Best from 2002 Draft?

[kane249]

Perhaps another Weagles supporter insecurity complex. Selwood's a tagger - a good one, but still a tagger. Why on Earth would you choose a tagger over a much more talented match-winner like Wells? I think the genesis of this insecurity is the sharp post-Judd midfield talent taper. Quite funny

If Wells is a much more talented match winner, why did you vote for Kade Simpson?

I think the genesis is people tend to vote for the players from their own team regardless, Quite Funny

 

[rick James]

hmm well, I can understand Wells being first, he's an awesome talent but Rivers should definitely be second from Goddard and Selwood.

 

[Z_K]

hmm well, I can understand Wells being first, he's an awesome talent but Rivers should definitely be second from Goddard and Selwood.

Absolutely.

Goddard is a great kick and had a good 2006, but until he plays in a meaningful, match winning position instead of mopping up HBF crumbs and being responsible for an opponent, he has no claims to be anything other than being a very ugly Jess Sinclair rip off.

 

[parrot]

hmm well, I can understand Wells being first, he's an awesome talent but Rivers should definitely be second from Goddard and Selwood.

Rivers is a 191 cm defender of average, to just above average ability. Hence his spectacular demise after his under-the-radar debut season. Hardly a concern to any opposition forwards, and usually plays wide, leaving the heavy marking contests to his team-mates. Just not in the same talent class as a Goddard or Wells.

 

[rick James]

Absolutely.

Goddard is a great kick and had a good 2006, but until he plays in a meaningful, match winning position instead of mopping up HBF crumbs and being responsible for an opponent, he has no claims to be anything other than being a very ugly Jess Sinclair rip off.

Agree, for comparitive purposes, the player for Melbourne who fulfils Goddard's role is Daniel Ward, who everyone thought was finished at AFL level prior to 2006.

Ward also racked up a few 30+ possession games and his stats looked nice but it isnt' a hard position to play.

Also, when we play North we put James McDonald (all australian tagger) on Daniel Wells - when we play St Kilda Goddard is an after thought.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

pick 8 - luke brennan, i am pretty sure it was that draft

 

[Big Cox]

pick 8 - luke brennan, i am pretty sure it was that draft

CHICKY BABE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Best.trade.ever

 

[Z_K]

BTW, Shannon Grant is a quality footballer with a good record over a long period. He was a matchwinner in 2005.

But Brad Johnson is a champion and one of the best footballers of his generation IMO. A superstar.

Differen't classes of player IMO.

 

[juddy_Like]

Rivers is a 191 cm defender of average, to just above average ability. Hence his spectacular demise after his under-the-radar debut season. Hardly a concern to any opposition forwards, and usually plays wide, leaving the heavy marking contests to his team-mates. Just not in the same talent class as a Goddard or Wells.

Whats your fascination with natural ability???? Yeah it helps but what good is it if you cant piece A to B together. Rivers is not an average player. In hes only injury-free year he won the Rising Star quite convincinly. Playing in arguably the hardest position on the ground. Still average???? Just wait until the bloke walks onto the park 100% mate.

Wells il leave alone as iv said my peace plenty of times already.
We'll go onto Goddard. All the talent in the world. One of the best kicks in the comp. Both feet mind-you. Yes hes had a good 06 season in which hes stats have been severvly inflated due to the amount of cheap ball he racks up in the defensive half. But lets leave stats alone. Parrot mate.... ask yourself this.... how many games does Goddard turn through sheer brillience??? Shouldnt you be expecting this from the cream of the crop?

ANd since you like comparing players... Do you think Goddard and Wells are the next Hird and Harvey respectively???

 

[mad-saint-guy]

We'll go onto Goddard. All the talent in the world. One of the best kicks in the comp. Both feet mind-you. Yes hes had a good 06 season in which hes stats have been severvly inflated due to the amount of cheap ball he racks up in the defensive half. But lets leave stats alone. Parrot mate.... ask yourself this.... how many games does Goddard turn through sheer brillience??? Shouldnt you be expecting this from the cream of the crop?

He hasn't turned any matches around and led his team to remarkable victories, but can you really expect that from a 21 year old? Judd and Riewoldt are the only players I can name that have been genuine stars of the competition in their first 3 years of footy. Look at Luke Hodge. Hawthorn supporters copped an enormous amount of crap from opposition fans about picking Hodge the hack at one before Judd, Ball and Sampi. Once he's got a few years of experience he is now one of the best players in the league.

Far too much is expected from draftees these days, and thats because of Judd and Riewoldt, who both raised the bar to an unreachable level for draftees in their first few seasons. Every top 10 pick will now be scrutinized unless they have a few BOG performances by their 3rd season.

Goddard will move up the ground this year and I think he will play in an Adam Goodes type role, being the player that always creates an option around the ground but can move into the centre square and have a huge impact in the clearances. Goddard has spent his few years learning the game, copped a shytload of critisizm and is now mature enough to put his talents to use.

 

[rick James]

He hasn't turned any matches around and led his team to remarkable victories, but can you really expect that from a 21 year old? Judd and Riewoldt are the only players I can name that have been genuine stars of the competition in their first 3 years of footy. Look at Luke Hodge. Hawthorn supporters copped an enormous amount of crap from opposition fans about picking Hodge the hack at one before Judd, Ball and Sampi. Once he's got a few years of experience he is now one of the best players in the league.

Far too much is expected from draftees these days, and thats because of Judd and Riewoldt, who both raised the bar to an unreachable level for draftees in their first few seasons. Every top 10 pick will now be scrutinized unless they have a few BOG performances by their 3rd season.

Goddard will move up the ground this year and I think he will play in an Adam Goodes type role, being the player that always creates an option around the ground but can move into the centre square and have a huge impact in the clearances. Goddard has spent his few years learning the game, copped a shytload of critisizm and is now mature enough to put his talents to use.

Brock McLean is only 20 and he won us a final against your mob. So yes, you can expect highly rated youngsters to do such things. IF they're good enough to.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Brock McLean is only 20 and he won us a final against your mob. So yes, you can expect highly rated youngsters to do such things. IF they're good enough to.

Brock McLean is an above average onballer that was one of a number of contributors against a side with no interchange bench. McLean did make 7 errors from 25 disposals that night, so I wouldn't say he won it for you. Jeff White, Cameron Bruce, David Neitz, Luke Ball and Sam Fisher were all better than McLean that night. Harvey was going alright with 20 possessions at half time as well but he did his hammy early in the third quarter.

I said that only Judd and Riewoldt were stars of the competition by 21, not simply good players.

 

[parrot]

Whats your fascination with natural ability???? Yeah it helps but what good is it if you cant piece A to B together. Rivers is not an average player. In hes only injury-free year he won the Rising Star quite convincinly...

I think your analysis would be helped if you watch some footy matches. Watch how Rivers plays. He mostly plays wide of his man, which looks good when his team-mates effect a good spoil on his direct oponent, allowing him to receive and effect a clearance, but this unaccountablity has really been targeted by opposition following his debut season, and is a factor behind his demise. Also, at 191cm he hardly has the attributes to take on the big CHF's. A good player yes, but not too much more.

 

[goalpie]

So you pretty much need 5 really good players or above and fill the rest of the team in with garbage. From your judging criteria, Carlton will win the premiership in a year or two.

Troll.

Not like Carltons brilliant midfield hence why they won the wooden spoon and the Eagles won the premiership.

 

[rick James]

I think your analysis would be helped if you watch some footy matches. Watch how Rivers plays. He mostly plays wide of his man, which looks good when his team-mates effect a good spoil on his direct oponent, allowing him to receive and effect a clearance, but this unaccountablity has really been targeted by opposition following his debut season, and is a factor behind his demise. Also, at 191cm he hardly has the attributes to take on the big CHF's. A good player yes, but not too much more.

Rivers was second in the comp for spoils last year buddy.

 

[rick James]

Brock McLean is an above average onballer that was one of a number of contributors against a side with no interchange bench. McLean did make 7 errors from 25 disposals that night, so I wouldn't say he won it for you. Jeff White, Cameron Bruce, David Neitz, Luke Ball and Sam Fisher were all better than McLean that night. Harvey was going alright with 20 possessions at half time as well but he did his hammy early in the third quarter.

I said that only Judd and Riewoldt were stars of the competition by 21, not simply good players.

He's won us other games as well, notably against Sydney in 2005 at the SCG when he was just 19. He was also BOG in our win over St Kilda in 2006 at the G, and our win over Port at the G and there's at least another 5 or 6 games I can think of where he was our best, match winning, player.

"No interchange bench" is a great excuse, considering all but one of those injuries were accrued DURING play, one such example was Koschitzke getting knocked out by Brock McLean. OH there's that name again, Brock McLean.

 

[Upgrayedd]

He's won us other games as well, notably against Sydney in 2005 at the SCG when he was just 19. He was also BOG in our win over St Kilda in 2006 at the G, and our win over Port at the G and there's at least another 5 or 6 games I can think of where he was our best, match winning, player.

"No interchange bench" is a great excuse, considering all but one of those injuries were accrued DURING play, one such example was Koschitzke getting knocked out by Brock McLean. OH there's that name again, Brock McLean.

knocking out Kosi isnt a huge achievement, if he collided with my 86 year old grandma i bet he would come out second best
but he did play a damn good game

 

[rick James]

knocking out Kosi isnt a huge achievement, if he collided with my 86 year old grandma i bet he would come out second best
but he did play a damn good game

I agree I just find it ludicrous that St Kilad fans use those injuries as an excuse considering all but one of them was inflicted by Mel;bourne being harder at teh ball and the man.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

McLean is good, but he is not Judd or Riewoldt. This is the same senario as me saying Dane Swan, at 22, is a superstar of the game. He single handedly won us a few matches last year.

 

[rick James]

McLean is good, but he is not Judd or Riewoldt. This is the same senario as me saying Dane Swan, at 22, is a superstar of the game. He single handedly won us a few matches last year.

No he isn't, but he has won matches, which is what teh argument was.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

for some reason i can't edit that last post but I meant to say even though Swan did all those things, he and McLean, are an Indian Ocean behind Nick and Chris

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Oh, Ok soz

 

[rick James]

for some reason i can't edit that last post but I meant to say even though Swan did all those things, he and McLean, are an Indian Ocean behind Nick and Chris

McLean is much closer to them, than Swan

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Yeah
he is
i agree there

 

[mad-saint-guy]

He's won us other games as well, notably against Sydney in 2005 at the SCG when he was just 19. He was also BOG in our win over St Kilda in 2006 at the G, and our win over Port at the G and there's at least another 5 or 6 games I can think of where he was our best, match winning, player.

"No interchange bench" is a great excuse, considering all but one of those injuries were accrued DURING play, one such example was Koschitzke getting knocked out by Brock McLean. OH there's that name again, Brock McLean.

David Neitz was easily BOG against St Kilda, and McLean wasn't in the top 3 players against Sydney or Port.

And McLean didn't knock Kosi out, Kosi actually broke his helmet and had to wait for a new one before he could go back on the ground.

No he isn't, but he has won matches, which is what teh argument was

No, my initial post said that only Judd and Riewoldt established themselves as genuine superstars of the comp in their first 3 seasons. If you're going for players that have won games you can add Mark Lecras, Mark McGough, Jason Laycock, Andrew Lovett and Dean Polo to McLean's level.