleast be a better player than Hille.

He was rated just behind Hamish pre draft as the best ruck/forward, would love to see Laycock V McIntosh in round 7.

 

[parrot]

Interesting.

If the idiots who couldn't resist voting for their own player were eliminated, the results would now sta....

.... be so similarly insecure?



That might be my next poll.

Why don't you start another poll and have another hissy fit if people don't vote the way you want them to. Insecure indeed.

 

[parrot]

He's had everything. shoulders, knees, ankles, thankfully he is doing close to a full pre season atm for the first time since he came to the club.

We'll see how long he lasts though.

If his body holds up then Im certain he will atleast be a better player than Hille.

He was rated just behind Hamish pre draft as the best ruck/forward, would love to see Laycock V McIntosh in round 7.

Laycock's problem is his unbelievable slowness. When I first saw him play I thought he was carrying a severe injury, but soon realised that is the way he is. He was the slowest at draft camp, and not much has changed. He's great overhead and good in the ruck, but lacks the mobility of a modern day ruck.

 

[dave_27]

When I first saw him play I thought he was carrying a severe injury, but soon realised that is the way he is.

Was this before or after he took mark of the round on debut against the blues.

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

Laycock's problem is his unbelievable slowness. When I first saw him play I thought he was carrying a severe injury, but soon realised that is the way he is. He was the slowest at draft camp, and not much has changed. He's great overhead and good in the ruck, but lacks the mobility of a modern day ruck.

I tihnk this is more consequential of his injuries....he is currently having a solid pre season, quote below from early November....

"17 players have commenced training this week with the balance of the squad to return next Monday. Among the early starters have been a number of players that underwent post-season surgery, including Andrew Lovett, Jason Laycock and Henry Slattery."

Hopefully this will allow him to work on what you have highlighted - his speed and mobility....he's certianly a footballer, not an athlete...but a good pre season might just minimise the gap.....fingers crossed as I am sure he will give both our ruck and forward line a formidable boost!!

 

[F-U]

Simpson is a part of the many "no talent" Carlton midfield brigade. They rack up posessions cos quite simply someone has too. I put Heath Scotland Nick Stevens in this category too. AFL rejects who got a lifeline at Carlton. If they want to lift themselves of 16th (they dont) then they would of delisted this trio a long time ago

 

[LukeHodge15]

Give me a break.

Selwood in the same company as Goddard and Wells. I dont think so

 

[juddy_Like]

Give me a break.

Selwood in the same company as Goddard and Wells. I dont think so

Would you rather have a Highly skilled, rare talent in Wells who plays a good game every 10 yrs. Or
Have a kid that has less talent and does less flashier things but you know you will get a decent game from him 95% of the time.

Im not saying Wells is garbage or Selwoods a mini Judd, just pointing out how were more than happy with the kid we picked up.

 

[LukeHodge15]

I'll put it to u then.

Would u trade Selwood for Wells.

Im guessing that u would in a heartbeat. Wells is a Match Winner and Selwood a handy average footballer.

I shouldnt be using Wells and Selwood in the same sentence.

 

[gandaal]

Would you rather have a Highly skilled, rare talent in Wells who plays a good game every 10 yrs. Or
Have a kid that has less talent and does less flashier things but you know you will get a decent game from him 95% of the time.

Im not saying Wells is garbage or Selwoods a mini Judd, just pointing out how were more than happy with the kid we picked up.

An average Wells is still better than a good Selwood game.

Had to be said.

 

[juddy_Like]

I'll put it to u then.

Would u trade Selwood for Wells.

Im guessing that u would in a heartbeat. Wells is a Match Winner and Selwood a handy average footballer.

I shouldnt be using Wells and Selwood in the same sentence.

Yes i would (coming home factor might help). But i wouldnt do it in a heartbeat. Which is my point. People will think twice these days. Heck somepeople wouldnt do it at all (I wouldnt think the Eagles would either).

But before the Draft, people would of picked Wells over Selwood 100% of the time. Heck they would of picked the other one before Adam. Yes Wells is a match winner but so is Brennan and i dont see why people havnt brought hes name up.

I wouldnt say Selwood is a handy average player as hes dead set versatile. And the fact hes Top 5 in the B & F in a Premiership team should also tell you something as well.

 

[juddy_Like]

An average Wells is still better than a good Selwood game.

Had to be said.

You obviously dont watch much eagles games.

Its like a bad Scarlett game is better than a good Presti game.

 

[mudgeathon]

Yes i would (coming home factor might help). But i wouldnt do it in a heartbeat. Which is my point. People will think twice these days. Heck somepeople wouldnt do it at all (I wouldnt think the Eagles would either).

But before the Draft, people would of picked Wells over Selwood 100% of the time. Heck they would of picked the other one before Adam. Yes Wells is a match winner but so is Brennan and i dont see why people havnt brought hes name up.

I wouldnt say Selwood is a handy average player as hes dead set versatile. And the fact hes Top 5 in the B & F in a Premiership team should also tell you something as well.

Selwood beat Daniel Kerr , Dean Cox , Wirrapanda, Hunter, Braun, Embley, Chad Fletcher, Lynch and etc

yet people rate Daniel '1 good game in every 5' Wells, and Brendan 'I've never got a contested possesion' Goddard miles ahead of him, were in fact he is just as good

 

[parrot]

An average Wells is still better than a good Selwood game.

Had to be said.

Absolutely. Amazed how anyone could compare a midfield tagger like Selwood, to a player of the quality of Wells. There is an extra-ordinary talent taper after Judd in the Weagles midfield. Really not sure if this Weagles Judd-one-man-game-plan is sustainable. Only takes one injury, and the house of cards tumbles.

 

[jom09]

Absolutely. Amazed how anyone could compare a midfield tagger like Selwood, to a player of the quality of Wells. There is an extra-ordinary talent taper after Judd in the Weagles midfield. Really not sure if this Weagles Judd-one-man-game-plan is sustainable. Only takes one injury, and the house of cards tumbles.

What would happen to carlton if fevola got injured, would they even win a game?

 

[lids2004roar]

What would happen to carlton if fevola got injured, would they even win a game?

Yeah... because they won every game when he's NOT injured...

 

[The Zebra]

Would you rather have a Highly skilled, rare talent in Wells who plays a good game every 10 yrs. Or
Have a kid that has less talent and does less flashier things but you know you will get a decent game from him 95% of the time.
.

yet people rate Daniel '1 good game in every 5' Wells, and Brendan 'I've never got a contested possesion' Goddard miles ahead of him, were in fact he is just as good

Again - this is bullshiit.

Wells might be inconsistent with - the roaring goals out of mid air or 8 high speed runs through the centre for goals/set-ups or at the siren goals from 55 on angle to win the game - i.e. the stuff Selwood has not and will not ever do - but in the games when he does not display these heroics he is still at a very good level.

As I mentioned before - he has finished top 10 in three B&F's in his first four years of footy. Of those, he has two top 5 finishes. He finished 4th in 2004 when he was 19. In the same year Selwood only managed 3 games - and in all Wells' years but 2007 north have won more than 10 games, and finished 5th after h&A in 2005 - so these are not like Carlton B&F placings.

Plus Wells has been doing this with a heavy tag.

He is already better than Selwood over a whole season - but if he does reach that level where he produces the ball burster (rather than good) game every week - he blows him that far out of the water it isn't funny.

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

Again - this is bullshiit.

Wells might be inconsistent with - the roaring goals out of mid air or 8 high speed runs through the centre for goals/set-ups or at the siren goals from 55 on angle to win the game - i.e. the stuff Selwood has not and will not ever do - but in the games when he does not display these heroics he is still at a very good level.

As I mentioned before - he has finished top 10 in three B&F's in his first four years of footy. Of those, he has two top 5 finishes. He finished 4th in 2004 when he was 19. In the same year Selwood only managed 3 games - and in all Wells' years but 2007 north have won more than 10 games, and finished 5th after h&A in 2005 - so these are not like Carlton B&F placings.

Plus Wells has been doing this with a heavy tag.

He is already better than Selwood over a whole season - but if he does reach that level where he produces the ball burster (rather than good) game every week - he blows him that far out of the water it isn't funny.

This is the most accurate summary of the two's abilities I've read in this thread...

 

[rick James]

Rivers would probably have the most value trade-wise at this point in time.

21 year old CHB's that are proven at the highest level and get the second most 1%ers in the comp don't grow on trees.

That said I'd enjoy having Wells on a wing for the Demons. He hasn't got a heap of midfield support at North and he could be really freed up if he played for a substantially better side.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

What would happen to carlton if fevola got injured, would they even win a game?

Since 2002, Carlton are 3-16 without Fevola, which comes to a winning percentage of 16%.

Considering that Carlton's winning percentage over that same period isn't much better, at just 22%, I'd say it's a push whether he actually helps all that much in the winning department.

 

[FIGJAM]

Wells has been carying injuries and still shows some dazzle on a regular basis, sometimes match-winning (well it would be if he had better cattle around him). His kicking is inconsistent, but can at times be damaging.

As for a bloke like Selwood getting Top 5 ahead of the likes of Cox & Kerr, who gives a ******** and how relevant is a B&F? Clubmen who perform roles valiently often get votes over the matchwinners or more talented players. Wells is a cut above him and always will be.

Goddard and Rivers (with Wells) would round out my top 3, with Selwood, Simpson and Watson forming the second tier. Minson & McIntosh are both still very raw, as rucks are at that age, but have potential (I'd argue to become second tier at best).

 

[Z_K]

Wells is our best player. Considering the role he plays, the side he plays in and the damage he does with the footy, he is the best of this lot. And I care little for Zebra's 'rules', as he is an arse clown.

Goddard is good at his job. But he has it easy, really.

Selwood is a very valuable, hard nosed tagger who would get a spot in every side.

Watson is an inside mid with limited damage potential who only really has a year under his belt. Will be better judged after 2007.

Same with Simpson to a certain extent. Can play.

Rivers is a good player. Best KP of the lot by far.

Minson will be a useful 2nd ruck.

McIntosh has heaps of upside. Will be a very, very good ruckman. Runs the ground well, excellent tap work that is improving, comfortable up forward, kicked some great goals in 2006. Would be top 5 in my list of must keeps at North.

Salopek is a sound, neat ball getter who generally uses it well. Glimpses of real quality occasionaly. I like him.