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Lade's already in the team. Brogan was great, but Primus was much better. They had to create the centre circle rule just to curb his influence at centre bounces.
Ah so Lade is... missed him hiding away in the forward pocket there.

Yeah imagine how much better Primus would have been if they didn't change the rules to curb his influence!
 

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Seriously though, I thought Matthew Robran was stiff to miss, I'd also have had Chad Fletcher in too (probably only ahead of Selwood as the emergency though).

I won't comment on the old VFL teams as I'm too young to have seen any 80's footy.
 

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Wingard, Gray, Westhoff and Hartlett all upgraded to my best Port team after first 2 finals. Wines is already knocking on the door. Might wait for his ability to back it up for a couple of years.
 

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Hinkley for Bos I reckon.
I rated Hinkley as a player. Poised and very skilled defender.

But I remember Bos as the perfect, reliable 80's half back. For a full decade he was super consistent, and won 2 best and fairests before retiring at the height of his career.

Hinkley had 2 outstanding years in 91-92 and took a while to become a reliable player after starting as a forward.

I think Bos' career is a little unsung tbh.
 

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Updated to end 2016.

Doggies have obviously gained a couple of names in their team. A few such as little Libbba, Picken, Hunter, Dahlhaus, T Boyd etc will still require some years of consistency to make a best 22 since 1980 for the Doggies but I'm sure some more of their flag winning team will make it in eventually.
 

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Updated to end 2017

GC and GWS need a generational turnover before I include them.

Hurley enters Essendon's team having shown he still has elite ability despite a year out. Viney is making his name at Melbourne. Tom Lynch is worthy now at Adelaide with Matt Crouch not far away. Doherty makes Carlton's team, Zorko scrapes into Bris/Fitz team as does Shuey for WC.
 

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pretty happy with that Port line up

I dare say Howard, SPP and dixon may have a chance to earn a spot in time
I reckon Dixon is a monty to take Schultz's spot in the near future. SPP has some work ahead of him to break into the mid rotations and I'll have to take a closer look at Howard.

Thanks for the feedback.
 

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I didn't think that Vince would be in our best team since 1980, great player for us, but is more defined at the Crows
Funnily enough, that spot has had the most Melb players rotate through it since I did the original team. I've had A Johnson, Woewodin, Tingay, and Stretch in there from memory. I think I settled on Vince a while back when he was performing very well for you. Who do you think should be there instead? Maybe a place-holder until Oliver garners a bit more seasoning.
 

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Funnily enough, that spot has had the most Melb players rotate through it since I did the original team. I've had A Johnson, Woewodin, Tingay, and Stretch in there from memory. I think I settled on Vince a while back when he was performing very well for you. Who do you think should be there instead? Maybe a place-holder until Oliver garners a bit more seasoning.
I'd probably go with Stretch on the wing to be honest, I'd have Tingay ahead of Jack Viney and Jeff White ahead of Gawn as they still got careers to play out i guess. I'm kinda tempted to do a team myself now
 

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I’ve updated the OP for end of 2018.

Bolded players are new entries and I’ve extended my emerg quota to 4 for each team to reflect current team selection practices. Naturally West Coast have a few new entries and I’ve also added 3 new Tiges as the performances of players like Grimes and Edwards have now persuaded me to include them.
 

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I’ve updated the OP for end of 2018.

Bolded players are new entries and I’ve extended my emerg quota to 4 for each team to reflect current team selection practices. Naturally West Coast have a few new entries and I’ve also added 3 new Tiges as the performances of players like Grimes and Edwards have now persuaded me to include them.
I just found this Tread, was about to do all the hard work myself but found you did it for me. I cant fault it, well done. :thumbsu:
 

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Cheers. Do you go back to the 1980 era? I was going on vague memories with my selection from that premiership team and I remember Wiley and Rowling’s as being important second tier players in that team, hence their selection. My memories of Jess, Raines, Lee etc are far more vivid.
 

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In conjunction with the thread I created on the top 100 players I have seen since 1980, this is the best teams from that era.

It is purely based on their careers at that club. Selection was based on who I would play in my teams rather than best in a position. An example is Sewell selected in a back pocket for Hawthorn ahead of someone like Andy Collins. Sewell could play the BP role and has been a better player over his career. Players needed to be suited to the position I chose for them.

I have finished with a combined side for the era. This team is not filled by the order I rated the players but is instead based on balance and versatility when choosing from a squad of 100.

Anyhoo, I thought I'd put it out there. Those who have watched footy over the same period would know their teams better than me and I'd be interested to know how close my selections are to theirs.

Adelaide
Bickley(c) Rutten Hart
Laird Bock McLeod
Goodwin Ricciuto Sloane
Lynch Walker Dangerfield
Betts Modra D Jarman
Rehn Thompson McGuiness
Edwards Smart Jacobs Douglas
Emerg: McDermott Talia Burton M Crouch
(6 players in top 100)

Brisbane/Fitzroy
Johnson Michael Pert
C Scott Leppitsch Roos
Lappin Black Power
Conlan Brown Osborne
Akermanis Quinlan Lynch
Martin Voss(c) Wilson
White Merrett Ashcroft Zorko
Emerg: Rockliff McRae Bradshaw Beams
(9 players in top 100)

Carlton
Hunter Silvagni Ratten
Simpson Doull McKay
Bradley Williams Camporeale
Johnston Kernahan(c) Koutafides
Betts Fevola Bosustow
J Madden Judd Murphy
Cripps Ashman Fitzpatrick Gibbs
Emerg: Docherty Dean Scotland MacLure
(8 players in top 100)

Collingwood
T Shaw(c) Prestigiacomo Clement
H Shaw Reid Brown
Sidebottom Swan Millane
Beams T Cloke Didak
Daicos S Rocca A Rocca
Moore Buckley Pendlebury
P Williams M Williams McGuane Burns
Emerg: Thomas D Cloke Wright Grundy
(6 players in top 100)

Essendon
Thompson Fletcher Wanganeen
Harvey Hurley Wellman
Long J Watson Neagle
Mercuri Merrett T Daniher(c)
Bewick Lloyd Salmon
S Madden T Watson Hird
Vander Haar Lucas Baker
N Daniher
Emerg: O'Donnell J Johnson Misiti Heppell
(12 players in top 100)

Footscray
Hardie Lake Morris
Murphy(c) Grant R Smith
Hawkins West Bontempelli
Cooney Templeton B Johnson
N Brown Beasley Hall
Wynd Boyd Tony Liberatore
MacRae Darcy Griffen Giansiracusa
Emerg: Cross Johannisen Cameron Wood
(4 players in top 100)

Fremantle
Hayden Tarrant Parker
Mi Johnson McPharlin Ibbotson
Barlow Fyfe S Hill
Mayne Pavlich(c) Walters
Farmer Modra Ballantyne
Sandilands Mundy Neale
Bell Hasleby Crowley McManus
Emerg: Allan D Pearce Grover Duffield
(3 players in top 100)

Geelong
Enright Scarlett Milburn
Bos Taylor Corey
Dangerfield Couch Selwood
S Johnson Stoneham Bartel
Chapman Ablett Sr Brownless
Ottens G Hocking Ablett Jr
Ling(c) J Kelly Barnes Turner
Emerg: T Hawkins Bairstow Williams Mackie
(11 players in top 100)

Hawthorn
Ayres Langford Sewell
Hodge(c) Mew Tuck
Crawford S Mitchell Dipierdominico
Franklin Brereton Buckenara
Matthews Dunstall Rioli
Salmon D Jarman Platten
Burgoyne T Mitchell Knights Roughead
Emerg: Lewis Wallace Gunston Gibson
(16 players in top 100)

Melbourne
S Febey Frawley T McDonald
Bruce Neitz Yze
Flower T Viney Oliver
Lyon(c) Schwarz Green
Farmer Jakovich Robertson
Stynes Ge Healy N Jones
Davey J McDonald B Wilson Gawn
Emerg: Moore Woewodin J Viney Vince
(2 players in top 100)

Nth Melbourne
Dench Martyn Simpson
Archer Glendinning King
Greig Stevens Schwass
Blight Carey(c) Grant
Harvey Longmire McKernan
Dempsey Schimmelbusch J Krakouer
Blakey Petrie Bell Larkin
Emerg: Goldstein P Krakouer Allison Wells
(7 players in top 100)

Port Adelaide
Wilson Wakelin Cassisi
P Burgoyne C Cornes Pickett
S Burgoyne Wines Wanganeen
R Gray Tredrea Boak
Wingard Schultz Westhoff
Primus(c) K Cornes Francou
Hardwick Dew Lade
Bra Ebert
Emerg: Ryder J Carr Polec Kingsley
(5 players in top 100)

Richmond
Free Rance Grimes
Campbell Jess Deledio
Knights M Rioli G Raines
Bartlett Richardson Martin
Edwards Roach Riewoldt
Lee Cotchin(c) Weightman
Cloke J Bowden B Gale K Johnson
Emerg: Wiley Houli Rowlings Gaspar
(4 players in top 100)

St Kilda
Barker Frawley Burke
Goddard S Fisher A Jones
Dal Santo Hayes Montagna
Winmar Loewe Riewoldt(c)
Milne Lockett Gehrig
Everitt Harvey J Stevens
Ball Schneider Koschitzke A Thompson
Emerg: Armitage Gram Hudghton Grant
(6 players in top 100)

Sydney/Sth Melbourne
Barry Dunkley Kirk
Kennelly C Bolton Roos
Healy G Williams Goodes
O'Keefe Hall Parker
O'Loughlin Lockett Franklin
Round J Kennedy Kelly(c)
McVeigh Hannebery J Bolton P Williams
Emerg: B Mitchell Jack Cresswell Schwass
(9 players in top 100)

West Coast
Wirrpunda Glass McGovern
McKenna Jakovich Worsfold(c)
Pe Matera Kemp Mainwaring
Kerr Kennedy Heady
Ph Matera Sumich Lewis
Cox Judd Cousins
Shuey Naitanui Priddis Yeo
Emerg: Embley Hurn McIntosh Gaff
(7 players in top 100)

Best Combined Team since 1980
Wanganeen Scarlett Fletcher
McLeod G Jakovich Roos
Pe Matera Williams Voss
Hird Carey(c) Ablett Sr
Matthews Lockett Franklin
S Madden T Watson Ablett Jr
Buckley Salmon Judd Goodes

Emerg: Blight Quinlan Doull Dunstall

2nd XXII
Enright Silvagni Archer
Doull Glendinning Hodge
Flower S Mitchell Akermanis
Blight Kernahan N Riewoldt
Daicos Dunstall Quinlan
Cox R Harvey D Jarman
Brereton Bartlett Pavlich Ricciuto

Emerg: Black Lloyd Dangerfield Martin
I'd make quite a few changes to the Geelong side.

Geelong
Enright Scarlett Milburn
Bos Taylor Corey
Dangerfield Couch Selwood
S Johnson Stoneham Bartel
Chapman Ablett Sr Brownless
Ottens G Hocking Ablett Jr
Ling(c) J Kelly Barnes Turner
Emerg: T Hawkins Bairstow Williams Mackie

Joel Corey out, he's a midfielder, not a defender, replaced with Bernard Toohey. I could easily put Jack Hawkins in for Taylor too, or even Harley to make him captain. Harley was a very good footballer who was constantly derided on this site.

Centre line would be Michael Turner, Greg Williams, Gary Ablett Snr.

As good as Stoneham should have been, I'd have Mooney in front of him at CHF.

Tom Hawkins at FF. I'm not his biggest fan, but outside of Snr, he's pretty comfortably been Geelong's best ff in the time period. I think Snr was a better player further up the ground, notwithstanding his record after becoming a stay at home ff. Mark Jackson (absolute clown) kicked 115 in 31 games.

David Clarke Snr in the forward pocket. Terry Bright in the other, just over Ronnie Burns. Clarke's stats in 1980 (506 kicks, 151 marks, 75 handballs, 581 disposals, 46 goals, 38 behinds.)

Enright Scarlett Milburn
Bos Taylor Toohey
Turner Williams Ablett Snr
Johnson Mooney Chapman
T Bright T.Hawkins D.Clarke Snr
Ottens G.Hocking Ablett Jnr

Ling, Bartel, Barnes, Dangerfield

Emerg : Newman (played 1980, his final season), Ian Nankervis, Andrew Bews, Joel Selwood
 

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I'd make quite a few changes to the Geelong side.

Geelong
Enright Scarlett Milburn
Bos Taylor Corey
Dangerfield Couch Selwood
S Johnson Stoneham Bartel
Chapman Ablett Sr Brownless
Ottens G Hocking Ablett Jr
Ling(c) J Kelly Barnes Turner
Emerg: T Hawkins Bairstow Williams Mackie

Joel Corey out, he's a midfielder, not a defender, replaced with Bernard Toohey. I could easily put Jack Hawkins in for Taylor too, or even Harley to make him captain. Harley was a very good footballer who was constantly derided on this site.

Centre line would be Michael Turner, Greg Williams, Gary Ablett Snr.

As good as Stoneham should have been, I'd have Mooney in front of him at CHF.

Tom Hawkins at FF. I'm not his biggest fan, but outside of Snr, he's pretty comfortably been Geelong's best ff in the time period. I think Snr was a better player further up the ground, notwithstanding his record after becoming a stay at home ff. Mark Jackson (absolute clown) kicked 115 in 31 games.

David Clarke Snr in the forward pocket. Terry Bright in the other, just over Ronnie Burns. Clarke's stats in 1980 (506 kicks, 151 marks, 75 handballs, 581 disposals, 46 goals, 38 behinds.)

Enright Scarlett Milburn
Bos Taylor Toohey
Turner Williams Ablett Snr
Johnson Mooney Chapman
T Bright T.Hawkins D.Clarke Snr
Ottens G.Hocking Ablett Jnr

Ling, Bartel, Barnes, Dangerfield

Emerg : Newman (played 1980, his final season), Ian Nankervis, Andrew Bews, Joel Selwood
Great reply. I like a bit of variety of opinion.

Starting from your first player of difference, Corey. I really rated his career. As mentioned in my OP, if I believed a player (such as Sewell at the Hawks in a back pocket), was suited to a position and then I would consider him in that role. Toohey wasn’t the player that Corey was, and BOS could play the Toohey role while Corey plays a more creative role. James Kelly would also get a gig there ahead of Toohey for that reason.

I remember Stoneham being considered the best CHF in the comp at his peak, something Mooney could never lay claim to. And I couldn’t leave Billy out considering he managed two 80 goal seasons. I guess I just wasn’t taken by Mooney as a footballer.

Williams had only one elite season at the Cats which is why I went with Couch who had numerous. Clarke also had one season at the required level post 1980. Him, Nankervis, and especially Newman had very little impact on me from that time.

I liked Terry Bright. He was unfashionable but very talented and knew how to kick a goal but I’d have Bartel at HF ahead of him any day.
 

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Great reply. I like a bit of variety of opinion.

Starting from your first player of difference, Corey. I really rated his career. As mentioned in my OP, if I believed a player (such as Sewell at the Hawks in a back pocket), was suited to a position and then I would consider him in that role. Toohey wasn’t the player that Corey was, and BOS could play the Toohey role while Corey plays a more creative role. James Kelly would also get a gig there ahead of Toohey for that reason.

I remember Stoneham being considered the best CHF in the comp at his peak, something Mooney could never lay claim to. And I couldn’t leave Billy out considering he managed two 80 goal seasons. I guess I just wasn’t taken by Mooney as a footballer.

Williams had only one elite season at the Cats which is why I went with Couch who had numerous. Clarke also had one season at the required level post 1980. Him, Nankervis, and especially Newman had very little impact on me from that time.

I liked Terry Bright. He was unfashionable but very talented and knew how to kick a goal but I’d have Bartel at HF ahead of him any day.
Corey excellent player, big and tough, Cats had plenty of better midfielders than him though. Do you pick one of the best half dozen defenders to defend or the 15th best midfielder to defend. Toohey was plenty attacking enough and knew how to kick a goal.

Stoneham was considered maybe Carey's equal for a handful of games before he broke his leg. He was never near it again after that. Mooney kicked a lot of goals, gave a lot away, was clever and almost as good on his non-preferred. He also spent a season or two plugging holes, playing key defence and ruck.

Loved Billy, talented and a great bloke, I think Mooney was better because of his two sidedness.

Williams only had two seasons at Geelong. He polled 3 Brownlow votes in his first ever game of VFL/AFL, he played only 12 games in his first season due to injury, averaging 26 disposals a game, 2 years later he won a Brownlow averaging 28 disposals. He won the b&f and the league MVP in his 2nd. He was comfortably a better player than Couch and either the 2nd or 3rd best footballer I've seen at Geelong behind Snr.

Clarke, doesn't matter how many seasons in your criteria, his 1980 season as a mid/fwd was better than anyone else you'd put him up against at Geelong , very good mid and forward.

In 86 fewer games Terry Bright kicked 129 extra goals than Bartel. Jimmy gets a run off the bench to play mid or forward (just nowhere near the backline). Yes Jimmy could play forward quite well and was clutch as evidenced by each of his goals in the 2011 premiership but I think Bright and Clarke were more reliable goalkickers and Clarke in particular a better midfielder.

Nankervis transitioned from rover to defender for the twilight of his career and his numbers and game stacked up with just about anyone's at the time. Sam Newman, you didn't say how well they had to play, you just said 1980 and onwards. I've named them both emergencies anyway, do they really matter?
 

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Corey played from half back on occasion and did it quite well hence why I would select him there if I were coach of a squad of the best Cats I have seen. Toohey probably wouldn’t make a squad of 40 if I were to narrow it down. It’s all good though, I fully respect why you’d go that way. I really liked Toohey as a player.
 

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Corey played from half back on occasion and did it quite well hence why I would select him there if I were coach of a squad of the best Cats I have seen. Toohey probably wouldn’t make a squad of 40 if I were to narrow it down. It’s all good though, I fully respect why you’d go that way. I really liked Toohey as a player.
I mean, I could throw in Ray Card (a personal favourite), Mark Yeates, Ken Hinkley and Michael Mansfield into the field too.

Oops, forgot about Malarkey too. Scarlett doesn't have to be fb, he could play tall or short, just as long as he's there somewhere. Malarkey to fb and to take the kicking in duties. Milburn out to a flank and Corey / Toohey out.

Backline :

Enright Malarkey Scarlett
Bos Taylor Milburn
 
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Great reply. I like a bit of variety of opinion.

Starting from your first player of difference, Corey. I really rated his career. As mentioned in my OP, if I believed a player (such as Sewell at the Hawks in a back pocket), was suited to a position and then I would consider him in that role. Toohey wasn’t the player that Corey was, and BOS could play the Toohey role while Corey plays a more creative role. James Kelly would also get a gig there ahead of Toohey for that reason.

I remember Stoneham being considered the best CHF in the comp at his peak, something Mooney could never lay claim to. And I couldn’t leave Billy out considering he managed two 80 goal seasons. I guess I just wasn’t taken by Mooney as a footballer.

Williams had only one elite season at the Cats which is why I went with Couch who had numerous. Clarke also had one season at the required level post 1980. Him, Nankervis, and especially Newman had very little impact on me from that time.

I liked Terry Bright. He was unfashionable but very talented and knew how to kick a goal but I’d have Bartel at HF ahead of him any day.
Since you mention Sewell, I really reckon Gibson deserves his spot in the back pocket. Not only was Gibson an actual career ('specialist') back pocket rather than Sewell who could play there (but made a name elsewhere), I think the side is more balanced with another (i.e. 3rd) tall and most importantly, I think Gibson achieved more and was the better overall player anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Sewelly but Gibson won 2 best and fairests in premiership years and was an All Australian back pocket (unlucky to miss several other times as well). He remains the most dominant spoiling player we have seen, holding the records for most spoils in a career and in a season. He also was a great rebounder, averaging nearly 20 possessions going the other way at very high efficiency.

Sewell really needs to be considered for a spot in the midfield. However, given the likes of Lewis (4 premierships, B&F, AA, etc) and Wallace (2xB&F at Haw, 4xAA, 3xpremiership) can't make the side, I think Sewell (2xpremiership, 1B&F) also misses out.
 

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Since you mention Sewell, I really reckon Gibson deserves his spot in the back pocket. Not only was Gibson an actual career ('specialist') back pocket rather than Sewell who could play there (but made a name elsewhere), I think the side is more balanced with another (i.e. 3rd) tall and most importantly, I think Gibson achieved more and was the better overall player anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Sewelly but Gibson won 2 best and fairests in premiership years and was an All Australian back pocket (unlucky to miss several other times as well). He remains the most dominant spoiling player we have seen, holding the records for most spoils in a career and in a season. He also was a great rebounder, averaging nearly 20 possessions going the other way at very high efficiency.

Sewell really needs to be considered for a spot in the midfield. However, given the likes of Lewis (4 premierships, B&F, AA, etc) and Wallace (2xB&F at Haw, 4xAA, 3xpremiership) can't make the side, I think Sewell (2xpremiership, 1B&F) also misses out.
It’s a tough one with Gibson. I can assure you that his stats that you’ve listed didn’t go unnoticed and I fully understand the command he had for his role. But the position he’d need to take in that team would be Ayres’ role. I really ummed and ahhed over that decision but ultimately had a strong affinity to the stability, toughness, and big game performances that Ayres brought to such a great era (better than the threepeat era imo). For balance I have tried my best to have a small, defensively capable back pocket in each team. Sewell was my choice for that role ahead of Collins.
 
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