Best grand final of the modern era (since 1998)

Best grand final of the modern era/since 1998

  • 2007 - Geelong vs Port Adelaide

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  • 2013 - Hawthorn vs Fremantle

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  • 2015 - Hawthorn vs West Coast

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  • 2019 - Richmond vs GWS

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  • Total voters
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Seeds

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Seeds that is just not correct now is it, not even nearly correct, you should be ashamed of yourself. 😂😂

Let me give you the full history of this, and these are just the bits I know for a fact……🧐🤓😎

1859 Geelong is formed and finishes runner-up in a two team competition playing under its own rules. This is key, it shows since the outset the club only wanted things on their terms rules-wise.

1860 After being trounced playing under its won rules the Cats cried foul and demanded their captain be allowed to make adjudications. Imagine how many flags the Cats would have won in recent years if Joel Cheatwood was able to umpire.

The club also demanded free kicks for tripping, hacking and holding be introduced when their regular simulations were found to be pointless as there was no banning the actions being simulated.

1889. Cats seething after b2b Grand Final losses. Demanded the following slew of seemingly pointless rule changes after the Cats had trouble defending centre kick offs. Geelong were also clearly paranoid about goal umpires inventing scores that never happened.

Player kicking off from centre required to cover a minimum forward distance of 18.2m.

Goal umpires required to inform field umpire of all scoring decisions.

Players unnecessarily delaying disposal from marks or kick-offs were deprived of possession and a ball-up resulted.



1953 During the season on their way to finishing runner-up the Cats whinged other teams were getting advantage from trainers delivering coaches messages to players so had this practice banned. Little good it did them.


1968 After the Tigers handed the Cats a humiliating defeat in the 67 decider Geelong moaned opponents were not returning the ball to them on a sliver platter when they were awarded a mark or free kick. So it was made an offence to not do so.


1990 After losing the Grand Final in 89 to a Hawthorn team who finished the match with about one fit player on the field, Geelong whinged that the compulsory kick(rather than choice of kick or handball) after being awarded a free kick had cost their wide running receivers the opportunity to have any impact on the Grand Final and so the compulsory kick for a free kick was dropped.

1995 After the Cats had lost 2 Grand Finals in 3 years they lobbied the AFL with typical whining fervour and secured the following raft of rule changes:

Revised system of adding time-on. Recorded when boundary or goal umpires signal, until the next act of play.

Tripping by hand becomes reportable. Penalty: Free & 50 metres.

Tripping by foot remains reportable. Additional penalty: Free & 50 metres.

Player must kick ball back into play following the scoring of a behind immediately after one warning from field umpire. Penalty for delay: Ball-up on centre of kick-off line.

Player kicking in after a behind is allowed to kick ball clear of hand and foot within the goal-square before playing on.


Little good it did, as they again lost the Grad Final in 1995. But true to form, they squealed their way to yet another staggering array of pointless rule changes for the 1996 season:
Any player receiving treatment from medical staff required to be removed from centre square prior to centre bounce.

Protected area around player taking set disposal from free or mark changed from 10-metre semi-circle to five-metre corridor on either side.

Amendment in the interpretation of the holding ball law. If player has had a prior opportunity to dispose, he must kick or handball immediately once tackled.

Deliberate tripping by hand incurred a free plus 50-metre penalty. The offence was no longer reportable.


2008. You guessed it, after another Grand Final loss the Cats sook their way to another encyclopaedia of rule changes:
Umpires empowered to recall an errant bounce at a stoppage and replace it with a throw-up.

Penalty for interchange rule violation became a free kick, plus a 50-metre penalty from wherever play is stopped.

A free kick paid against a player engaged in any form of misconduct.

The scoreline to be aligned with the back of the goalpost padding.

A player in possession of the ball, when the play is stopped for stretcher usage, to retain it when the game restarts.

If an umpire impedes a player when setting the mark for a shot at goal, play to be stopped and the mark to be re-set to avoid a disadvantage.

After the all-clear is given for a score and an infringement against the defending team occurs before play restarts, the free kick to be taken either where the infringement occurs or 50 metres from the kick-off line, whichever is to the advantage of that team.


2020. Another Grand Final loss and yet another startling array of Geelong demanded rule alterations as follows:

1) A maximum of 75 total player interchanges per match
Rotations will decrease from 90 per match in 2020 to 75 per match in 2021. Each team will continue to be permitted four interchange players.


2) Player Standing The Mark
The defending Player will only be permitted minimal lateral movement on The Mark. If the defending player moves off The Mark in any direction prior to “Play On” being called, a 50-metre penalty will apply. The defensive team is unable to substitute the Player on The Mark.


3) Location of The Mark at Kick Ins
The Mark shall be set at 15 metres from the centre of the Kick-Off Line towards the centre of the ground at Kick Ins. This was previously set at 10 metres.



So Geelong demanded rule changes just that we know of after being runner-up = 29 rules. Remember they were Geelong’s rules to start with ffs.

Geelong Premierships the year after all these idiotic rule changes they whinged their way to after finishing runner-up = zero.

Just stop it Geelong.

Seeds you need to own your club’s rule meddling excuse making ways, not try to pretend it is not happening. 😁
This is quite possibly the greatest big footy post of all time. The commitment to the argument, the research, multiple 19th century obscure references that no one could possibly verify or even care about, the gross taking observations out of context and spinning them into a magnificent web that fits your argument.

its effing brilliant. :thumbsu::thumbsu:
 

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Meteoric Rise

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This is quite possibly the greatest big footy post of all time. The commitment to the argument, the research, multiple 19th century obscure references that no one could possibly verify or even care about, the gross taking observations out of context and spinning them into a magnificent web that fits your argument.

its effing brilliant. :thumbsu::thumbsu:

You can verify all those rules changes easily Seedy, don’t be lazy. 😉
 

Ricky Vaughn

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I forgot you lot actually won some flags in there too, notice not some many rule changes those years. 🤨

Probably because we used all our influence getting this done.

Any player receiving treatment from medical staff required to be removed from centre square prior to centre bounce.
 

cutterman

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2011 is criminally underrated. The best three quarters of footy that you're ever likely to see, and suffers because of the blowout in the last. Varcoe's goal keeps that last quarter in the highlights package
 

threesixpio

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Jun 28, 2013
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Seeds that is just not correct now is it, not even nearly correct, you should be ashamed of yourself. 😂😂

Let me give you the full history of this, and these are just the bits I know for a fact……🧐🤓😎

1859 Geelong is formed and finishes runner-up in a two team competition playing under its own rules. This is key, it shows since the outset the club only wanted things on their terms rules-wise.

1860 After being trounced playing under its won rules the Cats cried foul and demanded their captain be allowed to make adjudications. Imagine how many flags the Cats would have won in recent years if Joel Cheatwood was able to umpire.

The club also demanded free kicks for tripping, hacking and holding be introduced when their regular simulations were found to be pointless as there was no banning the actions being simulated.

1889. Cats seething after b2b Grand Final losses. Demanded the following slew of seemingly pointless rule changes after the Cats had trouble defending centre kick offs. Geelong were also clearly paranoid about goal umpires inventing scores that never happened.

Player kicking off from centre required to cover a minimum forward distance of 18.2m.

Goal umpires required to inform field umpire of all scoring decisions.

Players unnecessarily delaying disposal from marks or kick-offs were deprived of possession and a ball-up resulted.



1953 During the season on their way to finishing runner-up the Cats whinged other teams were getting advantage from trainers delivering coaches messages to players so had this practice banned. Little good it did them.


1968 After the Tigers handed the Cats a humiliating defeat in the 67 decider Geelong moaned opponents were not returning the ball to them on a sliver platter when they were awarded a mark or free kick. So it was made an offence to not do so.


1990 After losing the Grand Final in 89 to a Hawthorn team who finished the match with about one fit player on the field, Geelong whinged that the compulsory kick(rather than choice of kick or handball) after being awarded a free kick had cost their wide running receivers the opportunity to have any impact on the Grand Final and so the compulsory kick for a free kick was dropped.

1995 After the Cats had lost 2 Grand Finals in 3 years they lobbied the AFL with typical whining fervour and secured the following raft of rule changes:

Revised system of adding time-on. Recorded when boundary or goal umpires signal, until the next act of play.

Tripping by hand becomes reportable. Penalty: Free & 50 metres.

Tripping by foot remains reportable. Additional penalty: Free & 50 metres.

Player must kick ball back into play following the scoring of a behind immediately after one warning from field umpire. Penalty for delay: Ball-up on centre of kick-off line.

Player kicking in after a behind is allowed to kick ball clear of hand and foot within the goal-square before playing on.


Little good it did, as they again lost the Grad Final in 1995. But true to form, they squealed their way to yet another staggering array of pointless rule changes for the 1996 season:
Any player receiving treatment from medical staff required to be removed from centre square prior to centre bounce.

Protected area around player taking set disposal from free or mark changed from 10-metre semi-circle to five-metre corridor on either side.

Amendment in the interpretation of the holding ball law. If player has had a prior opportunity to dispose, he must kick or handball immediately once tackled.

Deliberate tripping by hand incurred a free plus 50-metre penalty. The offence was no longer reportable.


2008. You guessed it, after another Grand Final loss the Cats sook their way to another encyclopaedia of rule changes:
Umpires empowered to recall an errant bounce at a stoppage and replace it with a throw-up.

Penalty for interchange rule violation became a free kick, plus a 50-metre penalty from wherever play is stopped.

A free kick paid against a player engaged in any form of misconduct.

The scoreline to be aligned with the back of the goalpost padding.

A player in possession of the ball, when the play is stopped for stretcher usage, to retain it when the game restarts.

If an umpire impedes a player when setting the mark for a shot at goal, play to be stopped and the mark to be re-set to avoid a disadvantage.

After the all-clear is given for a score and an infringement against the defending team occurs before play restarts, the free kick to be taken either where the infringement occurs or 50 metres from the kick-off line, whichever is to the advantage of that team.


2020. Another Grand Final loss and yet another startling array of Geelong demanded rule alterations as follows:

1) A maximum of 75 total player interchanges per match
Rotations will decrease from 90 per match in 2020 to 75 per match in 2021. Each team will continue to be permitted four interchange players.


2) Player Standing The Mark
The defending Player will only be permitted minimal lateral movement on The Mark. If the defending player moves off The Mark in any direction prior to “Play On” being called, a 50-metre penalty will apply. The defensive team is unable to substitute the Player on The Mark.


3) Location of The Mark at Kick Ins
The Mark shall be set at 15 metres from the centre of the Kick-Off Line towards the centre of the ground at Kick Ins. This was previously set at 10 metres.



So Geelong demanded rule changes just that we know of after being runner-up = 29 rules. Remember they were Geelong’s rules to start with ffs.

Geelong Premierships the year after all these idiotic rule changes they whinged their way to after finishing runner-up = zero.

Just stop it Geelong.

Seeds you need to own your club’s rule meddling excuse making ways, not try to pretend it is not happening. 😁
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dean33

Brownlow Medallist
Oct 10, 2007
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Has to be 2017, the emotion of the sleeping giant of the competition finally awaking to claim the holy grail. Oh what a day.
 

Phipppppa

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If I’m going based off happiness for myself, 2009 takes the cake.

All round as a viewer, 2010 draw was pretty badass, 2018 and 2012 were also very good matches.

I would say 2005, but the game itself was scrappy, heaps of turnovers and a shit brand of footy. Constantly used by one moment (which is probably the best GF moment ever). Without the mark, the game would’ve been a close, scrappy game with no real stand out moments.
 

AeneasX

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2005/06 are underrated here. High scoring =/= entertaining, they were intense and hard fought with around 4-5 legit great players present. Easily better games than 2016/21 IMO.
 

kriles76

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2008.
It had the story (Geelong 21-1 against the plucky underdog noone rated all year)
It had memorable moments
- Hodge exposing his ribs
-croad breaking his foot but still putting in one final act
- mooney missing on half time
-one-legged fat man dew turning the game
-rioli 3-on-1 on the wing
-Williams and Dew 3-on-2
-the 21 rushed behinds (of which only 2 would have been punished)

No other grand final has all of that and more
You didn't mention Clinton Young's 123m goal from the half-back line that weathered the Geelong second quarter storm.
 

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kriles76

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Buddy was beaten by scarlett in the 2008 grand final. Had little influence.

and while 2008 was buddys best season with the hawks. Ablett was still better that season.
Yeah, nah.

Kicked pivotal goals in each of the third and final quarters.

Also was the last touch prior to the Williams goal in the second quarter; the Rioli goal streaming into a vacant goal square and the second of Dew's goals in that third quarter run - ragdolling a flailing Scarlett in the process.
 

GoldenMagpie16

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2011 is criminally underrated. The best three quarters of footy that you're ever likely to see, and suffers because of the blowout in the last. Varcoe's goal keeps that last quarter in the highlights package
Couldn't agree more. Travis Cloke 3 goals were kinda freakish aswell kicking them from approximately 55 - 60 meters out
 

Run n Spread

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1 2010. Hands down. Momentum swings drama and the finish. GOAT

2. 2009. Awesome high intensity game hard fought amoung 2 of the greatest sides. Even in the wet high skill.

3 2012. Read above but was dry and not as good

4 2018. Nervous mistakes but momentum swung and tension all the way through. Until the end.

5 06 read above not as good

6 05 not as good should've been a holding free against Swans at the end

7 The rest. While some good moments just standard sort of gfs
 

Blackhawk42

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2011 is criminally underrated. The best three quarters of footy that you're ever likely to see, and suffers because of the blowout in the last. Varcoe's goal keeps that last quarter in the highlights package

Two unlikeable teams who had won the last 2 flags prior to that game, so no fairytale narrative was present.

It's judged a bit harsher for those reasons.

When I say two unlikeable teams it's a matter of recent success/tall poppy syndrome. Not projecting a personal bias.

If the exact same game was played for that years flag between Carlton and Sydney for example (the two semi-final losers) it may be rated higher in peoples minds.
 

Seeds

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1 2010. Hands down. Momentum swings drama and the finish. GOAT

2. 2009. Awesome high intensity game hard fought amoung 2 of the greatest sides. Even in the wet high skill.

3 2012. Read above but was dry and not as good

4 2018. Nervous mistakes but momentum swung and tension all the way through. Until the end.

5 06 read above not as good

6 05 not as good should've been a holding free against Swans at the end

7 The rest. While some good moments just standard sort of gfs
2010 was a poor standard game in the firet half. Very sloppy skills and lacked intensity. Was much better second half but the first half removes it from the top handful.
 

Captain_Bender

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May 21, 2015
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Seeds that is just not correct now is it, not even nearly correct, you should be ashamed of yourself. 😂😂

Let me give you the full history of this, and these are just the bits I know for a fact……🧐🤓😎

1859 Geelong is formed and finishes runner-up in a two team competition playing under its own rules. This is key, it shows since the outset the club only wanted things on their terms rules-wise.

1860 After being trounced playing under its own rules the Cats cried foul and demanded their captain be allowed to make adjudications. Imagine how many flags the Cats would have won in recent years if Joel Cheatwood was able to umpire.

The club also demanded free kicks for tripping, hacking and holding be introduced when their regular simulations were found to be pointless as there was no rule banning the actions being simulated.

1889. Cats seething after b2b Grand Final losses. Demanded the following slew of seemingly pointless rule changes after the Cats had trouble defending centre kick offs. Geelong were also clearly paranoid about goal umpires inventing scores that never happened.

Player kicking off from centre required to cover a minimum forward distance of 18.2m.

Goal umpires required to inform field umpire of all scoring decisions.

Players unnecessarily delaying disposal from marks or kick-offs were deprived of possession and a ball-up resulted.



1953 During the season on their way to finishing runner-up the Cats whinged other teams were getting advantage from trainers delivering coaches messages to players so had this practice banned. Little good it did them.


1968 After the Tigers handed the Cats a humiliating defeat in the 67 decider Geelong moaned opponents were not returning the ball to them on a sliver platter when they were awarded a mark or free kick. So it was made an offence to not do so.


1990 After losing the Grand Final in 89 to a Hawthorn team who finished the match with about one fit player on the field, Geelong whinged that the compulsory kick(rather than choice of kick or handball) after being awarded a free kick had cost their wide running receivers the opportunity to have any impact on the Grand Final and so the compulsory kick for a free kick was dropped.

1995 After the Cats had lost 2 Grand Finals in 3 years they lobbied the AFL with typical whining fervour and secured the following raft of rule changes:

Revised system of adding time-on. Recorded when boundary or goal umpires signal, until the next act of play.

Tripping by hand becomes reportable. Penalty: Free & 50 metres.

Tripping by foot remains reportable. Additional penalty: Free & 50 metres.

Player must kick ball back into play following the scoring of a behind immediately after one warning from field umpire. Penalty for delay: Ball-up on centre of kick-off line.

Player kicking in after a behind is allowed to kick ball clear of hand and foot within the goal-square before playing on.


Little good it did, as they again lost the Grad Final in 1995. But true to form, they squealed their way to yet another staggering array of pointless rule changes for the 1996 season:
Any player receiving treatment from medical staff required to be removed from centre square prior to centre bounce.

Protected area around player taking set disposal from free or mark changed from 10-metre semi-circle to five-metre corridor on either side.

Amendment in the interpretation of the holding ball law. If player has had a prior opportunity to dispose, he must kick or handball immediately once tackled.

Deliberate tripping by hand incurred a free plus 50-metre penalty. The offence was no longer reportable.


2008. You guessed it, after another Grand Final loss the Cats sook their way to another encyclopaedia of rule changes:
Umpires empowered to recall an errant bounce at a stoppage and replace it with a throw-up.

Penalty for interchange rule violation became a free kick, plus a 50-metre penalty from wherever play is stopped.

A free kick paid against a player engaged in any form of misconduct.

The scoreline to be aligned with the back of the goalpost padding.

A player in possession of the ball, when the play is stopped for stretcher usage, to retain it when the game restarts.

If an umpire impedes a player when setting the mark for a shot at goal, play to be stopped and the mark to be re-set to avoid a disadvantage.

After the all-clear is given for a score and an infringement against the defending team occurs before play restarts, the free kick to be taken either where the infringement occurs or 50 metres from the kick-off line, whichever is to the advantage of that team.


2020. Another Grand Final loss and yet another startling array of Geelong demanded rule alterations as follows:

1) A maximum of 75 total player interchanges per match
Rotations will decrease from 90 per match in 2020 to 75 per match in 2021. Each team will continue to be permitted four interchange players.


2) Player Standing The Mark
The defending Player will only be permitted minimal lateral movement on The Mark. If the defending player moves off The Mark in any direction prior to “Play On” being called, a 50-metre penalty will apply. The defensive team is unable to substitute the Player on The Mark.


3) Location of The Mark at Kick Ins
The Mark shall be set at 15 metres from the centre of the Kick-Off Line towards the centre of the ground at Kick Ins. This was previously set at 10 metres.



So Geelong demanded rule changes just that we know of after being runner-up = 29 rules. Remember they were Geelong’s rules to start with ffs.

Geelong Premierships the year after all these idiotic rule changes they whinged their way to after finishing runner-up = zero.

Just stop it Geelong.

Seeds you need to own your club’s rule meddling excuse making ways, not try to pretend it is not happening. 😁
:eek: Wow so you mean they have over 100 years history of being handbaggers