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Get ready for the comebacks ;)

No it actually wasnt meant to be having a go at the bottom clubs. Its more to do with kids that strive to be the best get the honour of going to the worst performed clubs. Excellence is rewarded with mediocrity.
 

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Why dont you ask Revolt,Judd,Kosi what its like
:p :D

cheers!
No it actually wasnt meant to be having a go at the bottom clubs. Its more to do with kids that strive to be the best get the honour of going to the worst performed clubs. Excellence is rewarded with mediocrity.
 

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No it actually wasnt meant to be having a go at the bottom clubs. Its more to do with kids that strive to be the best get the honour of going to the worst performed clubs. Excellence is rewarded with mediocrity.
So what is the soultion Skipper?
 

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No idea. I just seems strange that excellence is rewarded with mediocrity
Well if the AFL wants an even comp. that is the only way to go about it, so i have no problem with it, if these kids are as good as they should be, they should be winning in a few years time anyway.
 

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Well if the AFL wants an even comp. that is the only way to go about it, so i have no problem with it, if these kids are as good as they should be, they should be winning in a few years time anyway.
Fair enough. It just seems odd to me that the best have to start at the worst, whereas the worst can start at the best.
 

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Its also a huge publicity benefit for the bottom placed clubs. Instead of concentrating on the doom and gloom of the previous season's performance, they can look to the future with hope and optimism.

It has probably prevented clubs like St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs, and even Melbourne, and now Hawthorn and Richmond, from going to the wall.
 

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maybe it should be a lottery to who gets what picks in the first round. And priority picks should be only be there if a team has won less than 8 over two years

Yes indeed, thats the fairer way. Of course only if two or more clubs are on the same win/loss ratio.
 

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It is pretty poor that a side like Richmond get these wonderful kids for finishing bottom of the ladder. BUt it evens up the comp, look at the Saints for example. They were a rabble not so long ago under timmy watson
 
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It is pretty poor that a side like Richmond get these wonderful kids for finishing bottom of the ladder. BUt it evens up the comp, look at the Saints for example. They were a rabble not so long ago under timmy watson
How is that so when with but a few exceptions the same clubs remain near the bottom or mid table consistently.

How many years has Richmond missed finals, had access to top 10 draft picks? (sorry not picking on Richmond, just the philosophy)
 
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Fair enough. It just seems odd to me that the best have to start at the worst, whereas the worst can start at the best.
Yeah it's really odd isn't it .The best kids in the land should be able to go to whatever club they want to ,which in most cases would be whoever they barracked for as a kid or whoever is offering the most money .That would be a much better system then all supporters ,you & i included could look forward each year to watching Collingwood,Essendon ,Carlton ,Adelaide & West Coast fight it out for the flag because within seven years they would be the only clubs still going.Yep! the draft sure is a ridiculous idea .
 

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Yeah it's really odd isn't it .The best kids in the land should be able to go to whatever club they want to ,which in most cases would be whoever they barracked for as a kid or whoever is offering the most money .That would be a much better system then all supporters ,you & i included could look forward each year to watching Collingwood,Essendon ,Carlton ,Adelaide & West Coast fight it out for the flag because within seven years they would be the only clubs still going.Yep! the draft sure is a ridiculous idea .

Pretty much sums it up. The draft is a good idea, and to say that the worst start at the best, there are some quality players around the pick 15-20 mark. Priority picks are not neccessary unless a team really, and i mean really, struggles ie maybe 2 wins in a season. Too many clubs are finishing on 5 wins now and it is dodgy.
 

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Too many clubs are finishing on 5 wins now and it is dodgy.
it is not dodgy at all, it is a fact in vfl/afl history that all teams struggle to win 6+ games a season, the avg is just under 2 teams a season in the last 25 odd years.
 

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No it actually wasnt meant to be having a go at the bottom clubs. Its more to do with kids that strive to be the best get the honour of going to the worst performed clubs. Excellence is rewarded with mediocrity.
The other way to think of it is that excellence is rewarded with the most opportunity. A kid drafted to Richmond will play very quickly and have every opportunity to claim a key role in the team, that in turn translates to bigger bucks.

In contrast the less excellent find their way to a club like Brisbane or Port where the chances of pushing into the first team, claiming a position as the first-choice midfielder and earning the big bucks are much less.
 

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One of the best ideas I heard was that each club should take a TAC cup club under it's wing, ie Geelong Falcons to Geelong, NSW/ACT to Sydney, Western Jets to Bulldogs, Murray to Essendon, Eastern to Hawthorn, Nothern to Collingwood etc etc
Obviously there are not enough clubs but anyway... it would make it even but it would stop kids from only agreeing to certain clubs like the old days. After that, you could draft to open slather for clubs to take the kids that the "owner" club of the TAC team don't want.
 

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No it actually wasnt meant to be having a go at the bottom clubs. Its more to do with kids that strive to be the best get the honour of going to the worst performed clubs. Excellence is rewarded with mediocrity.
I know what you mean but there is also a +ve for the high ranking draftees drafted to mediocre clubs.
Firstly they get to play sooner and more often. Look at Adam Cooney and the ground time he gets with the Western Bulldogs. Contrast it with Jarrod (spelling?) Brennan at Brisbane.
Secondly they will be able to ask for a bigger proportion of that club's salary cap when it comes time to re-sign than at a club where they are a smaller fish. I think of Matthew Pavlich here.
Thirdly if the club is half capable those excellent kids can be the ones to lead those clubs from mediocrity (the intent of our current draft system after all). If the Saints take the 2005 flag Riewoldt and co. will be heroes for a generation. That's not a bad thing to be.
Yes to go to a club that is bottom and stays bottom or thereabouts forever certainly sucks. But I don't believe that is happening.
 
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How awful is it that the best kids in the land get the privilege of being drafted to the worst performed clubs?
Coming from the Swannies that's pretty funny. Even with the extra $ they still can't win a premiership - especially with that list. Swannies refuse to bite the bullet and draft kids. Very short sighted outlook there and they'll always fall short. Great pick ups this year though - Spriggs? Wasn't even good enough for Geelong! A 2nd rate Ruckman from Melbourne? A good Coach with a pretty old list. Swannies will probably again make the eight but
Richmond and Hawthorn will win a flag before the Swannies do.
 

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The other way to think of it is that excellence is rewarded with the most opportunity. A kid drafted to Richmond will play very quickly and have every opportunity to claim a key role in the team, that in turn translates to bigger bucks.

In contrast the less excellent find their way to a club like Brisbane or Port where the chances of pushing into the first team, claiming a position as the first-choice midfielder and earning the big bucks are much less.
I agree. The only problem I see is the very high expectation of these young players with the bottom rung clubs.

Most of their supporters expect these young guns to fire up straight away. It usually takes time for these guys to develop into AFL stars.
 
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